_ssgotenks_ Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I don't really no what to believe in..... cause somedays i believe that you know there has to be a greater power then somedays i simple change my mind and look to reincarnation or maybe when you die its just like when you sleep or somthing......i mostly think god is a resort or a comfort for people who are afraid of death....but i just know that im a good person and if there is a god then i shall not be forsaken at the gates of heaven, or so i hope............ good answer. But, truthfully...i could care less if there IS a god, or not...if im doomed to an eternity of fiery torment...its already set in stone...premarital s...thats gonna be censored...umm...lieing, cheating...mostly just in school...when i still went... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthlover Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 "There is no need to prove what has never been proven." I forget who said that. I think it was Winston Churchill or something. Anyways, it is a line with much truth in it. There has been no evidence to prove an existence of any bieng of superior stature. Here's something for all the christians to think about. You go to school and study history, correct? (Most of you do) You read about civilizations long past that have contributed greatly to society today: The Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. etc. Whenever you read about their religions you think those people as beneath you, not knowing of your god. You think that had they seen yours they would have switched quickly because yours is far superior, and the only real god. Not true. Each of these civilizations forced the same spell on their citizens to help cope with everyday life, as well as things they could not explain. Each religion, from the Egyptians to the Romans was eventually discarded for the main part, and a new religion born. My question is this: What makes you so sure that in a few hundred years Christianity won't be discarded for a new, better "paying" religion? Any of you who take time to think about that will realize that Christianity is nothing more than another step in the ladder of the greatest hoax of all time, and I doubt we have even reached the top yet. I leave this with another one-liner I thought up myself. "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance"-Zim Yah, now who's being arrogant lol. You sir are a fool. There is no arrogance in what I said. I respect other's religion and was simply expressing my views. If you are Christian, I have the utmost respect for you because I believe it is easier to live life as a christian than an atheist. Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) torture cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame". And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :) Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks. With a Historical view, Samuel Okay, Samuel (Good to see another intelligent person comment :) ) My views on your statements: S:Why didn't Christianity burn out at it's birth?When it was a crime to believe? Z: Why? Because every religion since the dawn of time was once thought wrong and was opposed. When the Greek/Roman Gods were first concieved it was thought rediculous by every other faith that was already in full force at the time. The only religion ever to not be persecuted was the very first religion (which no one can be sure what it is, most likely prehistoric). My point is this: Every religion was once persecuted. Maybe it was not recorded, or as widespread as Christian\Jewish persecution, but it was once opposed. Every religion only made it through those persecutions because it could be conveyed to the people that the religion would survive because the God\Gods willed it so. Now, in the (IMHO) the last quarter of Christianity's reign the struggle in the past is used to maintain faith in the future times. You get what I'm saying? Christianity survived after Jesus's death (IF Jesus is real, this can be disputed as well) because 'Jesus' was obviously a very wise, and witty man. Conveying orders through his disciples long after his death. Very clever if the story told is true. As for your 'Nero' comment. Yes, Christians suffered under Nero.... Hell, Romans suffered under Nero. Nero was a bad leader. Period. Just as the Jews suffered though Hitler. One bad leader tarnishes everything. As for my one-liner: I'm simply saying that for the most part. People are merely hoping for thier religion to pull through (with confidence/arrogance to other religions). Sorry if I'm rambling too much tonight, I'm super-tired. -Zim.[/b] You call me a fool for expressing my view? Yah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Good-Evil Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 Yes i do and who I respect people who dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimlem Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 You call me a fool for expressing my view? Yah! I call you a fool for calling me arrogant with no reason to. Now you have no reason to call me arrogant, and are doing nothing but saying meaningless crap. Please shut up. :D Unless you have something to say that has relevance to the topic, shut up. