Is luring an acceptable practice?

[jackal_55]

im kinda on the fence about this.

 

 

 

luring is bad, and should be bannable, but in turn, if nobody lures, people stop trying to lure me, and i miss out on killing lurers (who happen to bring a lot more valuable stuff than you average pker nowadays.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring is scamming, but most of the time its also blatently obvious, not always, but most of the time.

 

 

 

it only takes a small degree of common sense to see a lure, but everone can have "one of those days" so you dont have to be outright stupid to fall for a lure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but all in all, luring is bad, and should be bannable, regardless of how obvious it is.

[Halo_2_4_U]

Soma2035 - Please don't triple post.

[sir_me47]

 

 

I am seriously distraught by the amount of people who say luring is okay just because "They have the skill to do so" or "the people who are lured deserve it."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've posted before, and I believe others have to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHETHER OR NOT YOU DESERVE TO BE LURED DOESN'T MATTER!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're breaking a law or rule, you deserve to be punished for it, no matter whether the victim was stupid or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for saying it takes skill to lure:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It takes skill to set up corporate frauds too. It takes skill to cheat thousands and thousands of employees out of their incomes. Enron still got punished for it when they got caught, did they not? (Sorry if I spelled the companies name wrong.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you break a rule, you deserve to be punished.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rule 2 clearly says deceiving another player for their items is not tolerated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are LYING to someone, telling them you want to trade, when you're trying to kill them, you are deceiving them. Yes, it's partially their fault for being stupid enough to fall for it. I won't deny that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, you STILL deserve to be punished for a violation of rule 2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh yea, before someone comes on and posts that "in that case pures are violations of rule 2 as well."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The deception can not be blamed on the player. If the pure told you "I'm only 40 strength" when he's 90, that is a deception. But just because the code displays his combat level as low, and you assume that to mean he's weak, doesn't mean he is responsible for deceiving you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

deceiving= leing about there stats or tricking them into fighting them in wildy. this could be a form of luring, getting a player to skull on them then whip out there unbeleivably high mage and KO the player very easily... and when you said,

 

 

 

"But just because the code displays his combat level as low, and you assume that to mean he's weak, doesn't mean he is responsible for deceiving you."

 

 

 

this is very much decieving...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and why do people keep bringing up stealing real life money?

 

 

 

do people really not have the life to tell the difference between items and gold peices on a game, to real life money? you might say it has the same priorities. And no it doesnt not at all, some one can actually end your career in real life by putting you in so much debt you have to file for bank rupcey and lose all of your posetions. Compared to a game where you can just build up your wealth like you did in the first place...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People bring up money BECAUSE it's a similar situation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point isn't whether it's real life, runescape, or any other game. The point is, if you break a rule, you deserve to be punished WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON DESERVED TO BE VICTIMIZED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It DOESN'T MATTER whether or not they made a bad choice. If a player chooses to break a rule, they deserve to be banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This invalidates the whole "they're stupid to fall for it so it's okay" argument. Nothing more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, get it through your head.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I think, not 100% it's what he meant, but xarik meant that pures themselves aren't deceiving, it's Jagex's combat level system, and you're assumptions that deceive you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A pure is only actively deceiving you if he TELLS you he is weak. Otherwise, it is your assumption that deceives you. The combat level system is an APPROXIMATION of strength. If a player feels a certain combination will yield a stronger account for PvP combat at that level he is free to make such an account. That is not a deception.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

most people know when a pure is leing about his stats so stop bringing this up, like you said with the whole money position its the point that counts. if jagex started banning pures/stakers that lied about there stats under rule 2 there would be a countless number of pointless bans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and besides that fact luring really isnt item scamming some can be but not luring into the wild.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

seriously its posted clear enough at the entrence of the wild that you might lose some of your items if you go any farther. its your choice to go on the person who is doing the lure cant make you go any farther. you can just say "come to me" and if they say no you know its a lure but if you keep going and enter the wild with your own free will then its not item luring its just another pk with extremely high rewards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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However, most of the time, you have 'lurers' that have multiple Runescape accounts, they use their alternate account so their 'main' is not punished. This action alone shows that the lurers know what they are doing is wrong, becuase they have a contegency plan. They tend to have much more runescape experience; they tend to nbe older and find it 'amusing' to pick on inexperienced players. To me, they are nothing more than bullies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if your going to talk bad about luring then get a clue about it first. most people have other accounts because there main's combat level is to high. *hint the higher the persons combat the harder to get a lure is hint*

