Suicide

[dark_ice]

Ok, Darkmage, if someone came into your house and murdered your whole family and left a sign saying.."Get over it"...would you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't think so..

[darkmage099]

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Ok, Darkmage, if someone came into your house and murdered your whole family and left a sign saying.."Get over it"...would you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't think so..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would grieve greatly. I would see a counselor. I would spend as much time as I can with my remaining relatives. Eventually, I would get over. It would take some time though. Would I commit suicide because an obstacle was presented to me? No. I don't flee at the first sign of danger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't think so..

 

 

 

Well, I guess you think wrong

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, how many suicide victims had this happen to them?

[Giordano]

 

Ok, Darkmage, if someone came into your house and murdered your whole family and left a sign saying.."Get over it"...would you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't think so..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would grieve greatly. I would see a counselor. I would spend as much time as I can with my remaining relatives. Eventually, I would get over. It would take some time though. Would I commit suicide because an obstacle was presented to me? No. I don't flee at the first sign of danger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't think so..

 

 

 

Well, I guess you think wrong

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, how many suicide victims had this happen to them?

 

 

 

Easier said than done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cept you could not sucide yourself. Perhaps you might. Perhaps you wont.

[darkmage099]

Quote correctly please? I can't really quote what you're saying without making it sound like you said it. Well...I can, but I don't want to sort it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. How would you know it's easier said than done? Have you done the "done"? Apparently not. This is using your logic of not having experienced it makes your comment inferior.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Well of course you don't know if I would or not. It hasn't happened yet. No one can really predict the future.

[Bmms]

that is never the option it make other ppls like worse by doing that my friend shot himself this summer and it makes everyone else life worse cause of it

 

 

 

hopefully soon i can get my tattoo so i will never forget my friend

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they say if you can delay ppl from killing there selfs for 5mins they wont do it again

 

 

 

sry for your loss

[Notorious_Ice]

Eek. That stinks. Sometimes I think suicide is a way out for the weak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats typical from someone who knows nothing about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone who commits suicide or thinks of it isnt particually weak, its just that the bad things in their life outweigh the things that make them happy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I put weights on your shoulders, and kept putting them on you would fall - no matter how much you want to keep standing, how determined you are, how willful you are or how strong you are. Once the weight outweighs your determination and strength you will fall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sometimes people who commit suicide have mental problems, its nothing to do with being weak.

[How2PK]

 

I don't think it's fair to say "the easy way out" who are we to judge.

 

 

 

We are society. Who is anyone to judge anything? Judgment rules the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I meant that as not anybody knows what's going on and it isn't really fair saying those things. But hey, go ahead. Just don't expect me to take your judgement very serious.

[BlueLancer]

Suicide is NOT a "cowardly" way out, it can occur to somebody who never even has had that kind of pain (has not lost a family member, etc.) Sorry, but it's very ignorant to say so. When you have more pain than you can cope with, you will possibly take your own life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must admit, sometimes it occurs to me that I think about it, "is life worth living? Should I blast myself? (quote of Tupac?)"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I make quite a bit of money. I'm not sad. I have a plenty of friends and entertainment and I bodybuild. But a long time ago, I realised all that is really meaningless to the world. The world would be just the same even if I didn't exist. Once I realised that pointlessness, it was depressing. I thought about how happy those people are that don't think too much about life and still believe there is some kind of mystic meaning to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I had kids or an active project to help people who can't stay alive for monetary reasons, that would be probably the best reason to stay alive, because your existence actually makes a direct impact on the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you know somebody who is suicidal, try talking to them. Don't be a judgemental fool, that can just strengthen their opinion. I've succesfully talked a person out of suicide (though, it was over a long period). You don't have to have anything special to say, listen to what they have to say. If they see somebody actually cares, they wont be so eager to act foolishly.

[Randomnameless]

I don't think it's fair to say "the easy way out" who are we to judge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judging people just makes things worse. Usually a judgment form one or more individual cause the suicide. You, or anyone for that matter, should not and can't truelly judge a person. You don't know there feelings. You might have lived though a similar situation but you weren't rasied the same, or basically can never be the same as someone else. IF you aren't the same than you can't truly know the person. You don't know the intense feeling, the anguish, the guilt, the pity, the self loathing.While you sit at you computer typing away passing judgments on a person, like your some god, of how they are weak, and how they never know their real life, or how they took the easy way out.I just think you are wrong.You can agree or disagree with me, that is our sisoty, but you can never know me.

[blue107]

suicide is a permanent solution to a temperorary problem

[zaquierming]

suicide is a permanent solution to a temperorary problem

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Their mind set tells them that it is not a temporary problem, and that there is nothing else they can do.

