Ignoring the debate of whether a rank in itself is important, this is a popular question...what is more important to a clan's ranking? Pking, or wars? Often times people will have seperate lists for both, but probably even more of the time people will have one overall list counting both. So, the question is simple...what are your opinions? Are they even worth trying to compare?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And by "wars", I'm excluding mini-wars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, both are extremely important, but pking a bit moreso. Pking shows a clan's activity in the wild and their practicality in battle; most wars are f2p, ruling out p2p tactics...it more often than not shows a clan's spur-of-the-moment activity, although there are more than enough exceptions to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Warring shows a clan's real strength, their unbridled power...the only thing is that you don't "declare" a pk trip on a clan, you just have one; making pk run ins more frequent to the millionth power than wars. Personally I think it would be better to win the majority of pk-run-ins than wars if you have 10 pk trips for every war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Before, wars were pretty much everything; you couldn't move up a rank unless you beat the higher-ups in an official war. Now things are completely different, it seems. I hardly hear about wars with top 10 clans, just pk run ins and all that. Personally, I'm more used to ranking by wars, but going along with the times I think that pk trips are much more important to rankings.

Wars in my opinion because in pks, you don't have all your members there. In wars, you have almost all of your members there to show how much strength your clan has.

I think Om_S have pretty much nailed it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wars are definitely the thing that determines the rank of a combat based clan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think PK trips are just as a credibility to that clan.

I say wars are the factor that decides there rank but pk trips decides there reputation. how they act, how many are out there, the ammount of run ins with major clans they have, do they win these engagements, do they crash wars or run ins, ectra. a war would show who is more powerfull but as far as reputation I would think that pking trips are far more importent.

The fact that being a superior clan according to all previous posters must be decided in the wilderness, sickens me...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres a lot more you can be good at, and doesnt have to be decided at all in the wild. Merchanting and general richness of the clan is one, but also the policy your clan follows in and towards the outside of itself counts, or how about certain facilities in place that make it possible for everyone to help one another, or even how fast a clan can mass-produce weapons, armor, runes, potions food and what not for wars...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think clans can be measured in many many ways, not just pk or war...

Stormrage, we're talking about combat-based clan ranks here...generally, I just don't see mining-based or community-based ranks anywhere. Games, especially MMORPGs, are usually centered on battling; and more to the point, pvp. It's only natural then that when we talk about ranks we talk about the best combat-based clan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I agree that pk trips don't show the clan's true strength, since not all of the members are there and a very large clan can get a bad turnout if it didn't give much prep-time, had bad timezones, etc. However, even if a clan dominates in wars, I just don't think it reflects well if they get wiped clean whenever they meet such-and-such in the wilderness. And I think if a clan is great at wars but inactive at pking, and there's a clan out there 10x more active in the wilderness than them and thus 10x more effective in the wild, that counts more. It's kind of a moot point though.

PK trips here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My old clan did not war often, but even if we lost, we still gained respect and people still wanted to join.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However when a clan doesn't PK, the members get bored and they leave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And thus PKs > Wars. :-k

PK trips here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My old clan did not war often, but even if we lost, we still gained respect and people still wanted to join.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However when a clan doesn't PK, the members get bored and they leave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And thus PKs > Wars. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that not having a lot of PK trips can make the clan less exciting, but what happened? Wars used to count so much more than pktrips. Like players said before me, wars show the full power & tactics of the clan. PKtrips are more on the fun side. When pking, a run-in is just simply...a run-in. Clans can be crashed in pktrips & when they meet another clan they're obviously not using their full power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wars are what shows the full potential. Wars are more organized, strategies are harder to use, & the opposing clan(s) are trying their hardest as well. All the work put into a war is a lot more work put into a pktrip.

