How jagex should have selected player mods.

In my oppinion the best way to get good mature, non power abusing players is this:

 

Take on your player mods from known people in the community, start with about 10 say:

 

Leesters, oddfaery2, lordgreyhawk, zzzamorak, al 200, englishking, thehate, Antyany, cheene, livinlarge21

 

Then have all player mod recruiting from that stage on done by player mods.

 

The player mods will certainly have good mature friends on the list who they know report when needed and they will nominate them, and jagex aproves, then the new player mods do the same.

 

Soon we will have just as many player mods as before if not more.

 

We will have a great core with a good attitude, all mature and none going to abuse their powers.

 

Discuss.

I think it's a bad idea, it would be something like friend politics. They'd just choose friends, either because they're good friends, or because they're just nagging. I think it would be a bit to time demanding + tomuch of a fuss, it's better if Jagex picks P Mods themselfs. I know there are some players with P Mod that don't deserve it, but there's nothing to do about it.

I think it's a bad idea, it would be something like friend politics. They'd just choose friends, either because they're good friends, or because they're just nagging. I think it would be a bit to time demanding + tomuch of a fuss, it's better if Jagex picks P Mods themselfs. I know there are some players with P Mod that don't deserve it, but there's nothing to do about it.

The people i mentioned wouldnt pick anyone who was nagging for it.

 

Regardless of how they pick player mods it should be some one from the community that people respect, not some one no ones ever heard of.

I'll also disagree with your logic, simply because being well-known does not always mean that they could be trusted, would uphold the rules no matter what (even with friends), and that they have friends who have the same standards of being a good RuneScape player. Even before that, would the players that are well-known throughout the community accept the responsibilities of modship in the first place? If they don't, then there's no real point.

 

 

 

There's one aspect that we've all forgotten: "All power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely." I don't think that there is a definitive way to prove that anyone wouldn't go out on a power binge until things like players getting muted when they did nothing wrong happen. Regardless of what they have to lose or not, when a feeling of superiority and power comes over a person, there's no guarantee that they can control themselves long enough to avoid catastrophic results, such as their removal of power, banning, or both. I also don't feel that the people who are well known would be 100% mature 100% of the time; again there is no real way to measure that except through trial-and-error.

 

 

 

The idea of having the well known players' friends only promote others into modship is a horrid idea. This can lead to favoritism and ultimately be the downfall of the Player Moderator system as we'd know it -- Imagine a world where only the few who know the ones with the crown gain the crown themselves, and imagine the aftermath of such a world.

 

 

 

Most of this is based on premonition. It is presumed that players that are well-known will be loyal and good candidates for modship. It is presumed that these players will make coherent nominations for others when it comes to promotions of Player Moderator. Don't you think that if you're talking in-game integrity that you'd need something a little better than just a presumption?

I'll also disagree with your logic, simply because being well-known does not always mean that they could be trusted, would uphold the rules no matter what (even with friends), and that they have friends who have the same standards of being a good RuneScape player. Even before that, would the players that are well-known throughout the community accept the responsibilities of modship in the first place? If they don't, then there's no real point.

 

 

 

There's one aspect that we've all forgotten: "All power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely." I don't think that there is a definitive way to prove that anyone wouldn't go out on a power binge until things like players getting muted when they did nothing wrong happen. Regardless of what they have to lose or not, when a feeling of superiority and power comes over a person, there's no guarantee that they can control themselves long enough to avoid catastrophic results, such as their removal of power, banning, or both. I also don't feel that the people who are well known would be 100% mature 100% of the time; again there is no real way to measure that except through trial-and-error.

 

 

 

The idea of having the well known players' friends only promote others into modship is a horrid idea. This can lead to favoritism and ultimately be the downfall of the Player Moderator system as we'd know it -- Imagine a world where only the few who know the ones with the crown gain the crown themselves, and imagine the aftermath of such a world.

 

 

 

Most of this is based on premonition. It is presumed that players that are well-known will be loyal and good candidates for modship. It is presumed that these players will make coherent nominations for others when it comes to promotions of Player Moderator. Don't you think that if you're talking in-game integrity that you'd need something a little better than just a presumption?

