Suicide

[lawrencekill]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depression ÃÆââââ¬Ã°Ãâà Weakness

 

 

 

Suicide = Weakness

 

 

 

Don't get them confused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depression-->Suicide

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

x does not =z

 

 

 

y=z

 

 

 

x-->y

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm...

 

 

 

What darkmage said is that depression does not always result in suicide.

 

 

 

What your logic said is that all depression results in suicide - which is BS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depression sometimes leads to suicide. Just put in that correction. Because almost everyone is depressed one time or another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can't really say depression is weakness unless you understand what a person is going through. I'd love to see you experience what people with suicidal mindsets do, only then can you judge them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said depression is a weakness. Your logic was the one that was screwed up.

 

 

 

You're talking about thinking of and commiting suicide as an act of weakness correct?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, if you think about it, depression for a person with a suicide mindset is a weakness because they are thinking about commiting suicide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how do you know the family is also like him... maybe his family doesent derserve what he gets example

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

your saying this like all serial killers have serial killer family?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if i eat cereal does that make me a "cereal" killer :-$

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uhh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shorten the quote, I don't know which part you're talking about.

[darkmage099]

 

 

 

You're talking about thinking of and commiting suicide as an act of weakness correct?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, if you think about it, depression for a person with a suicide mindset is a weakness because they are thinking about commiting suicide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No just acting.

[yonman14]

Suicide, for the most part, isn't about being weak. Along with depression, it's mainly an effect of certain parts of the brain being underdeveloped (I believe the frontal cortex, which deals with consequences of decision making). In many ways it isn't even the person's fault that they commit suicide, as they often let other people know. Do what you can to help those suffering through depression if they let you know what's going on, and if they don't, make sure you don't abuse your friends...who knows what could happen?

[FuBai]

Ignore this post (not this thread...just my post - I was going to say something but changed my mind)

[Suox]

That made be cry. This happened to someone who goes to a school near me. I don't know who it was, but i was crying my eyes out :cry:

[jin_sakura226]

The two gurls weren't that close but the second gurl killed herself because the sister said something that she shouldn't have. The second gurl was just a freshmen and did not know any better :( . Oh yeah the first gurl was not dead till the parent decided to end her life because she lost so much oxygen in her body she went into a coma. The docters said that if she ever does come back she would be brain dead and it was the parent decision to end her life. I think that a depressed state person was only thinking about how miserable they were and had all the good memories outta their brain at the moment which lead to bad conclusion. If there was someone there at the moment to stop them, they would realized that it was not the solution.

 

 

 

P.S. I thought about suicide too but only for the mysteries after death never gonna do that though cuz i wanna live life to the fullness :P

[l0rd]

The wisest thing to do is wait, and hope for better times, even if they don't come in the near future.......they will come.

[mad4u689]

The wisest thing to do is wait, and hope for better times, even if they don't come in the near future.......they will come.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's naive. Maybe for some people, they just won't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not your place (or any third party's place) to decide when a person should live and should not live.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If someone is "impaired" by depression (though I would argue that the DSM definitions of depression and dysthymia that lead them to be categorized as illnesses are flawed, but that's another topic for another day), then they should get psychological help (consisting of therapy and possibly medication) for some time to see how it goes. If it isn't helping them after "some [undisclosed period of] time", they should have the right to kill themselves.

[slade8]

Who would hang themselves? Knife across the throat is a far faster death... of course, pills or a jump work too. Who'd like to walk into the living room and see a dead body hanging from a rope? "Oh, honey, our daughter hanged herself in the living room, clean it up it smells!"

 

 

 

:shock: I dont think so

[Zonorhc]

Who would hang themselves? Knife across the throat is a far faster death... of course, pills or a jump work too. Who'd like to walk into the living room and see a dead body hanging from a rope? "Oh, honey, our daughter hanged herself in the living room, clean it up it smells!"

 

 

 

:shock: I dont think so

 

 

 

Across the throat won't kill you half as well as straight into the jugular.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, you'd think people would at least know what they're talking about when killing is involved instead of just going by what they see in movies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And hanging is done because it's easy. All you have to do is tie a decent slipknot and let gravity do the rest. You won't have nearly as much trouble as forcing yourself to jump off a high place or holding a blade to yourself. It's very hard, even for people who are suicidal, to do anything more with a knife than just slit their wrists, and even then, they have a good chance of surviving. Hanging is one of those things that's easy to do, and once started, you can't have second thoughts.

