Do you believe in God?

[Usara]

If you dislike coffee that is an opinion. But if you say that because of the inhumane tactics used by coffee making company completely undermining what coffee is about, then going on to describe the failings of that company in relation to the aims it has set itself then that is a FACT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I proved that the use of god has primarily to furtuer the interests of certain people or humans as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didnt say that the USE of god is nothing but the aformentioned, I only mentioned the reason why he was invented in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I flame those who believe in god because the notion is so absurd to me, how else would I convey my distain at the intelligence of Thesists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who said I wanted facts and not opinions? If I wanted facts then asking random people on the internet is balantly contradictory. Facts are truth, opinion is neither fact nor truth. If one cannot derive amusement from others opinions then one has lead a very shealtered life.

[dusqi]

 

 

 

I flame those who believe in god because the notion is so absurd to me, how else would I convey my distain at the intelligence of Thesists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You could say that you find belief in a higher power ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever you say, I'd like you to stop slyly insulting people for their beliefs.

[Usara]

 

 

 

 

I flame those who believe in god because the notion is so absurd to me, how else would I convey my distain at the intelligence of Thesists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You could say that you find belief in a higher power ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever you say, I'd like you to stop slyly insulting people for their beliefs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aww, you know I cant refuse you with that loveable sea...OH CRAP, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!

[JohnnySmum]

If you dislike coffee that is an opinion. But if you say that because of the inhumane tactics used by coffee making company completely undermining what coffee is about, then going on to describe the failings of that company in relation to the aims it has set itself then that is a FACT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could you rephrase this please? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I proved that the use of god has primarily to furtuer the interests of certain people or humans as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only basis for this claim is if you are referring to certain individuals who scapegoated Christianity for their own means (eg. Hitler). On closer inspection, most of these people were actually atheists. When Christianity is truly followed, it has the opposite effect to that which you suggest: if people are obedient to God rather than to each other, they cannot be exploited. It is the fact that most people aren't Christian that we see widespread governmental exploitation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I flame those who believe in god because the notion is so absurd to me, how else would I convey my distain at the intelligence of Thesists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DisDain doesn't help anyone, it just impedes reasonable though. The same goes for flaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who said I wanted facts and not opinions? If I wanted facts then asking random people on the internet is balantly contradictory. Facts are truth, opinion is neither fact nor truth. If one cannot derive amusement from others opinions then one has lead a very shealtered life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't confuse facts with truth. Hmm time for bed now, I'll edit in the conclusion tomorrow.

[Usara]

 

If you dislike coffee that is an opinion. But if you say that because of the inhumane tactics used by coffee making company completely undermining what coffee is about, then going on to describe the failings of that company in relation to the aims it has set itself then that is a FACT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could you rephrase this please? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I proved that the use of god has primarily to furtuer the interests of certain people or humans as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only basis for this claim is if you are referring to certain individuals who scapegoated Christianity for their own means (eg. Hitler). On closer inspection, most of these people were actually atheists. When Christianity is truly followed, it has the opposite effect to that which you suggest: if people are obedient to God rather than to each other, they cannot be exploited. It is the fact that most people aren't Christian that we see widespread governmental exploitation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I flame those who believe in god because the notion is so absurd to me, how else would I convey my distain at the intelligence of Thesists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DisDain doesn't help anyone, it just impedes reasonable though. The same goes for flaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who said I wanted facts and not opinions? If I wanted facts then asking random people on the internet is balantly contradictory. Facts are truth, opinion is neither fact nor truth. If one cannot derive amusement from others opinions then one has lead a very shealtered life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't confuse facts with truth. Hmm time for bed now, I'll edit in the conclusion tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coffee is produced by a coffee company? Right? So, my argument is against the coffee company but not the coffee itself. (Some aspects of christianity are GOOD, but it was made with BAD intentions, power, superiority, ect.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Certain individuals who where athiests? People who gain superiority through religion is refering to bishops, preists and the pope. Hitler didnt use god to gain power, but bishops, preists and popes did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When people are truely christians then they follow the bible, the bible in relation to humans being superior than animals is pathetic and shows the true thoughts of the people who invented religion, to 'confim' that humans are the most superior beings on the planet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People, dont get so worked up over my opinion on how I perceive thesis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fact P Pronunciation Key (fkt)

 

 

 

n.

 

 

 

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

 

 

 

Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.

 

 

 

A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.

 

 

 

Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fact is believing something to be the truth, made with knowledge or infromation based on a real occourrence and has been demonstrated to exsist.

