sees_all1

Revenants do not represent F2P Pkers. No F2Per ever hit 30+ at a distance, or even consistently hit above 20. No F2Per ever had teleblock, or a freeze for longer than 5 seconds. Any PKer would be stopped by the aggressive spiders in a single way combat. Revenants are not. Stay with us compfreak - this is f2p. No black d'hide. Just green. Most a F2Per ever hit with range was 18 - mage was 16 - and melee was a rare 33. Revenants are overpowered in F2P.

Idk - correct me if I'm wrong. But Noob is from Newbie, as in beginner. I think that the word has evolved to such a point where its just the all encompassing insult. You know, where "Stupid, U Noob" can just hit through any armour, straight to the core. Most of the time the person I call noob is being annoying, or is actually a beginner... If you see me in GOP saying, "Noob, off!" - it probably mean just that, get off my orb because you have no idea what you're doing, hence noob. But remember, until you reach cmb level 60, you're still a noob (unless you're a skiller/have a main.)

Ftw. As much time as I spend on my posts, I should probably spend the same amount on my signature. But now that you pointed it out, its more of a pride thing... I won't change it. Bread ftw.

idk wut u tink guyz cus i dink dat dis grammer stuff izn't cul an all cuz ne1 ken understand wtf is i says u knows nehow i lik 2 typ lik dis jus 4 da record jus 2 pruv a point dat grammer an stuff iz importnt an u relly ned it lemme jus pont out wich off u guyz serisly ned to bck off and stuff an lt tis pur man b. dont flme an stuff mi badd grammer stuff cuz u no dat i no dat u no evry1 dose tis alwayz. o an rite now i be fishn 4 swordfish. If you could understand the gibberish above, either you're a freaking genius or a freaking [developmentally delayed]... I'm not sure which. If you couldn't read it, then I'm sure its point proven. You may understand what you've written, but if in 6 months you come back to it, and you say, wtf is this [cabbage], then your grammar wasn't good enough, and everyone else probably thinks you're a freaking [developmentally delayed]. Oh, and to the supposed main point of this thread, no, users should not be allowed to remove posts on their threads. If I spend 15 minutes on a post, and that post gets deleted without a good reason, you better believe I'm going to be angry. With your problem, you may want to think before you post, read, and reread, and if anything doesn't sound good, rewrite. It may take some time, but you'll definitely see less of - LEARN FREAKING ENGLISH .

1000 f2p sounds like a good goal. 99 str 70 RC all stats (other than def) above 60.

You can figure out how much raw income they get from F2P and P2P, but when you try and go into costs it gets crazy. F2P may mean they require more servers and more support staff, but it also means they have to spend less on advertising and gives them economies of scale. If you consider it a marketing tool then if it actually makes money then that is a bonus. @zaaps1 - True, there may be more f2p worlds. But lets remember that P2P can use those too (usually for pvp stuffs). @me - What support staff? :P

I made a graph too. It literally took me 10 mins fudging around in excel. Their data doesn't seem to be legit.

I still have not seen the source for the data, I'm still very skeptical of it. Especially because it looks like the graphs and such were made in MS Excel 2007 - it's very easy to make pretty graphs that have proof. Unless of course I see the source with the raw data, and see exactly where the numbers came from, I certainly would not swear on this. The source for the images are from MechScapeWorld - btw this is another fan site. Nothing from this seems credible - some crappy graphs made on MS Excel, posted to another Jagex fansite... Pretty sketch IMO.

Do you have proof?

I HATE WHEN PEOPLE TALK LIKE THIS YOU SHOULD USE BOLD OR UNDERLINE BUT NOT LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE YELLING WHICH YOU PROBabLY ARE BUT WHO CARES KK UNDERSTAND? My only problem with the imp is its impossible to play the Great Orb Project when everyone has their imps out - you can't click anywhere.

This idea that F2P doesn't get Jagex money is absurd, and even if it wasn't, this point is not to be made - See my first post. If you want to rant about how F2Pers just feed off the money of members, make a rant. I don't care, but don't post something that was already deemed "null and void". Jagex will concern itself with its own profits/loses - you don't have to for them. That's great - what is F2P that you are surprised was released F2P? Once again, this thread is more than "What P2P content should F2P get?" - there's also "What F2P content shouldn't have been F2P" or "What are you surprised is F2P?" And also the debate that follows off of that.

