baccon Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Question: Do you believe in god? Short answer, yes. I believe another being created us, the world, etc. Now, what's conflicting is, that there are thousands of different religions, with different ideas, all thinking they are right. They all have there own type of god, and there own history, background, etc. Who is to say which is right and which is wrong. So when it comes to weither or not I believe that there is a god then yes I do. But out of those thousands of gods in the world, which one created us, I don't have the slightest clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstroyer Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 yes i do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GOD187 Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 you dont need proof for something to be real. but, proof is miracles, look at an old tree, thats a miracle. your a miracle. and read the bible, oldest piece of HISTORY ever. knowing without proof is called Faith. go get some. it can be found at your local church for the cost of $0.00 Miracles? They are merely an occurance of which we can not explain. An old tree is a miracle? No it is not, it's merely something that occurs in nature, just because it has had plently of light, nutrients and room, a tree could lives longer then you would thing. Ok, as for the bible being the oldest peice of history... I must dissagree, while christians might say it is, others would not, yes some of the cities were found, yet if we went merely by that we could say the Odessey by Homer is a peice of historical writings, which it is not. One more thing on the lighter side, it's not free to go to chruch... takes me atleast 30 miles to reach the nearest chruch, which would take aprrox. 1.2 gallons of gas, at the current rate of $1.84.9 per gallon thats roughly $2.22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Plus they always want a little something for the collection plate :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fireyflame Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 a little bit yes, cuz how could we be here? A little bit no, why does he keep screwing me over? And giving people who dont deserve it second chances. Stupid niceness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogact Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 frogact: You do realise the Paluxy River tracks were hoxes? Even most Creationists reject them. Study showed some were counterfeit carvings, others showed to be dino prints that weren't fully exposed. Your evidence for that is? jfroggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambochae Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Paluxy River * (np) [FAQ] 1. The site near Glen Rose, Texas, of the "Paluxy River Mantracks", or "Creationist (sic) Piltdown". SciCre-ists from the CSRC and ICR, among others, long contended that certain trackways in the Paluxy River riverbed contained coeval man and dinosaur tracks. Upon close inspection, the putative human tracks were found to belong to a bipedal three-toed dinosaur. Amazingly enough, the ICR organ (not at all vestigial(1)) "Acts and Facts" announced that the Paluxy River trackways should no longer be considered evidence for SciCre. Various ICR fellow-travelers have been slow on the uptake, though, and one occasionally finds a "newbie" who posts the irrefutable truth about Paluxy River. Conclusions. Although genuine dinosaur tracks are abundant in Texas, claims of human tracks have not withstood close scientific scrutiny, and in recent years have been largely abandoned even by most creationists. Alleged Paluxy "man tracks" involve a variety of spurious phenomena, including erosional features, metatarsal dinosaur tracks, indistinct markings of unknown origin, and a few loose carvings. There's lots of info out there if you google. It looks like there was a type of dinosaur which made a footprint similar to a humans. The 'human' tracks also appear to have a 6 foot stride. Can you stride 6 feet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 frogact: You do realise the Paluxy River tracks were hoxes? Even most Creationists reject them. Study showed some were counterfeit carvings, others showed to be dino prints that weren't fully exposed. Your evidence for that is? From http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html The Taylor Site. This was the Paluxy site most often claimed to contain human tracks, beginning with Stanley Taylor's research and film in the late 1960's and early 1970's,[4] and continuing with other claims throughout the 1970's and 1980's[5]. However, the most thorough analyses indicate that the alleged human tracks here are elongate, metatarsal dinosaur tracks--made by dinosaurs that, at least at times, impressed their soles and heels as they walked.[6] When the digit marks of such tracks (which are common in the Paluxy Riverbed) are subdued by one or more factors (erosion, sediment infilling, or mud-collapse), they often resemble giant human prints. Most of the tracks on the Taylor Site are largely infilled with a secondary sediment which hardened into the original track depressions. When the tracksite surface is well cleaned, at least some tracks in each trail show shallow tridactyl (three-toed) digit impressions indicating dinosaurian origin, as as well as color and texture distinctions corresponding to the infilled material and further confirming the dinosaurian nature of the tracks.[7] Recent claims that some of these tracks have human prints within them have been shown to be as baseless as the original claims.