[ruthlover]

Hmmm, been reading all this, and there is a lot of truth in what everyone is saying. This kind of discussion has been going on down through the ages...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let's see - if u ask a Christian do they believe in God, of course they'll say yes. Ask them if they believe there is the other bloke, the devil, and some are unsure.

[Romeoteddybear]

no I don't believe in God. But I believe that I am G.O.D :twisted:

[insane]

If you dislike coffee that is an opinion. But if you say that because of the inhumane tactics used by coffee making company completely undermining what coffee is about, then going on to describe the failings of that company in relation to the aims it has set itself then that is a FACT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but it is a fact based on an unrepresentative sample - taking the worst parts of something and applying it to the whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Some people use religion for evil, therefore all of religion is evil".

[Usara]

No, its using the aims of the sample to what it is attempting to achieve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Religion was designed as mans way to asserting his dominance over 'lesser' creatures and to better control a large amount of people, despite this there are some part of religion which are good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Religion is designed to be used for 'evil', despite this, there are parts of it which are good"

[Zimlem]

"There is no need to prove what has never been proven."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forget who said that. I think it was Winston Churchill or something. Anyways, it is a line with much truth in it. There has been no evidence to prove an existence of any bieng of superior stature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's something for all the christians to think about. You go to school and study history, correct? (Most of you do) You read about civilizations long past that have contributed greatly to society today: The Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. etc. Whenever you read about their religions you think those people as beneath you, not knowing of your god. You think that had they seen yours they would have switched quickly because yours is far superior, and the only real god. Not true. Each of these civilizations forced the same spell on their citizens to help cope with everyday life, as well as things they could not explain. Each religion, from the Egyptians to the Romans was eventually discarded for the main part, and a new religion born.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is this: What makes you so sure that in a few hundred years Christianity won't be discarded for a new, better "paying" religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any of you who take time to think about that will realize that Christianity is nothing more than another step in the ladder of the greatest hoax of all time, and I doubt we have even reached the top yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I leave this with another one-liner I thought up myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance"-Zim

[Gienek]

Well since I got to church every sunday, I do belive in God. I belive in him so much that some things might sound silly that he did and just obsene. So therefore I would like to belive in him, but it comes to the point where god is not everything. Anyways....I do, but at the same time I do not. :?:

[ruthlover]

"There is no need to prove what has never been proven."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forget who said that. I think it was Winston Churchill or something. Anyways, it is a line with much truth in it. There has been no evidence to prove an existence of any bieng of superior stature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's something for all the christians to think about. You go to school and study history, correct? (Most of you do) You read about civilizations long past that have contributed greatly to society today: The Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. etc. Whenever you read about their religions you think those people as beneath you, not knowing of your god. You think that had they seen yours they would have switched quickly because yours is far superior, and the only real god. Not true. Each of these civilizations forced the same spell on their citizens to help cope with everyday life, as well as things they could not explain. Each religion, from the Egyptians to the Romans was eventually discarded for the main part, and a new religion born.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is this: What makes you so sure that in a few hundred years Christianity won't be discarded for a new, better "paying" religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any of you who take time to think about that will realize that Christianity is nothing more than another step in the ladder of the greatest hoax of all time, and I doubt we have even reached the top yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I leave this with another one-liner I thought up myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance"-Zim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yah, now who's being arrogant lol.

[keiran]

Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) torture cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a Historical view,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Samuel

[HugATree]

 

 

 

 

 

if you do not believe in him, the favour is hard to be returned. Jesus is God, which is why he came to the earth for people to believe. and that's why we call him our savior and redeemer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Correction, Your God, not everyone believes in your god. Jesus's death was hardly a sacrifice for an Omnipotent being, a sacrifice is to lose something, what did God/Jesus lose that he couldn't replace?

 

 

 

correction, THE God. He is God, and you can't change my mind nah nah nah nah nah nah.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

man some of you people need to read the new testament to get a better understanding of this and to properly address your arguments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And thats exactly where he exists, in your mind.

[HugATree]

 

 

 

 

 

That's a complex question - a logical fallacy.

 

 

 

"or just the blood sacrifice God so enjoys?"

 

 

 

is the same as me asking

 

 

 

"when are you going to realise how wrong you are?"

 

 

 

Both assume something to be true in the question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For years people had to offer animals of sacrifice to take away their sin. These animals were not perfect things, so they needed to be sacrificed each time. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, he spent time in hell for dying for us. I have to go to work now else I would write more...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know about God and his sacrifices, I find it ironic that he gets people into an endless cycle of animal killing but then stops it dead by doing the sacrificing himself. All those years surely had a purpose?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the sacrifices under the Mosaic Law were to illustrate how man can't be right with God by his works. The Law shows us that we need a Saviour. It's not ironic that God would show us that we need something before giving it to us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who did he illustrate it to? The Jews still rejected Jesus. Its ironic that God would use deception to prove a point, afterall he did have them believe that works could help them.