 

 

 

and actually luring is dead after 95+ combat

[MoonWalk66]

For most normal people who stay away from the wilderness, its not acceptable, but for hard core no honor pkers, its just another link of the food chain, and you can either accept it or leave. Some luring is not done in lvl 1, I'm sure you all know about the mystic top lure.

[oscboydie]

I personally think that luring is in its own right a breach of rule 3, but it has been abused by the a small population of players because Jagex have not clarified it, strictly speaking, against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a confused topic as people do say well anyone stupid enough to fall for it deserves it, but i still do not think it is right. It is not in the interest of the game to profit repeatedly from the misfortune for others. I think however, a forgotten aspect which is also used by people for profit should be classified against the rules by Jagex.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am talking about 'teleothering' in the barrows, where people use the spell so that people cannot see what they are doing and thn die against one or other of the barrows brothers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So when Jagex do clarify on luring they should also consider dishonest profit making schemes.

[monkeyboo2]

Oh boy... I can't believe the enormous support for luring...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stupid people should be enlightened and noobs should be educated, not exploited! Helping the weak and educating the ignorant are the basis for civilization.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont particularly support luring but people who allow themselves to be exploited are always going to be exploited. People who are lured deserve to get lured and people who lure deserve to be reported-simple as.

[Buckeyemange]

I would like to once again bring up the point that asking if luring is ok is like asking if eating babies is ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But honetly, what's worse then the luring is the stuck up attitude that the lurer has about it. For example, I know a guy who as lured. For the next 5 minutes, from the lurer, he got a message like "Zomg we Freakin' PWND you!" for the next 5 minutes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I don't get it why lurers are so desprate for money that they lure. I mean, using only 30k worth of feathers, I made upwards of 600k.

[Maddra]

 

 

 

if your going to talk bad about luring then get a clue about it first. most people have other accounts because there main's combat level is to high. *hint the higher the persons combat the harder to get a lure is hint*

 

 

 

and actually luring is dead after 95+ combat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said "High Level Main" - I said Main. As in someone having multiple accounts that they use to lure, and except for thier main character - which they dont want to have repercussions sought against.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So some use alternate accounts becuase they 'cant' lure with thier 95+ main. I dont know what is more sad, that they, out of frustration at failing to lure people with thier 95+ character - they started a lower level.. or that it took them to lvl 95+ to figure it out. It is still wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What ever the case, it is false pretenses. Wildy is not there so that there is no honor, or no rules. It is there so players can play against one another in the field of combat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People that choose the honorless way, meaning that they feel justified at cheating, will always be that way. They will start out justifing why they cheat at a game. Then why they cheat in thier tests, Then why they cheat on thier taxes, or steal things from thier company. Those people are the ones you see on Jerry Springer. I however aspire to better than people that find it so hard to have honor.

[1seck0]

hell ya its acceptable not your faults you idiots bring in like millions of gp and all that good stuff and you run straight into the wilderness, before you go in theres a warning, and luring is not actually called item scamming. Its called making stupid people run into run into wilderness and dying with millions.

[1seck0]

 

Oh boy... I can't believe the enormous support for luring...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stupid people should be enlightened and noobs should be educated, not exploited! Helping the weak and educating the ignorant are the basis for civilization.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont particularly support luring but people who allow themselves to be exploited are always going to be exploited. People who are lured deserve to get lured and people who lure deserve to be reported-simple as.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people who lure deserves the stuff that they lure its their hard work in killing stupid noobs that run into wilderness with good stuff. Whoever complaining about this probably was stupid enough to get lured and killed for rares or millions or maybe just some rune or dragon?