Your splitting hairs again, i didnt say any one well known in the community i mean people who are already mature and helpful, some one like leesters for example, do you honestly think he would all of a sudden become a power abuser?.

Your splitting hairs again, i didnt say any one well known in the community i mean people who are already mature and helpful, some one like leesters for example, do you honestly think he would all of a sudden become a power abuser?.

 

 

 

Aha, there you go. You said they need to be mature and helpful. Unfortunately, both maturity and helpfulness are subjective to the beholder. I could define maturity in-game by not using so much if any "leet-speak", and I could define helpfulness as giving me 10M every time I needed a quick money boost. However, that view does not apply to each and every person that plays. Maturity is something acquired and not really seen on a one-time basis; it's something that constantly changes and stays with you no matter what the circumstance. Same with helpfulness; personally I sure wouldn't give 10M to everyone that asked me for it; does that make me not helpful?

 

 

 

Of course, our views of helpfulness and maturity will differ. Someone might view someone else as both capable and willing to do the job, including being mature enough to handle the responsibilities and helpful all around the board, but another might view him as immature and question why Jagex placed him in power in the first place.

 

 

 

Also, as implied before, there is no concrete proof that even if they meet all of the criteria that they will not abuse their power. I can't think of any way besides trial-and-error that power can be entrusted to that person. Besides, it's not really our decision as to whom gets power -- Jagex makes all the calls on maturity, helpfulness and capability of using that power for good; while we may disagree with Jagex in their [not-so] infinite wisdom, I for one will trust that they have at least enough sense to punish the ones that are not to be entrusted with power at all, and learn from their mistakes.

Your splitting hairs again, i didnt say any one well known in the community i mean people who are already mature and helpful, some one like leesters for example, do you honestly think he would all of a sudden become a power abuser?.

 

 

 

Aha, there you go. You said they need to be mature and helpful. Unfortunately, both maturity and helpfulness are subjective to the beholder. I could define maturity in-game by not using so much if any "leet-speak", and I could define helpfulness as giving me 10M every time I needed a quick money boost. However, that view does not apply to each and every person that plays. Maturity is something acquired and not really seen on a one-time basis; it's something that constantly changes and stays with you no matter what the circumstance. Same with helpfulness; personally I sure wouldn't give 10M to everyone that asked me for it; does that make me not helpful?

 

 

 

Of course, our views of helpfulness and maturity will differ. Someone might view someone else as both capable and willing to do the job, including being mature enough to handle the responsibilities and helpful all around the board, but another might view him as immature and question why Jagex placed him in power in the first place.

 

 

 

Also, as implied before, there is no concrete proof that even if they meet all of the criteria that they will not abuse their power. I can't think of any way besides trial-and-error that power can be entrusted to that person. Besides, it's not really our decision as to whom gets power -- Jagex makes all the calls on maturity, helpfulness and capability of using that power for good; while we may disagree with Jagex in their [not-so] infinite wisdom, I for one will trust that they have at least enough sense to punish the ones that are not to be entrusted with power at all, and learn from their mistakes.

By the time that it gets to the point of having to punish a player mod many innocent players have most likely already been the victims of whatever this pmod has done.

 

Handing abusable powers to some one that nobody knows or respects is just foolish, if you have never got past lvl 50 in a skill how are you going to do your job well?.

 

There needs to be some kind of barrier to prevent these kind of people getting it, im no genius and my ideas arnt perfect but they are better then the current system.

well, you're suggesting that mods be able to recommend people who deserve it, right?

 

i can say from experience whether or not such a thing exists, many people will add the mod and ask to be recommended. in fact, many mods have more random people that PM them frequently on their lists than actual friends.

 

that's one of those ideas that can actually work if implemented correctly, well done =D>

In my oppinion the best way to get good mature, non power abusing players is this:

 

Take on your player mods from known people in the community, start with about 10 say:

 

Leesters, oddfaery2, lordgreyhawk, zzzamorak, al 200, englishking, thehate, Antyany, cheene, livinlarge21

 

Then have all player mod recruiting from that stage on done by player mods.