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 You call me a fool for expressing my view? Yah! I call you a fool for calling me arrogant with no reason to. Now you have no reason to call me arrogant, and are doing nothing but saying meaningless crap. Please shut up. :D Unless you have something to say that has relevance to the topic, shut up. :D Using the ':D' in front of and behind the term 'shut up' does not make it any less harmful. Oh, and Unless you have something to say that has relevance to the topic, don't post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 It would be nice if people would stop ruining this debate by resorting to cowardly tactics like telling the other side to shut up, I'd hate to see whomevers resort is 'Shut up' in a real debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arsenal901 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 i do not believe in god GOD I only worship Siddhartha Gautama, enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arsenal901 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 This subject is ridiculous, different ppl believe in different things. take this topic off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsie Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 This subject is ridiculous, different ppl believe in different things. take this topic off I think the shu up debate comes in handy here, people are here to say yes or no to whether they beleive in god then talk about it (debate) if you have a problem you can go away and don't read the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybud1 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 no i cant say i do believe in god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimlem Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 You call me a fool for expressing my view? Yah! I call you a fool for calling me arrogant with no reason to. Now you have no reason to call me arrogant, and are doing nothing but saying meaningless crap. Please shut up. :D Unless you have something to say that has relevance to the topic, shut up. :D Using the ':D' in front of and behind the term 'shut up' does not make it any less harmful. Oh, and Unless you have something to say that has relevance to the topic, don't post. It was not intended to make it any less harmful. It's mainly a habit, and expressing the fact that I'm not mad. This is a debate. Period. Do not quote me on staying on topic. I would have been on topic had that kid not made such accusations with no cause. Not to mention you srtayed off topic butting into something that was not your business. DONE SPAMMING.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyro Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Enough with the "Shut up", "no, you shup ut!" etc... Topic: No, I don't believe in God. If I did believe in the existance of the Christian God I would still not worship him, because his ethical views are in my mind messed up. I don't have the time to follow the debate though so I think I'll stay out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Enough with the "Shut up", "no, you shup ut!" etc... Topic: No, I don't believe in God. If I did believe in the existance of the Christian God I would still not worship him, because his ethical views are in my mind messed up. I don't have the time to follow the debate though so I think I'll stay out of it. Would you please elaborate on that? "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertgamer Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Enough with the "Shut up", "no, you shup ut!" etc... Topic: No, I don't believe in God. If I did believe in the existance of the Christian God I would still not worship him, because his ethical views are in my mind messed up. I don't have the time to follow the debate though so I think I'll stay out of it. Would you please elaborate on that? i don't really understand it either. maybe pyro was reading the Mosiac ( i think) law or something and didn't understand what was written. but i doubt that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatguy Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 I do not believe in God. Personally nothing has ever happened for me to make me believe in a God or any spiritual beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Enough with the "Shut up", "no, you shup ut!" etc... Topic: No, I don't believe in God. If I did believe in the existance of the Christian God I would still not worship him, because his ethical views are in my mind messed up. I don't have the time to follow the debate though so I think I'll stay out of it. Would you please elaborate on that? i don't really understand it either. maybe pyro was reading the Mosiac ( i think) law or something and didn't understand what was written. but i doubt that's the case. Maybe... there's alot of stuff subject to ethical reflection (laws like "do not plant more than one crop in your field; if you or someone you know does, they are subject to death" are ridiculous because they can't possibly apply to our culture - this is why some people misinterpret the Bible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_ice Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 well im a christian who is grounded in his faith.....im not gonna debate (argue) why i am becuase nobody accepts what christians say....they just argue back....it really does make me sad though...to see all the ppl who are lost...just to think about what would happen if they died tonight...spend an eternity in hell....but thats them....im goin to heaven yeayea...woohoo :D just warnin everybody but the end times draw nearer everyday.....hope your ready for the reality that will face you when it comes....for some it will be a day of joy and celebration...others will be throw into a world full of complete and utter chaos...the lord says if you ask you shall recieve seek and it will be found knock and he shall answer......accept him into your heart and you will spend eternity in paradise with him.....be ready..