[knives669]

Well, a kid in our town committed suicide a few days ago. I didn't know him, but a lot of the kids at my school were very upset today. I don't know what was wrong with him or anything... but, it's just sad that he felt that was the only way to deal with whatever he was going through. May he rest in peace.

[mad4u689]

Who would hang themselves? Knife across the throat is a far faster death... of course, pills or a jump work too. Who'd like to walk into the living room and see a dead body hanging from a rope? "Oh, honey, our daughter hanged herself in the living room, clean it up it smells!"

 

 

 

:shock: I dont think so

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, a knife across the throat has a pretty low success rate, just because it's very difficult to cut that deeply (both in terms of willpower and just physically). A jump will probably work if it's >10 stories, but if it's lower than six, you have a very high chance of sustaining tremendous injury (you'll probably wind up in a wheelchair) and also not dying. This is, most likely, even worse than whatever life you're currently living. And pills is the most misunderstood. If you take Tylenol or the equivalent (which a lot of idiots do), it'll take two weeks to actually kill you, with painful liver failure ultimately causing death. Aspirin will take less time, but individuals vary so much in their tolerance that it is a highly unreliable method. (Take too much, and you'll just throw it up; take too little, and you don't die.) Shooting yourself requires obtaining a gun, which can often be difficult, depending on where you live. Hanging is actually much quicker (you will die of asphyxiation in about 8 minutes), totally painless after you initially lose consciousness (which is pretty fast), fairly reliable, and pretty much everyone has a belt or rope or something similar lying around. Hanging, for most people, is by far the best way to go. (I'm talking asphyxiation, not traditional gallows kind of thing)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Mods, if you think this post is inappropriate and shouldn't be here, I would understand if you deleted it.)

[FuBai]

ignore this post as well :S. I keep changing my mind about saying something.

[Bludragon124]

i don't think suicide is right... a girl that i and my entire family knows very well from church was going through a deep depression, and twice tried to kill herself by overdosing on drugs. she decided that her life wasn't worth it, and that she would rather be in heaven for the rest of eternity. and although you may be dead, you would cause your friends and family so much grief, it would not even be worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

she got some antidepressants, and we had a sort of intervention, and she is much better now. she is now 21, married, and has a 3 month old child. i have to say she pulled through it quite admirably.

[darkmage099]

 

Who would hang themselves? Knife across the throat is a far faster death... of course, pills or a jump work too. Who'd like to walk into the living room and see a dead body hanging from a rope? "Oh, honey, our daughter hanged herself in the living room, clean it up it smells!"

 

 

 

:shock: I dont think so

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, a knife across the throat has a pretty low success rate, just because it's very difficult to cut that deeply (both in terms of willpower and just physically). A jump will probably work if it's >10 stories, but if it's lower than six, you have a very high chance of sustaining tremendous injury (you'll probably wind up in a wheelchair) and also not dying. This is, most likely, even worse than whatever life you're currently living. And pills is the most misunderstood. If you take Tylenol or the equivalent (which a lot of idiots do), it'll take two weeks to actually kill you, with painful liver failure ultimately causing death. Aspirin will take less time, but individuals vary so much in their tolerance that it is a highly unreliable method. (Take too much, and you'll just throw it up; take too little, and you don't die.) Shooting yourself requires obtaining a gun, which can often be difficult, depending on where you live. Hanging is actually much quicker (you will die of asphyxiation in about 8 minutes), totally painless after you initially lose consciousness (which is pretty fast), fairly reliable, and pretty much everyone has a belt or rope or something similar lying around. Hanging, for most people, is by far the best way to go. (I'm talking asphyxiation, not traditional gallows kind of thing)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Mods, if you think this post is inappropriate and shouldn't be here, I would understand if you deleted it.)

 

 

 

For some odd and twisted reason, I find that hilarious. I know it's not a laughing matter but.....rofl.....

[runemetsa]

Actually, the idea of hanging isn't that you would die of asphyxiation, but that your neck breaks when you jump. Or at least I would hang myself so high that I wouldn't have to choke to death, just die quite quickly.

[mad4u689]

Actually, the idea of hanging isn't that you would die of asphyxiation, but that your neck breaks when you jump. Or at least I would hang myself so high that I wouldn't have to choke to death, just die quite quickly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's very difficult to hang yourself so that your neck breaks when you jump. While it is true this is the classic version of "hanging," in practice, almost no one commits suicide this way. When people refer to committing suicide by hanging, they are almost always talking about asphyxiation.