both are very important. but the question you asked is which is better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WARS: Shows the clan's ability to work together. This also shows the clans true power. Pking can be a twice weekly thing where not many people go, maybe 1/4 - 1/3 of the members. wars show brute strength. strength in numbers is a good thing. Wars also show the ability of a clan to find a good leader. wars need leaders, leaders call out names, they make sure they take out the important people first, they show power, they show the clans will to comit, the show the clans ability to follow orders, all of which are great things that you need to look for in clans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PKING: This shows the clans activeness. a clan can have many wars, but nothing comes close to some hardcore pking. pking is the ultimate test in how well your clan is able to comit to a cause. to go out weekly, bi-weekly, or even up to 5 times weekly, to loose full rune, even up to full arhims and a whip shows your absloute comitment to a clan. yes, wars are fine and dandy, but not to many wars are help in p2p because it is too easy to KO someone, or too easy to cheat and "acidently" bring 500 ice and blood barrage casts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my oppinion, you cant count on one factor to produce a better rank, but i would have to go with pking. it shows strength, obedience, comitment, willpower, and activity. it was a hard decision because wars are easier to rank clans by who is better, but pking just shows more traits that are needed.

Wars in my opinion because in pks, you don't have all your members there. In wars, you have almost all of your members there to show how much strength your clan has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pking also has returners, high ranked clans will return enough to erode any op difference

Wars in my opinion because in pks, you don't have all your members there. In wars, you have almost all of your members there to show how much strength your clan has.

I would say wars in this day and age. A couple of years ago, I would have said pking, because it wasn't based soley upon returning and 1 week preperation pk trips.

i'd say equal.

 

 

 

Wars show strength, and power

 

 

 

but pking gets more stuff and is more fun in my opinion

i'd say equal.

 

 

 

Wars show strength, and power

 

 

 

but pking gets more stuff and is more fun in my opinion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres no way it can be equal. If you say you get more stuff, then what if a clan is ambushed by another clan with more members pking? The clan with more options(and also stronger) would send the other clan running or kill them if they fight. We're not talking about fun btw. When I use to join clans, I get the more "stuff" from killing opposing clan during wars. Oh I forgot, we're not looking to see that pking gets you more stuff but instead to show power of your clan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wars shows how good your clan really is when almost all of your members are there to pile and spam like crazy. Pking doesn't have all of your members there because some members don't even want to come or are busy which sometimes the clan has around....say 60 options, your spamming and piling won't be that great compared to huge amount of members spamming and piling.

Both are completely seperate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PK run-ins show a clan's ability to return and use the battlefield wiseley, whereas Wars test organisation, and there is more pressure on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some clans may be terrible at PK run-ins but great at wars, and vice versa.

Both are completely seperate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PK run-ins show a clan's ability to return and use the battlefield wiseley, whereas Wars test organisation, and there is more pressure on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some clans may be terrible at PK run-ins but great at wars, and vice versa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like how u said that {\:-)

Both are completely seperate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PK run-ins show a clan's ability to return and use the battlefield wiseley, whereas Wars test organisation, and there is more pressure on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some clans may be terrible at PK run-ins but great at wars, and vice versa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably best said right there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Generally I find wars alot more fun, there is alot of hype and anticipation around it. It makes it all the more a worthy victory if won, it's more of a concrete win in a war. (by concrete win I mean a more obvious and solid win)

They are both very important. But i'd go for wars. For the simple reason that wars don't test how good your bank is at all. But with a pk run in, if your clan has more rune than your opponents that are of similar size, your clan should win.

They are both very important. But i'd go for wars. For the simple reason that wars don't test how good your bank is at all. But with a pk run in, if your clan has more rune than your opponents that are of similar size, your clan should win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

uhhh...NO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what if its a war that returning isn't allowed? What if returning is allowed but the opponents have more people but are around the same combat?

Wars are more important because wars you are using your clan against another clan. Pking however it is usually your whole clan against 1-7 people so pking doesn't show the clan's full potential face to face.

Im sure DS has had there official wars in the time but havnt they goten to number 1 just by virtually owning everyone they ever meet in f2p wilderness. although after writing this i just realised that im agreeing with you. clans can move up ranks alot easier now without official wars.

Wars because they require more skill and organization.

Wars because they require more skill and organization.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea. That REALLY shows a clans potential.

PKRI's hands down. It shows the loyalty, commitment, and activeness of your members along with your organization. Week prep wars show organization and numbers...and that's all.

Yeah. But it doesn't affect their record at all. Pking does help toward a rank but wars do more. For example, if two same ranked clans battle each other and one of them wins. That one will overtake the other one in rank.