[8] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hosan Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 This topic just became a huge flame war with christians arguing against athiests. No matter what evidence we poist to disprove god they ppl who belive it just wont listen. its a dead topic. lets just leave it behind on the old scape. There is also a great deal of proof that God does indeed exist. There was these tapes I had watched before that proved without a doubt to me that God exists. Also how come there is things like chriot wheels found all in the red sea? The oldest tree is around 4k years (the flood was rougly 4k years ago). Also, the oldest dessert is rougly 4k years old. Also do you know the chance of something like the big bang making such a complex universe, such complex beings. The greatest scientist of all time (einstein) said that the more he learned about the world the more he believed in a higher power. But ya I do belive that this topic needs to be locked. It is highly unlikely that this will become anything more then a huge flamewar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hosan Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Paluxy River * (np) [FAQ] 1. The site near Glen Rose, Texas, of the "Paluxy River Mantracks", or "Creationist (sic) Piltdown". SciCre-ists from the CSRC and ICR, among others, long contended that certain trackways in the Paluxy River riverbed contained coeval man and dinosaur tracks. Upon close inspection, the putative human tracks were found to belong to a bipedal three-toed dinosaur. Amazingly enough, the ICR organ (not at all vestigial(1)) "Acts and Facts" announced that the Paluxy River trackways should no longer be considered evidence for SciCre. Various ICR fellow-travelers have been slow on the uptake, though, and one occasionally finds a "newbie" who posts the irrefutable truth about Paluxy River. Conclusions. Although genuine dinosaur tracks are abundant in Texas, claims of human tracks have not withstood close scientific scrutiny, and in recent years have been largely abandoned even by most creationists. Alleged Paluxy "man tracks" involve a variety of spurious phenomena, including erosional features, metatarsal dinosaur tracks, indistinct markings of unknown origin, and a few loose carvings. There's lots of info out there if you google. It looks like there was a type of dinosaur which made a footprint similar to a humans. The 'human' tracks also appear to have a 6 foot stride. Can you stride 6 feet? It says in the bible that their were quote "Giant in those days". Well I have a pretty good feeling a giant could have a 6 foot stride. Also if your wondering why there would be giants here is the answer. God had created a firmament (it was destroyed in the flood) of water the surrounded the earth. Well, that would block out alot of the harmful radition and other things that hender larger growth. It also makes the oxygen more pressurized (probably around 2 times as pressurized). Well with 2 times as thick an atmosphere of oxygen you could easily run for miles no problem. You would grow much higher. You would heal much faster (there is much evidence for this. there was a little girl who got trapped in a small well and when she was finally rescued they tryed putting her in a hyperberic chamber and very shortly she was MUCH better). Also they ate much better. All they ate was fruit and the seeds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 It says in the bible that their were quote "Giant in those days". Well I have a pretty good feeling a giant could have a 6 foot stride. What does this have to do with fake foot prints? I don't think you've read all of the refutal. The 6 foot stride wasn't all that made them fake. Also if your wondering why there would be giants here is the answer. God had created a firmament (it was destroyed in the flood) of water the surrounded the earth. Well, that would block out alot of the harmful radition and other things that hender larger growth. It also makes the oxygen more pressurized (probably around 2 times as pressurized). Well with 2 times as thick an atmosphere of oxygen you could easily run for miles no problem. You would grow much higher. So everyone was giants back then? Water vapor is heavy, if the biblical flood did occur the atmospheric pressure would've crushed humans before they even drowned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambochae Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Oh so we were giants in those days, I see. I expect all their bones shrunk back to, coincidentally, our size once they were buried? It's mildly amusing that religion has to come up with such absurd excuses as soon as science throws up an inconvenient obstacle. Called 'evidence'. It's also rather ironic that these excuses are far more implausible than the scientific theories they are trying to discredit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Oh so we were giants in those days, I see. I expect all their bones shrunk back to, coincidentally, our size once they were buried? It's mildly amusing that religion has to come up with such absurd excuses as soon as science throws up an inconvenient obstacle. Called 'evidence'. It's also rather ironic that these excuses are far more implausible than the scientific theories they are trying to discredit. Who knows but the human skull used to be larger ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GOD187 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 I am not an athestist, nor am I christian, muslim, or any other organized religion. I have my own beliefs, yes I do believe there is a higher being, although its nature is unknown to me. Also, it's not merely just Christian v aethists. jewish people also do believe in god. Sorry I had to point out the obvious. I like to argue with people on this topic, merely cause most of them are too thick headed to considor other ideas, or formulate their own. Untill one is open to new ideas and makes their own conclusions after gathering all or most of the facts, can one truly have a commited argument. Also do you know the chance of something like the big bang making such a complex universe, such complex beings. The same as the chances that a higher being exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabu Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 you dont need proof for something to be real. but, proof is miracles, look at an old tree, thats a miracle. your a miracle. and read the bible, oldest piece of HISTORY ever. knowing without proof is called Faith. go get some. it can be found at your local church for the cost of $0.00 actualy the torah (jewish bible (old testiment)) is much older then the bible. Judisum is the oldest religion that still exisits today as far as i know. Muslim, christan, all of those things spawned from judisim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 you dont need proof for something to be real. but, proof is miracles, look at an old tree, thats a miracle. your a miracle. and read the bible, oldest piece of HISTORY ever. knowing without proof is called Faith. go get