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kedai Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 you my friend are talkin bout the great tribulation and rapture. ill explain jesus comes to earth again, actually, into the clouds, he doesnt actually touch earth. if u see jesus on earth on ground that is the devil trying to trick u. the tribulation is practicly this. devil points a fire gun at u. he asks are u a christian and love god? if u say yes, you getc torture for a few days or somethin then rewarded for your faith by eternal in heaven. say no cuz your scared of pain, u live for that time but then cast into lake of fire for eternity. tribulation means all ppl try to kill the christians practicly. after all the good ppl r in heaven, satan will rule the earth for 2000 years with his followers, then him and his followers with be destroyed. then heaven will come to earth for eternity. there is no tears, pain, or suffering in heaven. proof of tribulation, end of times, coming soon: bible says this time will come during great technical advances (in past 100 years weve made cars, planes, computers, robots, we can do anything, even go into space). #2 time of great disasters and wars. well lots of wars goin on in past 100 years, 2 world wars, dozens of others, and disasters, California is expecting the "big one" the earthquake like in the mini series "10.5". and great prosecution of christians (not sure about this one, if its prophecied or not) but look at today, every1 who isnt christian, well lots, hate them and argue always. the end of times is near. repent your sins! tell God, our Lord you love him and want to be with him forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Kedai - In other words pipe dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Enough with the "Shut up", "no, you shup ut!" etc... Topic: No, I don't believe in God. If I did believe in the existance of the Christian God I would still not worship him, because his ethical views are in my mind messed up. I don't have the time to follow the debate though so I think I'll stay out of it. Would you please elaborate on that? i don't really understand it either. maybe pyro was reading the Mosiac ( i think) law or something and didn't understand what was written. but i doubt that's the case. Maybe... there's alot of stuff subject to ethical reflection (laws like "do not plant more than one crop in your field; if you or someone you know does, they are subject to death" are ridiculous because they can't possibly apply to our culture - this is why some people misinterpret the Bible) It doesn't need to apply to our culture, but the fact is the bible has God doing some blood thirsty things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I don't believe in God. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 JohnnySmum, to answer you question on like page 8, people are more fasinated with where they came from because they CAN find out, where you're going NOONE has any idea, at all. That kind of fits in my theory with Time Travel...You could NEVER go forward in time, because it hasn't happened yet, but if time travel WERE possible, you COULD go back. I feel time travel cannot happen though, if it could, someone from the future would have came back by now, yes yes? :P But since the future has not happened yet, even if it were possible, there is noone to come back because the future hasn't happened yet. Back to religion...I will never join an orginized religion. If I were forced to pick one, I would never be a Christian though because their version of God sucks, really. :lol: They just use scare tactics such as Hell (which doesn't exsist, by the way...No God that loved his people would torture them for ETERNITY just for not accepting him.) According to Christian faith, you pretty much have to be a Baptised Virgin who has commited no Sins in order to get into Heaven. I think that's BS. I feel that if there is a God, he'd accept us if we accepted him (but if we don't accept him, he's not going to BURN US FOREVER) and if we do not commit suicide, or take anothers life (life being the most precious thing you could have) he would let you into Heaven. Christians really make me mad with their whole "Believe what I believe, or you're going to Hell" stuff. That's pretty much how they are, although they'd disagree because they try to cover up their BS, lol. As for that whole Revelation stuff and whatnot...If it were to ever come, Atheist's wouldn't be Athiest's anymore, now WOULD THEY? If you, as an Athiest, were staring face to face with Lucifer and he asked "Do you believe in God?" you'd darn well better bet that "Athiest" is going to say "I sure as f*ck do!! :shock:" So really, Athiest's do not exsist. If you were shown ABSOLUTE PROOF that God exsisted, you'd have to believe. So really, all non-believers are Agnostic, not Athiest's. This would mean that noone would go to "Hell" if you ask me. Who in the world can say "I don't believe in God" when they are face to face with Lucifer himself? I sure couldn't. The proof would be rihgt there, in your face. And I have my doubts as of now anyways. Do I believe in God? Sure. Do I believe in science? Yep, and it's probably more interesting. However, if you read about the war in Heaven and whatnot, that's some interesting stuff right there. :P I always liked the stories involving the fall of the Angel's and whatnot...Other than that, you couldn't get me to read a Bible, and I never have. I'm bored of typing. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 According to Christian faith, you pretty much have to be a Baptised Virgin who has commited no Sins in order to get into Heaven. I think that's BS You sir, have little or no knowledge of the Christian faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greatonehyatt Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 God only loves americans he lets everyone else die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 According to Christian faith, you pretty much have to be a Baptised Virgin who has commited no Sins in order to get into Heaven. I think that's BS You sir, have little or no knowledge of the Christian faith. Right. Incest is a sin, yet we're all related according to the Bible. So you can't have intercourse apparently. We're born into origanol sin, thus we need to be baptised or whatever. Pretty sure that covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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