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But you greatly increase Slayer experience, which is the main goal of Slayer.

Gee, you think? It might be a good idea to read my posts. 5 minute test isn't going to be enough to overturn around 80 hours of cannon vs. melee, so I guess you'd better rethink that route. Never seen numbers from any other slayer, so you'll have to ask them to send me details of rates with and without, as well as specifics as to costs (prices change) and experience gained per skill plus statics like banking time. Your 80 hours is nothing compared to my 1,456 hours of testing. Prove me wrong. You can find my results in a post I made in Help & Advice a year ago, but I'm not going to find it for you because that would make things too easy. In other words, post your goddamn results. I cannot find them between pages 7 and 36. Read Zarfot's guide for rates. Since you've agreed that you're arguing a cannon to be slower than not using one, I'll assume that you are attempting to troll. No mentally competent player would argue that. You're either stupid or having a good laugh. I'll assume all of the above.

So again, where are your numbers saying anything about a cannon? I haven't seen a single figure even remotely relating to efficiency calculations coming from you. Care to back up your 'facts', or are you simply spouting opinions? Am I to assume that your argument is that slaying with a cannon is slower and less efficient than slaying without one? I'd just like to clarify. Perhaps I'll humor you and do a five minute test. Or you can ask any good Slayer, but that'd be much too difficult for you.

This sounds like a lot of fun. I might try it.

I got this twitter update on my phone this morning and my first thought was Mahjarrat.

All you're doing is deliberately making it difficult for anyone to argue against you. It's not that you're right, you've just buried your statistics and evidence in 40 pages of dribble. If you were really so confident, you'd post everything on the front page. Also, I find it extremely laughable that you honestly believe your methods to be efficient in any way. I don't need numbers or tables to tell you that using a cannon is faster than not using one. If you're not aware of that, I can only assume that you've not done the quest for the cannon, or perhaps you have done it, and just never used it. Which is it, O Lord of Debate? Zarfot wrote an end-all guide to Slayer, and you're claiming that he is wrong. I'm afraid that your level of 85 is pitiful compared to his 30m experience. You can't even kill Dark Beasts, what the hell gives you the right to argue that slayer is poor experience? ^If you don't recognize that, it's similar to the argument you used against me when we discussed combat familiars.

Please don't. I don't want this thread to buried in an avalanche of spam. As it is, people are forced to read the thread to obtain my rates, something they should be doing anyway. We'll get far to many posters coming in with "LULZ UR MELEEING DEMONS IDIOT LULZ", as we've already seen. Bottom line: Read and understand ALL of my thread, or don't waste my and everyone elses time with an uninformed post. Then perhaps you should look more carefully. I've already explained why I'm not simply throwing out an XP rate, it'll simply give people like you free reign to come in, read the last few posts and flame without a single fact to back them up. I read the entire thread once when I first found it a long time ago, and again recently. It's a simple exp rate, and you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult. In a debate, you cannot simply cite a reference and then chastise your opponent for not reading your library of cluttered research. It's also extremely odd that NO ONE can find these rates of yours, even Ydrasil who was there when you posted them. Organize your damn thoughts in a single post. It is not hard. All we need is a table of numbers, not your explanations and blah blah blah. I'd bet that 3/4 of that text is you throwing around snide comments and belittling your opponent for no reason other than enlarging your E-member.

Close, it's "quand-esque vous allez avoir quatre-vingt dix neuf Pourfondeur?" French conjugation and grammar is ridiculous. oh and the answer: JAMAIS! :twisted: D'oh! I totally used the wrong verb. #-o Thanks for the correction! I'm slowly learning. :) EDIT: Oh god, AND I conjugated it incorrectly. I get a week off from school and I forget everything. My French professor is going to kill me.

You kill spectres with karils and a unicorn. That's about as inefficient as you can get. You're a step up from the guy killing spectres in full rune. You can brag about your internet connection and PR0 ZMI RUNZ all you want, but in the end, you're still a terrible Slayer. Again, read Zarfot's guide. It's quite informative. I would like to hear a detailed argument as to why slaying spectres in karils with a unicorn is infinitely more efficient than killing them with a cannon, prayer, and combat familiar/macaw. I've read through your thread, and I've read through pages 7 to 36 or wherever your horribly ambiguous directions tell us to look. There is a simple figure that you can give us that requires a line or two of text: the max experience rate for YOUR method of killing spectres vs. the max experience rate for Zarfot's (well, pretty much any Slayer who knows what he's doing) method. Should be incredibly simple to give us that little bit of information which, quite conveniently, I cannot find.