some. it can be found at your local church for the cost of $0.00 actualy the torah (jewish bible (old testiment)) is much older then the bible. Judisum is the oldest religion that still exisits today as far as i know. Muslim, christan, all of those things spawned from judisim. The Torah is included in the Christian Bible. Christianity is the fulfillment of the Jewish religion and prophecy. Islam actually did not spwn from Judaism. It was actually based on Arabic paganism. Mohammed took the head deity of their religion, eliminated the other deities, and modified the beliefs with his own (he also incorporated some Judeo-Christian values). I'll try to find an article about it if you would like. GOD187, would you mind sharing some of your beliefs with us? I enjoy speaking to people of different religions. "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsie Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 People, using the bible will hardly prove god to be real. I mean come on I could use cave paintings and say we were taller than wolly mammoths... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhrobinson2 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 i do believe but i dont believe in the old testament... i believe the reason there are no signs is well... think if u were a rock star wouldnt u wanna meet people who didnt know u were at first so u could see if they liked you for you or your fame? also.... i dont think either side has real proof either way we may think u can prove the old testament wrong but... its ''do you believe in god?'' not ''is the bible true?'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Divine__Pure Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 yes i do. big question is what will happen to me when i die? like where will all my memorys go?.. will it just be black space? can't be cause u have no brain to tell what u are looking at, or what colour it is? is there an afterlife? about how life was created... does it really matter?. we are alive now, i don't really cares about the pass, im always looking forward not backward. not sure, think the bible's main point is to teach people to love one, to be good and no bad... (also has a lot about believing god) some people say that if u don't belive in jesus or god u will go to hell.. i think that a loving god will not send some1 to hell for not believing in jesus, if so he really isn't loving? we all have our own views, these are just mine.. don't flame me too hard :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 123abc Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 i think God is real... i cant explain why i just know he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007007008plp Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 I do not believe in g0[) i think its all rubbish. EDIT I worship zamorak....does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthlover Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Ya well, it seems that this forum topic is all about peoples opinions. Big Deal! The thing is if God, an omnipotent, all powerful being is real, He should be able to prove his own existence. Maybe He has, and most of us are just too dumb too even see it! Duh! Of course, if He doesn't exist, then what does it matter anyway...we can just get along with our boring lives with our boring jobs, get sick and die, and nothing will ever change...unless aliens come and take over the world! Can't wait for that to happen...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjordan Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 yes i do cause how could everything just appear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertgamer Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I believe in Jesus and I'm unsure about God. what? that's a huge contradiction there my friend. yes i do believe, and people say that no matter what scientific facts they show that all people do is ignore them. well i look at those scientific 'facts' and come up with my conclusion. and right now i'm pretty content with myself. yes i do. big question is what will happen to me when i die? like where will all my memorys go?.. will it just be black space? can't be cause u have no brain to tell what u are looking at, or what colour it is? is there an afterlife? about how life was created... does it really matter?. we are alive now, i don't really cares about the pass, im always looking forward not backward. not sure, think the bible's main point is to teach people to love one, to be good and no bad... (also has a lot about believing god) some people say that if u don't belive in jesus or god u will go to hell.. i think that a loving god will not send some1 to hell for not believing in jesus, if so he really isn't loving? we all have our own views, these are just mine.. don't flame me too hard :( if you do not believe in him, the favour is hard to be returned. Jesus is God, which is why he came to the earth for people to believe. and that's why we call him our savior and redeemer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertgamer Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Oh so we were giants in those days, I see. I expect all their bones shrunk back to, coincidentally, our size once they were buried? It's mildly amusing that religion has to come up with such absurd excuses as soon as science throws up an inconvenient obstacle. Called 'evidence'. It's also rather ironic that these excuses are far more implausible than the scientific theories they are trying to discredit. ok ok let me clear up who the giants were for you guys. in the early days of earth there were some angels who grew attracted to women, and came to earth. they then had children with the women, but these children being the children of angels became huge, strong, tall and powerful. becoming like ogres i guess. if i remember correctly, they were one of the reasons for the great flood. excuse the double post but i would like to close with this: Do NOT judge a book by it's cover. If you are so intent on believing their is no God, that the bible is wrong and you have no clue why people believe in it, READ IT. I'm Christian, but I want to read the Qu'ran (or something) to see what's in it, as I'm told it's a lot like the Old Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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