[AceScope]

so 1seck0, i take it you are a lurer, taken your huge support towards it. On another note, luring is bad! people who get lured are not stupid! we do not deserve it!

[King_Peter18]

 

Oh boy... I can't believe the enormous support for luring...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stupid people should be enlightened and noobs should be educated, not exploited! Helping the weak and educating the ignorant are the basis for civilization.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont particularly support luring but people who allow themselves to be exploited are always going to be exploited. People who are lured deserve to get lured and people who lure deserve to be reported-simple as.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where on the Runescape site do you see JaGeX go into the definition of Luring? No where. There is a bug, that allows a Lurer to get a person into level 5 wilderness without the Wilderness sign coming up! So that is being exploited? All you have to do is follow the person, and you can be dragged into level 5 wilderness without the sign coming up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't even involve trading, people have reported this bug to JaGeX over two years ago, and now people are using it to scam each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would go into further detail, but that would give potential lurers ideas, and I don't want to be the instigater of that.

[soldin911]

i think its wrong. :shame:

[1seck0]

so 1seck0, i take it you are a lurer, taken your huge support towards it. On another note, luring is bad! people who get lured are not stupid! we do not deserve it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring equals cash w000t

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

xP i remember back on my main some idiot was alching i traded him and ran inside wilde he traded me and i killed him for 57m and a purple roflmfao it was hella funny

[Buckeyemange]

hell ya its acceptable not your faults you idiots bring in like millions of gp and all that good stuff and you run straight into the wilderness, before you go in theres a warning, and luring is not actually called item scamming. Its called making stupid people run into run into wilderness and dying with millions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring equals cash w000t

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

xP i remember back on my main some idiot was alching i traded him and ran inside wilde he traded me and i killed him for 57m and a purple roflmfao it was hella funny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you're going with the "Taking candy from a baby" approach? Taking advantage of the stupid to further yourself? I mean, how pathetic do you have to be to need to lure people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, come on? You could (Parish the thought) Pk with SOME dignity, but no, you'd rather scam. I mean, you could mine coal, or cut yews, anything that doesn't lead to dirty money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, you can hide behind the fact that it's not really against the rules, and sure, you can hide behind the fact that they were stupid enough to fall for it, but that's a poor excuse...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rob from the rich and stupid, give to yourself. A twisted robbin hood. Well, at least you lured the hat and boots to call yourself robbin hod...

[King_Peter18]

 

so 1seck0, i take it you are a lurer, taken your huge support towards it. On another note, luring is bad! people who get lured are not stupid! we do not deserve it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring equals cash w000t

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

xP i remember back on my main some idiot was alching i traded him and ran inside wilde he traded me and i killed him for 57m and a purple roflmfao it was hella funny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I bet he wasn't laughing. Let me scam you of all you have and lets see how you feel.

[sir_me47]

 

 

 

 

if your going to talk bad about luring then get a clue about it first. most people have other accounts because there main's combat level is to high. *hint the higher the persons combat the harder to get a lure is hint*

 

 

 

and actually luring is dead after 95+ combat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said "High Level Main" - I said Main. As in someone having multiple accounts that they use to lure, and except for thier main character - which they dont want to have repercussions sought against.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So some use alternate accounts becuase they 'cant' lure with thier 95+ main. I dont know what is more sad, that they, out of frustration at failing to lure people with thier 95+ character - they started a lower level.. or that it took them to lvl 95+ to figure it out. It is still wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What ever the case, it is false pretenses. Wildy is not there so that there is no honor, or no rules. It is there so players can play against one another in the field of combat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People that choose the honorless way, meaning that they feel justified at cheating, will always be that way. They will start out justifing why they cheat at a game. Then why they cheat in thier tests, Then why they cheat on thier taxes, or steal things from thier company. Those people are the ones you see on Jerry Springer. I however aspire to better than people that find it so hard to have honor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