 

The player mods will certainly have good mature friends on the list who they know report when needed and they will nominate them, and jagex aproves, then the new player mods do the same.

 

Soon we will have just as many player mods as before if not more.

 

We will have a great core with a good attitude, all mature and none going to abuse their powers.

 

Discuss.

How do you know? You're just assuming that everyone the player mods know will be good and mature and perfect for the job. A player mod really has no indication of how a person behaves unless they hear from a reliable source or just happen to be right next to the person all the time, watching everything they do. They may act a lot differently when a player moderator is not around. And what about those other people that deserve it that have no connection with a player mod? As zot_mustke said, it would be like friend politics.

 

 

 

I believe that moderators may have a right to recommend someone, but Jagex should never have to accept nor even look at the possiblities of the that candidate to becoming a player mod. Jagex has picked all their player mods, they have done a good job so far, and they should be the only ones to decide who is a player moderator, and who is not. They know what they are doing.

 

 

 

I also agree with all of Makoto_the_Phoenix's arguments.

 

 

 

Handing abusable powers to some one that nobody knows or respects is just foolish, if you have never got past lvl 50 in a skill how are you going to do your job well?

 

Now you seem to be showing favoritism to the high level players and well known players. I can assure you that being high level or being famous in NO way whatsoever makes a person more capable of being a player mod, or even more deserving of that job. Level, nor popularity is not a way to determine maturity, helpfulness, politeness, or any other good aspects of the ideal player moderator. While there is a good chance that the more "skilled" a player is, the more mature they are, it is not always a sure thing. I have seen many players who are lower in skill level but are light-years ahead of other high levels in terms of maturity, politeness, and helpfulness.

this could work....but then everyone who isn't close to a player mod would have no shot at becoming one?

Just keep in mind that P-mods are ideally the representatives of Jagex. Which is why they choose the P-mods themselves.

 

 

 

By implementing this, existing P-mods would become the middle-man in recruiting.

As a forum mod for coming upto a year I would have to say no, if it was publically stated that "thes players can recomend moderators" their gaming would be hell.

 

 

 

You would be amazed with the amount of PM's I get from total strangers trying to be my friend for what turns out to be no other reason than thining I can get them modded...... it is encdibaly selfish, not not very reliable.

 

 

 

Although I have not seen English in a few months, I do know him... and last time i was talking to him via private he was not a moderartor, although i have no way of knowing why there probaly are reasons as to why (no matetr how small).

 

 

 

Also i know LGH (lordGreyHawk), he is a great guy and I have alot of respect for his power as a moderator, and as a person...... great person and great moderator, but he is no better than any other forum mod for knowing what a good moderator was made of.

 

 

 

If this system did exist, there is no reason why all the moderators could not suggest...... after all the final say will be with Jagex, so does it matter who says it?

 

 

 

I understand from your other thread in rants you have run into a few bad player mods, but may i remind you there are over 6,000 player mods, there is no way that you will not find some bad ones in the group no matter how they are selected.

 

 

 

The current way that i know mods are selected by is very strong, and the issues that are possible to find are found. Yes mistakes are found later on, but no matter of searching att he time would have made a differnce.

 

 

 

Jagex wound make any old player a mod.... we do have to keep alot of infomation confidentail the same as any group of moderators on any game or forum would have to do..... they put alot of thought into each and every moderator, and they are not selected unless every member of the curator team involved with recruitment agrees that it is a good move.

As a forum mod for coming upto a year I would have to say no, if it was publically stated that "thes players can recomend moderators" their gaming would be hell.

 

 

 

You would be amazed with the amount of PM's I get from total strangers trying to be my friend for what turns out to be no other reason than thining I can get them modded...... it is encdibaly selfish, not not very reliable.

 

 

 

Although I have not seen English in a few months, I do know him... and last time i was talking to him via private he was not a moderartor, although i have no way of knowing why there probaly are reasons as to why (no matetr how small).