[darkmage099]

 

I don't think it's fair to say "the easy way out" who are we to judge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judging people just makes things worse. Usually a judgment form one or more individual cause the suicide. You, or anyone for that matter, should not and can't truelly judge a person. You don't know there feelings. You might have lived though a similar situation but you weren't rasied the same, or basically can never be the same as someone else. IF you aren't the same than you can't truly know the person. You don't know the intense feeling, the anguish, the guilt, the pity, the self loathing.While you sit at you computer typing away passing judgments on a person, like your some god, of how they are weak, and how they never know their real life, or how they took the easy way out.I just think you are wrong.You can agree or disagree with me, that is our sisoty, but you can never know me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You judged me!!! Ahh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't know the intense feeling, the anguish, the guilt, the pity, the self loathing. While you sit at your computer typing away passing judgments on a me, like your some god, how I am wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can judge who I want when I want how I want. Whatcha gunna do about it? Tell that to the critiques. Like I said, if no one could judge, opinions wouldn't matter.

[D3M0NX]

This isnt a suicide but its sad; Well i was walking to pick something up after school when i see 1 cop car, 1 mbulance, 1 undercover cop car, and one fire truck head straight for my school. when i get closer they are making kids leave the building right away. a couple of minutes later when all of the kids are freezing thereheads off, the paramedics come out with a girl on a stretcher. A couple of people were saying that a kid knocked the girl out with a blow to the chest. I hope the kid that punched her goes to jail and i hope that his family gets sued and loses all of there stuff. I also hop that the girl is alright. Plz, think about it when you go to sleep tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:3> D3M0NX

[blue107]

This isnt a suicide but its sad; Well i was walking to pick something up after school when i see 1 cop car, 1 mbulance, 1 undercover cop car, and one fire truck head straight for my school. when i get closer they are making kids leave the building right away. a couple of minutes later when all of the kids are freezing thereheads off, the paramedics come out with a girl on a stretcher. A couple of people were saying that a kid knocked the girl out with a blow to the chest. I hope the kid that punched her goes to jail and i hope that his family gets sued and loses all of there stuff. I also hop that the girl is alright. Plz, think about it when you go to sleep tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:3> D3M0NX

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what i think is sad is that you think a kids family should have to lose all of their posessions because of him, in my opinion anyone who sues past the cost of medical bills deserves to go to hell

[D3M0NX]

the family may lose there house if they do get sued. the girl looked like she was dead too. when they were pulling her out on the stretcher she was lookingstraight at me and her eyes were like this> :shock: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

She had on of those air bags on her face too.

[blushenka]

Plz, think about it when you go to sleep tonight.

Erm, why? :/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On topic: I think that there should be made a difference between suicide for emotional reasons (depression, helplessness, the subjective feeling that life is [cabbage]ty and you can't go on, etc) and 'rational suicide' - which basically means you have taken every factor into account and it added up that the most logical way out is suicide. If you don't admit the existance of such a possibility, then you lack imagination. For instance, euthanasia is a form of rational suicide, and it strikes me that in a so called 'civilised and enlightened' society as we're supposed to live in, it is against the law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the 'value' that we place on life seems to me a mindset, a characteristic of modern Western culture. The Dacians for instance rejoiced at funerals and lamented at births. For them suicide was a noble act, and when they were overcome by the Roman armies, this is exactly what they did. Not out of cowadice, but because they were faced with a choice: a proud death or an enslaved life.

[darkforaster]

 

 

Eek. That stinks. Sometimes I think suicide is a way out for the weak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not mine or your place to judge people who commit suicide. Let them rest in peace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think suicide is one of the saddest things on the world today. The thought of people dying of sadness really hurts me, its just one of those things that really gets to me deep down inside. I know a few people who tried to commit suicide and it really made me sad to think that those people I knew were hurting inside so much they wanted to die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's why I said 'I think'. I know some people have rough lives, but I think the sign of a strong person is someone who looks for support in those situations and not someone who thinks about ending their life because something happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that is usually what people do. they look for support, but when the support fails them THEN they commit suicide. But on a more serious note. Some people can be really affected by this psychological stuff. So try avoiding topics like this in the future. Otherwise the entire group of foums has people on crying saying " the world is pointless! My life is pointless" etc etc.

[Oy_the_Great]

 

Eek. That stinks. Sometimes I think suicide is a way out for the weak.

 

I have to say suicide is the cowards way out.

 

I honestly think that people that commit suicide are selfish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinions, you three clearly do not know the first thing about the mindset of someone who commits suicide. It is not just the feeling of wanting to be free, or of sadness, it is the feeling of being completely trapped and not being able to talk to anybody about your problems. Most suicides occur in men, and most ofthose in young men. This is because young men are the worst at communicating and discussing their problems. They bottle it up until they cannot cope. It is not a matter of being weak, or cowardly or selfish, it is a matter of sheer desperation, something which I doubt you, or many people have experienced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People used to be prosecuted if they tried to commit suicide and failed, because it was seen as a sin and something that the person ought to be made to pay for. Nowadays the human mind is understood better and physcologists have realised that these people need help, not punishing more. Can't you three take the same view?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed. Thank you.