who hasnt cheated on a test before. i know i have. i know almost every single one of my teachers has. and i also know my parents has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

most people that are 95+ know what a lure is and it is very hard for the talker to get them to the spot. making it almost useless for a 95+ account in luring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and let me see these supposedly list of "rules" in the wild. sure you have to follow jagex's standards rules but is there a list that players made up that you absolutely have to stand by? and if so how many people follow it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hell ya its acceptable not your faults you idiots bring in like millions of gp and all that good stuff and you run straight into the wilderness, before you go in theres a warning, and luring is not actually called item scamming. Its called making stupid people run into run into wilderness and dying with millions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring equals cash w000t

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

xP i remember back on my main some idiot was alching i traded him and ran inside wilde he traded me and i killed him for 57m and a purple roflmfao it was hella funny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you're going with the "Taking candy from a baby" approach? Taking advantage of the stupid to further yourself? I mean, how pathetic do you have to be to need to lure people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, come on? You could (Parish the thought) Pk with SOME dignity, but no, you'd rather scam. I mean, you could mine coal, or cut yews, anything that doesn't lead to dirty money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, you can hide behind the fact that it's not really against the rules, and sure, you can hide behind the fact that they were stupid enough to fall for it, but that's a poor excuse...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rob from the rich and stupid, give to yourself. A twisted robbin hood. Well, at least you lured the hat and boots to call yourself robbin hod...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

back onto topic. so your calling it pking then? then why is it against the rules?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how pathetic do people have to be to fall for a lure also. :wall:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"taking candy from a baby" is not an appropriate term here you try to get a lure it takes skill taking candy from a baby is just mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

King peter: as your friend Buckeyemange said its just pking dishonorably not scamming items

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maddra: how is luring "cheating" autoing is cheating. luring is a more profitable way of pking

[ChewyShoe]

It's not exactly an open discussion if the person hosting the discussion (or debate, whatever you want to call it.) Chimes in with their two cents, then prohibits people from expressing their true opinion by telling them not to admit to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course people are going to say they are against it if the opening post is so blatantly against it. It's like me asking you if you like to mine, then telling you that I hate it and if you admit to it, I am going to do bad things to you. Even if I love mining, I am going to lie and and say that I in fact hate it like you do just to be accepted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why not have an actual discussion, get to the root of the 'problem', by asking people why they lure. (Sure, the items might be handy, but they might get jollies out of it.) If you can understand that, you have a better chance of stamping the thing out and then we won't have a need for a one-sided debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kudos to the people who admitted to luring and think it's a good thing. At least you were brave enough to step up and admit it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To the people who have been 'lured', I bet after it happened, you didn't let it happen again. Lesson learn t, be glad you learn t it online rather than in the real world. You just saved yourself some pain.

 

 

 

(No, I don't lure. I don't think it's a good or bad thing, you can't idiot proof a game and you shouldn't try because it makes it less fun for the rest of us.)

[1seck0]

 

hell ya its acceptable not your faults you idiots bring in like millions of gp and all that good stuff and you run straight into the wilderness, before you go in theres a warning, and luring is not actually called item scamming. Its called making stupid people run into run into wilderness and dying with millions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring equals cash w000t

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

xP i remember back on my main some idiot was alching i traded him and ran inside wilde he traded me and i killed him for 57m and a purple roflmfao it was hella funny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you're going with the "Taking candy from a baby" approach? Taking advantage of the stupid to further yourself? I mean, how pathetic do you have to be to need to lure people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, come on? You could (Parish the thought) Pk with SOME dignity, but no, you'd rather scam. I mean, you could mine coal, or cut yews, anything that doesn't lead to dirty money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, you can hide behind the fact that it's not really against the rules, and sure, you can hide behind the fact that they were stupid enough to fall for it, but that's a poor excuse...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rob from the rich and stupid, give to yourself. A twisted robbin hood. Well, at least you lured the hat and boots to call yourself robbin hod...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yep easy as taking candy from a baby but with skill i bet you you'll never lure anything more than an iron skimmy

[1seck0]

 

 

so 1seck0, i take it you are a lurer, taken your huge support towards it. On another note, luring is bad! people who get lured are not stupid! we do not deserve it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring equals cash w000t

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

xP i remember back on my main some idiot was alching i traded him and ran inside wilde he traded me and i killed him for 57m and a purple roflmfao it was hella funny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I bet he wasn't laughing. Let me scam you of all you have and lets see how you feel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i don't think you'll ever be able to scam me.. or pk me or lure me.. if you get me in the wilderness i will kill you.