 

 

 

Also i know LGH (lordGreyHawk), he is a great guy and I have alot of respect for his power as a moderator, and as a person...... great person and great moderator, but he is no better than any other forum mod for knowing what a good moderator was made of.

 

 

 

If this system did exist, there is no reason why all the moderators could not suggest...... after all the final say will be with Jagex, so does it matter who says it?

 

 

 

I understand from your other thread in rants you have run into a few bad player mods, but may i remind you there are over 6,000,000 player mods, there is no way that you will not find some bad ones in the group no matter how they are selected.

 

 

 

The current way that i know mods are selected by is very strong, and the issues that are possible to find are found. Yes mistakes are found later on, but no matter of searching att he time would have made a differnce.

 

 

 

Jagex wound make any old player a mod.... we do have to keep alot of infomation confidentail the same as any group of moderators on any game or forum would have to do..... they put alot of thought into each and every moderator, and they are not selected unless every member of the curator team involved with recruitment agrees that it is a good move.

 

6 million player mods?, recheck that for me :wink:

Well i think it might work...but if they asked to be modded i don't think they should...any ways i'm 50-50 for the idea

6 million player mods?, recheck that for me :wink:

 

 

 

6 thousand..... 6 million whos counting :P :oops:

6 million player mods?, recheck that for me :wink:

 

 

 

6 thousand..... 6 million whos counting :P :oops:

 

 

 

if it was 6m, mods would outweigh non-mods :P

6 million player mods?, recheck that for me :wink:

 

 

 

6 thousand..... 6 million whos counting :P :oops:

 

 

 

if it was 6m, mods would outweigh non-mods :P

 

there's a problem with that...?

 

the current system's fine, sure a few bad mods get in, but nothing is perfect.

I doubt this would work as high levels and well known people arent always mature and rule following.

I believe the current system is okay. I see a lot more nice mods to bad mods and any bad power abusing mods would be reported quickly which I can trust Jagex handles such reports seriously. Such a system may mean hell to a pmod the second they put private chat on. :|

Actually I prefer lower level mods to all the "famous" people you mentioned. Mainly because I find higher level people that you mentioned to be the most selfish and least helpful. Who would you rather be a player mod, the level 126 in the corner which his chat off fletching for a level 99, not noticing anybody. Or the level 73 just going about his business and playing the game more for fun than anything else?

What about the people that are already mods? I'm not at all well-known, am I fired from the pmod team? I believe Jagex has a good system for choosing moderators already.

Player Moderator have a common thing about us. They are humans. Jagex choose their Player Mods well. They are angry for several reason. Probobly because a noob tick him off.

 

 

 

Jagex is wanting trustworthy of using the Mod's power, but yet to acquire these it to behave correctly. They do behave correctly, but the players making their jobs worse.

 

 

 

They are humans too, they can be angry anytime. If somebody needs help and ask a PMODs. Yet the Mod doesn't answer. Go ask somebody else, they are just busy or doesn't want to talk.

Well if it was like that from the beginning, my friend would have been a player mod forever. he is so nice to everyone, then he gets perm banned for "RL trading" when he let his friend borrow 2m cash... Jagex needs to fix its piece of garbage detection systems, and it report/appeal function. (he got a freaking auto message, and now his acc is gone for good.. makes me want to blow up Jagex for its stupidity)

Well if it was like that from the beginning, my friend would have been a player mod forever. he is so nice to everyone, then he gets perm banned for "RL trading" when he let his friend borrow 2m cash... Jagex needs to fix its piece of garbage detection systems, and it report/appeal function. (he got a freaking auto message, and now his acc is gone for good.. makes me want to blow up Jagex for its stupidity)

Ive had 2 lvl 126 friends banned the same way, in stupid circumstances.

 

one friend laoned another a red party hat he GAVE IT BACK then got banned for real world item trading..

 

If he bought a red party hat for some insane ammount of cash he surely wouldnt just give it back..

 

Jagex are [wagon]es.

notice how all the people defending the fact that there is tonnes of low lvl pmods, are low levels, or are even a low level pmod themself.