 

 

 

Everyone that claims suicide is the coward's way out has obviously no idea what a depression is. As stated above, everyone's entitled to their opinion and I think the people who think suicide is weak are idiots. If I say American Football is a ridiculous sport although I've never ever played it myself, never watched a game of it in my whole life, wouldn't I be sounding like an idiot myself? If I say poor people or Africans are lazy because they don't have all the possessions I have, doesn't that make me sound like a moron?

 

 

 

It's the same with the lot of people that say such rubbish. Just because people who are not depressed and have no clue what it is would not even think of committing suicide does not mean depressed people that do think -and possibly do it too- about suicide are cowards. Depression is best compared to cancer, a disease that you really can't help being there and that's often lethal if it's not countered with something exterior. The only difference is that depression is on a minor scale; in the patterns of a brain instead of in the cells of some part of your body.

[darkmage099]

Depression ÃÆââââ¬Ã°Ãâà Weakness

 

 

 

Suicide = Weakness

 

 

 

Don't get them confused.

[lawrencekill]

Depression ÃÆââââ¬Ã°Ãâà Weakness

 

 

 

Suicide = Weakness

 

 

 

Don't get them confused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depression-->Suicide

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

x does not =z

 

 

 

y=z

 

 

 

x-->y

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm...

[lawrencekill]

 

This isnt a suicide but its sad; Well i was walking to pick something up after school when i see 1 cop car, 1 mbulance, 1 undercover cop car, and one fire truck head straight for my school. when i get closer they are making kids leave the building right away. a couple of minutes later when all of the kids are freezing thereheads off, the paramedics come out with a girl on a stretcher. A couple of people were saying that a kid knocked the girl out with a blow to the chest. I hope the kid that punched her goes to jail and i hope that his family gets sued and loses all of there stuff. I also hop that the girl is alright. Plz, think about it when you go to sleep tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:3> D3M0NX

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what i think is sad is that you think a kids family should have to lose all of their posessions because of him, in my opinion anyone who sues past the cost of medical bills deserves to [bleep]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why not? I mean it was a "girl". And it is the family's fault. And that "girl" deserves everything in the world because someone hit her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's just bs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are acting on emotion and I agree that sueing past the medical bills really shows what an arse you are (unless you're talking about permenant brain damage or organ damage).

[blue107]

 

 

This isnt a suicide but its sad; Well i was walking to pick something up after school when i see 1 cop car, 1 mbulance, 1 undercover cop car, and one fire truck head straight for my school. when i get closer they are making kids leave the building right away. a couple of minutes later when all of the kids are freezing thereheads off, the paramedics come out with a girl on a stretcher. A couple of people were saying that a kid knocked the girl out with a blow to the chest. I hope the kid that punched her goes to jail and i hope that his family gets sued and loses all of there stuff. I also hop that the girl is alright. Plz, think about it when you go to sleep tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:3> D3M0NX

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what i think is sad is that you think a kids family should have to lose all of their posessions because of him, in my opinion anyone who sues past the cost of medical bills deserves to [bleep]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why not? I mean it was a "girl". And it is the family's fault. And that "girl" deserves everything in the world because someone hit her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That pretty much sums up your entire personality, im not even going to bother with you

[How2PK]

 

I don't think it's fair to say "the easy way out" who are we to judge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judging people just makes things worse. Usually a judgment form one or more individual cause the suicide. You, or anyone for that matter, should not and can't truelly judge a person. You don't know there feelings. You might have lived though a similar situation but you weren't rasied the same, or basically can never be the same as someone else. IF you aren't the same than you can't truly know the person. You don't know the intense feeling, the anguish, the guilt, the pity, the self loathing.While you sit at you computer typing away passing judgments on a person, like your some god, of how they are weak, and how they never know their real life, or how they took the easy way out.I just think you are wrong.You can agree or disagree with me, that is our sisoty, but you can never know me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

huh, what?

[____]

 

Depression ÃÆââââ¬Ã°Ãâà Weakness

 

 

 

Suicide = Weakness

 

 

 

Don't get them confused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depression-->Suicide

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

x does not =z

 

 

 

y=z

 

 

 

x-->y

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm...

 

 

 

What darkmage said is that depression does not always result in suicide.

 

 

 

What your logic said is that all depression results in suicide - which is BS.

[mad4u689]

I believe that life is something so absolutely vital that only you should have the final control over it. You should be able to decide whether to live or die. If someone is feeling so sad, feels that life is so unbearable that they would just like to be taken out of their misery, I believe they should have the right to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that hospitals should allow people to commit doctor-assisted suicide. There should be a 30-day wait from when you submit the paperwork, to make sure it is not a rash decision. The doctor-assisted suicide would be easier and more painless, and by being regulated, would result in organ donation to people who needed it.