[RSBtwHero]

As a Pure, Luring is the most convienent way to make money quickly with less hassle(I.E WCing all day for like 500 logs in the end or Fishing all day for about 200k). Some lures make large amounts of gold in one day that may take weeks for other players. In the issue of it being moral, of course it is not. It is considered low and dishonorable. However, it is still allowed and if there is no force (by JaGex) to stop, it then by all means continue with it. Honestly for those complaining about "hurting" a person's feelings behind the pixel characters seriously needs to consider taking a break from Runescape and get out and have a life. They are just pixels!!

 

 

 

I also believe it is not bullying because people ought to know better and not trade in the Wilderness. As a matter of fact,when you trade in Wilderness it has a message that says" Trading in the Wilderness is Dangerous."Therefore they cannot say they did not know or that there is no warning about trading in the Wild. Its the scamee's fault for even setting foot on dangerous ground with their rares on them. Thats beyond stupid and its beyond me why they do this. I rest my case by saying luring is legal and you must be mentally deficiant to not see it coming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Btw Hero Btw

[Flying_V]

When a thief breaks into a house, we do not say that it is the home owner's fault for insufficiently protecting the house. Therefore, we do not also say that the victim of a scam is to be blamed, or somehow deserves to be scammed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rationalization that the victim deserves to be victimized simply because he/she has fallen prey is duplicitous, and not logically sound. This type of argument is only used by criminals who wish to rid themselves of their own guilt.

[goturwhip]

what type of luring are you guys talking about? like wilderness luring or monster luring? well i'll comment about both of them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i lure, i'll admit it i don't care. i have done both wilderness and monster. i also skull trick people with my friends. my thought that if your stupid enough to take a full phat set into level 56 wild at mage bank, then you deserve to be dead. it's as simple as that, if your that dumb, then you deserve to die, same as irl, if your dumb enough to be a single guy with a $2000 tux on getting out at the ATM without looking, you deserve to be mugged.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for the monster luring, for those of you who don't know, at dk (dag kings) you take full guthans and such, and when your lured a person lures over surpreme and you get koed fast.. and drop your helm and staff thingy.. forgot what it's called. which is like 5m. doing that is a different story, cuz to do that the person is a semi close friend to you, and that is an [wagon] thing to do to a friend. but is yet again a good way to make money. a person can easily make 20m a day luring at dk. even more luring in wild.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as for the question if it's immoral or whatever.. rs is a computer game over the internet that should have absolutely no impact and anyones real life. however there a lot of messed up kids that play rs that think that rs is there life.. but those people are weird.. and need to find a life outside of rs.. so in fact luring is actually doing them a good thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats what i think about the matter at elast..

[RichCawt]

i believe that the practice should be legal, although i hate the people that do it. Most of the time they say, wanna team, when there 10 lvls higher than you. I dont like the practice but i do believe it is a legal one, its a competition of wits. Almost like the hawk seeking its prey.

[Ninjajihad]

i hate lurers! i was lured once! and they took 300k and my ring of wealth! you cant say that it takes a bit of so called brain power not to get caught alot of people have never heard of luring and some are quite naive the only people who say i takes a bit of brain power are lurers themselves and if i ever meet you in person ill punch you so hard ill break your nose! (mind you people have tried luring me several times since and im not letting it happen again)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

come punch me in the nose and see what happens. I haven't lured anyone, but maybe i should to teach stupid people lessons.