[lawrencekill]

i don't think suicide is right... a girl that i and my entire family knows very well from church was going through a deep depression, and twice tried to kill herself by overdosing on drugs. she decided that her life wasn't worth it, and that she would rather be in heaven for the rest of eternity. and although you may be dead, you would cause your friends and family so much grief, it would not even be worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

she got some antidepressants, and we had a sort of intervention, and she is much better now. she is now 21, married, and has a 3 month old child. i have to say she pulled through it quite admirably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought commiting suicide was a sin and a one-way ticket to hell.

[FuBai]

 

i don't think suicide is right... a girl that i and my entire family knows very well from church was going through a deep depression, and twice tried to kill herself by overdosing on drugs. she decided that her life wasn't worth it, and that she would rather be in heaven for the rest of eternity. and although you may be dead, you would cause your friends and family so much grief, it would not even be worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

she got some antidepressants, and we had a sort of intervention, and she is much better now. she is now 21, married, and has a 3 month old child. i have to say she pulled through it quite admirably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought commiting suicide was a sin and a one-way ticket to hell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you beleive in that. Although when you are feeling close to suicide, Dante's Divine Comedy 2 will pull back the beleiver. The whole goal of suicide is to escape existance. If we eternal exist in an afterlife it would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

[lawrencekill]

 

 

i don't think suicide is right... a girl that i and my entire family knows very well from church was going through a deep depression, and twice tried to kill herself by overdosing on drugs. she decided that her life wasn't worth it, and that she would rather be in heaven for the rest of eternity. and although you may be dead, you would cause your friends and family so much grief, it would not even be worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

she got some antidepressants, and we had a sort of intervention, and she is much better now. she is now 21, married, and has a 3 month old child. i have to say she pulled through it quite admirably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought commiting suicide was a sin and a one-way ticket to hell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you beleive in that. Although when you are feeling close to suicide, Dante's Divine Comedy 2 will pull back the beleiver. The whole goal of suicide is to escape existance. If we eternal exist in an afterlife it would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really? I thought it was emotional pain. Once you're in heaven the pain is gone, replaced by bliss or something. Then you work shifts to sing besides God, being St. Peter's assistant, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was kidding on last sentence.

[FuBai]

 

 

 

i don't think suicide is right... a girl that i and my entire family knows very well from church was going through a deep depression, and twice tried to kill herself by overdosing on drugs. she decided that her life wasn't worth it, and that she would rather be in heaven for the rest of eternity. and although you may be dead, you would cause your friends and family so much grief, it would not even be worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

she got some antidepressants, and we had a sort of intervention, and she is much better now. she is now 21, married, and has a 3 month old child. i have to say she pulled through it quite admirably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought commiting suicide was a sin and a one-way ticket to hell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you beleive in that. Although when you are feeling close to suicide, Dante's Divine Comedy 2 will pull back the beleiver. The whole goal of suicide is to escape existance. If we eternal exist in an afterlife it would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really? I thought it was emotional pain. Once you're in heaven the pain is gone, replaced by bliss or something. Then you work shifts to sing besides God, being St. Peter's assistant, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was kidding on last sentence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suicide is a sin for most religions. So you wouldn't get there - see Dante's Inferno - the wood of suicides etc. is about the 3rd circle of hell. For other peopleit might be that they want to go and play the harp or something, but I know that from my point of view it is to end existance in black oblivion, which can often be a desireable concept.

[warri0r45]

I still think it's a way out for the weak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

do you know what empathy is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i agree, suicide is never the answer, but youd be amazed how many people think it because how cruel we are to ourselves. its a sick, sad world and thats probably the saddest part of all. its almost like others cruelty and emotional abuse 'murdurs' those who commit suicide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

being sad becuase someone else makes you is meaningless and i hate feeling that way and the people that make me feel that way. been through alot of [cabbage], but ive never thought of suicide myself.

[Anesthesia]

 

I still think it's a way out for the weak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

do you know what empathy is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can turn that around though - do the people committing suicide have empathy for their families and friends who will be devastated?

[FuBai]

Again ignore this post.

[fakeitormakeit]

Almost everytime when suicide is commited it is because of something emotionally or mentally bothering the person, example: lost love, being depended on, too much pressure to do well, feeling unimportant etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a result of wanting to kill themselves, sometimes the sucidal people first kill their love-ones so they won't feel the blow of losing someone dear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats why if you know someone who has suicidal thoughts you need to help them out. One of the things out teacher made us do in 8th grade was (like this guy in a movie who decided to commit suicide but was later shown it would be a bad world without him) write a letter to ourselves and when ever we felt bad we'd take out the letter and read about what the world would be like without us.