[Usara]

Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) torture cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a Historical view,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Samuel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity didnt die out because of the bible, you know, those 66 or so book of religious proproganda which serves to convince thouse who want a nice god to watch their backs and make them feel better than others. Christians where fed to the lions? Well, cant blame them, the lions dont have a soul according to christians :P .

[Astralinre]

 

Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a Historical view,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Samuel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity didnt die out because of the bible, you know, those 66 or so book of religious proproganda which serves to convince thouse who want a nice god to watch their backs and make them feel better than others. Christians where fed to the lions? Well, cant blame them, the lions dont have a soul according to christians :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you answer a single point he made? No. All you did was write something filled with underlying mockery and disdain. Stop posting if you're not going to contribute to the debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good job, keiran. Just to kind of simlify your point: If Christianity was invented by men, it should have failed long ago. BUT, if it is from God, then it will survive and thrive, which it has.

[HugATree]

 

 

Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a Historical view,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Samuel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity didnt die out because of the bible, you know, those 66 or so book of religious proproganda which serves to convince thouse who want a nice god to watch their backs and make them feel better than others. Christians where fed to the lions? Well, cant blame them, the lions dont have a soul according to christians :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you answer a single point he made? No. All you did was write something filled with underlying mockery and disdain. Stop posting if you're not going to contribute to the debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good job, keiran. Just to kind of simlify your point: If Christianity was invented by men, it should have failed long ago. BUT, if it is from God, then it will survive and thrive, which it has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Followers of Gnostic Christianity were burnt and tortured by early Christians as they viewed them as heretics and their beliefs as blasphemous, using your logic since this religion still exists it wasn't created by man either?

[keiran]

Ok so Usara's point was that because Christianity didn't die out was because of the Bible. Who was stopping the Bible from being destroyed?

 

 

 

Jerusalem was sacked and destroyed, so there goes the Old Testament. The Disciples were imprisoned, stoned, persecuted, crucified, and still people held on to the letters that Paul wrote. Why? Because they wanted to feel good about being able to have an answer to the scientific questions in life? Somehow, the authors of the Gospels accuaretly wrote an account after Jesus's death,ressurection, and asscension. Just a few men could've been found in those days under the Caesar's rule. And I'm just throwing in this next question out here in this thread so here goes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you explain Paul's drastic conversion (if you will) in his life. Paul was a guy who persecuted Christians when he was known as Saul. Saul persecuted and imprisoned his own people because he zealoutly believed that it was blasphemy against God to preach Jesus as his Son and believing that Jesus was the Messiah. But Saul suddenly converted to Christianity and could defend the Christian Doctrine with sound proofs that are found in his letters. (most of the New Testament)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, if anyone could seriously explain how a person could change from one drastic end of the spectrum of religion to the other without mentioning a supernatural being taking role in his huge change, I would like to hear it.

 

 

 

Thanks. And in no way shape or form am I sarcastic in this post, everything I've said is with sincerity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sam.

[Demeige]

sheesh, this topic is still alive??? *murders topic and drains it of all its blood*

[Usara]

 

 

Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a Historical view,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Samuel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity didnt die out because of the bible, you know, those 66 or so book of religious proproganda which serves to convince thouse who want a nice god to watch their backs and make them feel better than others. Christians where fed to the lions? Well, cant blame them, the lions dont have a soul according to christians :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you answer a single point he made? No. All you did was write something filled with underlying mockery and disdain. Stop posting if you're not going to contribute to the debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good job, keiran. Just to kind of simlify your point: If Christianity was invented by men, it should have failed long ago. BUT, if it is from God, then it will survive and thrive, which it has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did make a point, religion didnt die out because it has a fundamental backing, namely the bible. Since I contributed to the debate, I should keep posting by your logic, thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, divine intervention would have stopped christians from being procecuted wouldnt it? Or maybe its a test of faith? depends what you want to believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bible was destroyed, many many times, people hid it from the people who where percecuting...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One does not have to doubt the beliefs of others to percecute them. His story could be made up too, maybe he had doubted his own actions for a long time and wanted to try and say it was divine intervention and he has reformed. Why should I believe what another person writes, how can you attest that the entire bible is non-fictionous when you do not know the state of mind of the authors or their intentions?