Duradel is the best all around. I do miss troll tasks, however. I would recommend switching to Duradel.

Black demons are a long task, but they're great experience and summoning experience. Cancel irons and steels, kill baby black dragons in the chaos tunnels, mithrils are a short task, so they're not that bad, though I'm not sure what your stats are. Slay on. :thumbup:

With slayer, it's not just equipment that matters. It's how you slay, how you pick up drops, moving as fast as possible to attain the best rates possible. At your level the tasks are fairly easy. You have to ask yourself if you're doing relaxed slayer like Compfreak, or efficient and fast slayer like Ydrasil and I. I use Sumona... And i'm relaxed. But then again I'm relaxed at zombies. \ And I have seen compfreak do aviansies at least, and that was efficient and fast >.> There's no arguing that zombies are easier than slayer. Much easier, but you don't get slayer experience killing zombies (unless you happen to be on a zombies task from Tureal before doing Smoking Kills.) Once you can use Duradel, you'll see a big difference. Avianses are great for money, but you don't get slayer experience, summoning experience, or melee experience.

Très bien, monsieur. Quand vous faisons avoir quatre-vingt-dix neuf Pourfondeur? ;) OH GOD I HOPE I DID THAT RIGHT.

With slayer, it's not just equipment that matters. It's how you slay, how you pick up drops, moving as fast as possible to attain the best rates possible. At your level the tasks are fairly easy. You have to ask yourself if you're doing relaxed slayer like Compfreak, or efficient and fast slayer like Ydrasil and I.

How clever and witty of you. You can argue about whip hits and picking up drops all you want, but I'm still getting my tasks done in half the time, which means I'm either hacking the game or you're just a horribly inefficient slayer. I'm not terribly surprised anymore by your stupid arguments. Time yourself doing a spectres task your way, and then do it my way. You'll spend more time running around with mine and Ydrasil's method, but you'll cut your time in half. This is exactly like our combat familiars argument. You can argue about how you'll lose whip hits and blah blah blah all you want, but in the end, I'm still getting my tasks done faster than you.

And Ydrasil proved a few posts up that a cannon is most certainly worth using. I don't know about you, but I prefer to get things done quickly in Runescape, and if that means spending a little more money to get a task done in twenty minutes rather than an HOUR, I will opt for the cannon. As far as I'm concerned, you haven't proven anything other than Armored Zombies are great melee experience and that you're terrible at slaying. I'm still optimistic that Slayer is better experience overall.

no u

How do you say that in Dutch? When I see two English/American people trying to speak English it's painful. (Based on two of the 'average' rs players). As an American, I agree with this statement. It's not just Runescape. EDIT: Thank you, Bauke.

I was extremely interested in this whole discussion until I read this. You seriously slay spectres with Karil's and a unicorn? Seriously? There is a very good reason why you are not getting very good Slayer rates, and this quote sums it up nicely. . . . REALLY? Karil's?! UNICORN?! No cannon, I presume? It takes me 20 minutes to do a spectres task. How long does it take you, an hour? Two? Read Zarfot's guide. I think you'd really benefit. I'm afraid that on the subject of Slayer, I just can't take you seriously anymore. I'm baffled. Shocked. You're supposed to be the efficiency man, the naysayer of Slayer, the 10 billion hours of PvP combat, the fight pits master! How in the world did this happen, Comp? 69 pages of arguing back and forth, and this could have been solved had you just admitted to being a horribly inefficient Slayer on the first sentence of the first post. Now I'm extremely curious. I want to know your blocked task list and your methods for slaying every single slayer monster that isn't on that block list. I don't need inventories, I just need protect pray/no protect pray, whip/ss, etc. Basic stuff. I refuse to believe that a man who revels in debate is so clueless of as to what he's debating.

Zanaris hurts my eyes. I'm looking forward to both the graphics update and the quest.

I'M NOT DEAD Also, the... blame? shame? name? I forget.

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The artwork is badass.

And to think that we had what, 10 pages of people moaning about not getting a DD for another year?