Get a decent combat level, and some basic skills, at least 30's on most things. Or, you could get 99 on everything and then join, that way you're sure not to waste any membership time on f2p stuff :thumbsup:

Then, to make your posts worthwhile, what is something you're surprised that Jagex keeps giving F2P, or that you think should be exclusively members? This wasn't meant to be another Why can't F2P have ... !?! - there are more discussion points than that.

No... except I wrote it. Seriously though, I like your fail. =D> Lemme see what I can get for you. How about a nice slice of failcake? As far as more bank space goes, I think 68 spaces is plenty for non holiday / random items. Once you start adding in clothing sets, 68 gets filled up very quickly. I could live with 40 spaces if we had some sort of place to store the random sets. I'm not sure I agree with F2P skill capes. I like the idea that skill capes have to be obtained in members, and can be equipped and unequipped in F2P; that doesn't bother me. In fact, I believe this should be the way with most members items, as long as they retain their membership; or Jagex gives people a 30 day grace period.

Did you open the gate? It worked for me on my nub acct. -sees.

Except it isn't, did you even read the first post? This thread is to foster discussion on what they should, and shouldn't have gotten, and reasons why. If you're not going to post in a constructive manner, I suggest you don't post.

ib4tl. def noob. :lol:

Are you saying that if you don't touch anything, you'll get random points?

I'm sure you all know about the 1k+ posts and the 19k+ views of "Why can't F2P have ... ?!" Probably most of you are thinking - sheesh dude, just pony up the $5 a month and quit whining. Most of you also have heard the argument that advertisements get Jagex revenue too - some of you may agree with that, or disagree. It doesn't matter, consider both of those points null and void in this thread. What improvements could be made to F2P to make it as fun as fun as possible? What current P2P content could be released to F2P, without destroying the balance? What current F2P content should only be P2P? What in F2P has grossly been neglected, and regardless should be fixed? Once again, I do not want to hear anything about how f2p should just pay the $5 a month and shut up. To my ideas. -Jagex could release the current wave spells, entangle, and perhaps some of the high level curse spells, which would fix F2P maging. -Jagex could make the chaos alter F2P without having an averse effect on P2P -Jagex could make rune arrows, and up to blue d'hide F2P without having an averse effect on P2P. This would strengthen the combat triangle. -I am surprised that the Great Orb Project is F2P. Seems to me that this minigame and it's rewards are pretty hot stuff for F2P. -I am surprised that Jagex introduces P2P quests through holiday events, and allows F2Pers to participate. -I am surprised that Fist of Guthix is F2P. The armour rewards are now trash, but the gloves are pretty decent. Begin the debate. EDIT: I don't want to see anymore of "Nothing, because its f2p". If you can't learn to contribute to the discussion, I suggest you not post here. EDIT2: F2P is not a demo... if you feel it is, you should take that up with Jagex's CEO, and not this thread. EDIT3: removed some excess spaces (this thread was made before the forum changeover, and I think all newlines were doubled)

I have 62/68 spots used in my f2p bank. 40 of them are currently used for holiday/random items. Diango still has about 10-15 items on him. Are you suggesting that we need more items that I can't fit in my bank? I like my emotes! I can't run out of space for emotes. You can run out of bank space. You have 1 spot for a cape. If every holiday item needed to be equipped to use the emote, you wouldn't see any holiday emotes. The one plus thing I have to say for you is that those holiday items show off how long you've played the game, where emotes necessarily don't.

since this isn't in the rants... and the guidelines don't apply yet... suck it up. Seriously - people will chew through you because you merchant... so much the better that you found out the hard way that there's risk involved. Nice ftl though.

That's just because of the size.... meh. http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/ ... es_2-1.png try that.

I should probably get in on this. Forum Name: Sees_all1 RS Name: Sees_all1 http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/ ... 1trans.png

How about if you could set your holiday items - then the skele suit, santa suit, warlord suit, chicken suit ... ffs there's a lot... would all fit nicely in 4 bank spots. And also if you could lend sets out, that would be awesome.

I actually bought a santa hat before Halloween, knowing how seasonal's are. I had to buy in a junk trade for 14.6 million, leaving me with ~400k. When they announced that there would be a santa suit, I was like, baller jumpin son. But then it caused me anxiety - what if suit included hat? Then my 14.6 million investment would be worthless. Big sigh of relief when I completed the quest, and low and behold there was no hat. Before the quest I had a hard sell point at 21 million - if it ever reached it. Now I think I might raise that a little, 25 million. Either way immediately after I'm buying h'ween masks :thumbsup: . Thinking back though, I could've merchanted in my regular fashion for that entire period of time, and I would have upwards of 30 million right now... meh.