[Zimlem]

 

"There is no need to prove what has never been proven."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forget who said that. I think it was Winston Churchill or something. Anyways, it is a line with much truth in it. There has been no evidence to prove an existence of any bieng of superior stature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's something for all the christians to think about. You go to school and study history, correct? (Most of you do) You read about civilizations long past that have contributed greatly to society today: The Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. etc. Whenever you read about their religions you think those people as beneath you, not knowing of your god. You think that had they seen yours they would have switched quickly because yours is far superior, and the only real god. Not true. Each of these civilizations forced the same spell on their citizens to help cope with everyday life, as well as things they could not explain. Each religion, from the Egyptians to the Romans was eventually discarded for the main part, and a new religion born.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is this: What makes you so sure that in a few hundred years Christianity won't be discarded for a new, better "paying" religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any of you who take time to think about that will realize that Christianity is nothing more than another step in the ladder of the greatest hoax of all time, and I doubt we have even reached the top yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I leave this with another one-liner I thought up myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance"-Zim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yah, now who's being arrogant lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You sir are a fool. There is no arrogance in what I said. I respect other's religion and was simply expressing my views. If you are Christian, I have the utmost respect for you because I believe it is easier to live life as a christian than an atheist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zim. If you do look in the History books you will come to realize one thing. The Romans persecuted the Christians but the Christian faith spred. Why? Martyrs were being fed to the lions in the Colosseum for the mere pleasure of other humans who believed their god (Caesar) was more powerful than the Christian God. Christians suffered under Nero, who captured Christians, put them on stakes, and lit them on fire to light his garden at night. How could such extreme public (and humiliating) torture cause growth for a new-found religion? ("New found religion" meaning that it was culturally thought of as a new found religion in that time period) So here's my question to you Zim. Why didn't Christianity burn out way back in the beginning of it's birth? Why didn't Christianity burn out when Jesus died on the Cross? Why didn't Christianity die when the leaders of their churches were sought out and publicly executed? Why didn't Christianity die when, to be a Christian, was a crime against the most powerful Empire to rule the world since the Babylonians and Assyrians, and to worship the God of the Bible and Jesus as His Son was to negate Caesar as god and thus be punished? Why? I'm seriously asking these questions and am not saying this post in any form of sarcasm or "flame".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see how "Belief is nothing more than hope with arrogance" If you could maybe discuss more on that one-liner to clarify yourself it'd be most appreciative. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Well I'm going to be gone for a couple weeks so when I get back from my vacations I'll be looking forward to see how this thread has developed over the next couple weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With a Historical view,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Samuel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, Samuel (Good to see another intelligent person comment :) ) My views on your statements:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

S:Why didn't Christianity burn out at it's birth?When it was a crime to believe?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Z: Why? Because every religion since the dawn of time was once thought wrong and was opposed. When the Greek/Roman Gods were first concieved it was thought rediculous by every other faith that was already in full force at the time. The only religion ever to not be persecuted was the very first religion (which no one can be sure what it is, most likely prehistoric). My point is this: Every religion was once persecuted. Maybe it was not recorded, or as widespread as Christian\Jewish persecution, but it was once opposed. Every religion only made it through those persecutions because it could be conveyed to the people that the religion would survive because the God\Gods willed it so. Now, in the (IMHO) the last quarter of Christianity's reign the struggle in the past is used to maintain faith in the future times. You get what I'm saying? Christianity survived after Jesus's death (IF Jesus is real, this can be disputed as well) because 'Jesus' was obviously a very wise, and witty man. Conveying orders through his disciples long after his death. Very clever if the story told is true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your 'Nero' comment. Yes, Christians suffered under Nero.... Hell, Romans suffered under Nero. Nero was a bad leader. Period. Just as the Jews suffered though Hitler. One bad leader tarnishes everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for my one-liner: I'm simply saying that for the most part. People are merely hoping for thier religion to pull through (with confidence/arrogance to other religions).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry if I'm rambling too much tonight, I'm super-tired.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Zim.[/b]

[insane]

sheesh, this topic is still alive??? *murders topic and drains it of all its blood*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is your problem with this topic? Just stop posting on it...

[pat_29]

common i hate this topic just want lots of post grr grr grr

[duro]

I don't really no what to believe in..... cause somedays i believe that you know there has to be a greater power then somedays i simple change my mind and look to reincarnation or maybe when you die its just like when you sleep or somthing......i mostly think god is a resort or a comfort for people who are afraid of death....but i just know that im a good person and if there is a god then i shall not be forsaken at the gates of heaven, or so i hope............