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Racheya ONCE AGAIN showing her lack of logic skills. Please just stop with all the fallicies, if you wish to retain any semblance of both impartiality (which personally I think you've blown) and reasoning ability. I'll post a myriad of examples later. 1.) What your definition is, is actually rather irrelevant. If you are going to write an article about a subject, you need to find out what the REAL, or ACCEPTED definition is. Going by the timing, and content of your article, I will assume that it was written at least in part in answer to the "efficiency" thread on TIF. As such, you really need to use a GOOD definition of efficiency, which was stated numerous times as gp/xp/time. I can argue any side quite easily if I mis define the terms which the other side is using, part of the reason why in debate one of the first things done is to define the terms in the resolution, as well as other common terms to be used. 2.) You continue to assume that efficiency is IMPOSSIBLE to attain' date=' without being bored. SIMPLY NOT TRUE. Citation needed to prove this is true of efficient players. 5.) It does' date=' according to my style of play. I am an achievement player. Making, meeting, and exceeding goals is what I play for, in large part. If I achieve more, for less, in a shorter amount of time, then other players, I AM better, by definition. The definition of Better is, among other things: To surpass or exceed, More highly skilled or adept, More useful, suitable, or desirable. Hmm. Once again, I am better in the game. This has nothing to do with my real life standing, my "worth", etc. 9.) Do you really mean this? So, you are for allowing anything, as long as it is in the rules? I should hold you to this. From now on, you have NO excuse to complain against anything which is within RS rules, and Jagex ToS. No more complaining about 76k'ers, rushers, etc. 10.

That depends on how much money you can make... Though, considering nature rune prices :) READ And yes, pure efficiency takes into account gp/xp/time. If it takes you 50 hours to get 99 RC ZMI, and you profit 1m, 70 hours to 99 graahking, and you profit 6m, then you can factor out which is more efficient, depending on your other top money makers. You can easily find out whether or not it is efficient. There is no possible way you can argue against that with any credibility. In this example, if you can make more then 7m in 20 hours, or 350k gp/hr, then ZMI would be the more efficient choice. NOTE: I DIDN'T FACTOR IN ENJOYMENT. THAT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE. You can chose to be less efficient if you want. My main caveat is:if you claim your way is better when its not (DFS v defender)

Sorta, but what I was saying is that you can have the same goal in some aspects, but not all, which makes them different. For example a person who does all nats with 99 RC, and a person who does ZMI to 99 RC have different goals. The end goal may be to get 99, but the additional goals, such as making money, or faster xp, are factors that make each goal different. You can't say doing all Nats for more GP is inefficient compared to doing ZMI for faster XP since they both have separate goals in addition to 99. Now, if you were to compare two players, who both want 99 and to make as much money getting 99 as possible. If one player does fire runes to 99, and does nature runes, the player doing fire runes would be inefficient in comparison to the person making nature runes. This is because getting as much GP as possible for 99 was his/her goal. A person who does slayer for the maximum XP per hour, is not more efficient than a person who trains slayer for the maximum GP per hour, since the goal is different. The person who is trying to get the most GP per hour using slayer is less efficient than a person who is killing green dragons, because they both have the same goal. One person is using a slower method for that goal, so he/she is inefficient. If a person is training slayer for both GP and because they enjoy training slayer, they are not any more/less efficient than any of the above situations because none of them have the complete same goal. Comparing someone who likes doing something and someone doing it to achieve a goal of speed or GP is like comparing apples and oranges. You can't compare them and cant say one is less/more efficient than the other. You can say that RCing nats for 99 RC is inefficient though, if they are doing it for money. Purely speaking, ZMI to 99 RC and then money making is far more efficient then graakhing to 99 RC. But if you enjoy Rcing nats, then enjoyment takes over pure efficiency. And yes, pure efficiency takes into account gp/xp/time. If it takes you 50 hours to get 99 RC ZMI, and you profit 1m, 70 hours to 99 graahking, and you profit 6m, then you can factor out which is more efficient, depending on your other top money makers. You can easily find out whether or not it is efficient. There is no possible way you can argue against that with any credibility. In this example, if you can make more then 7m in 20 hours, or 350k gp/hr, then ZMI would be the more efficient choice. NOTE: I DIDN'T FACTOR IN ENJOYMENT. THAT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE. You can chose to be less efficient if you want. My main caveat is:if you claim your way is better when its not (DFS v defender) If you slay for money, you are being inefficient. However, when you factor in things like rank, (I slay after 99 for ranks), charms, combat xp, enjoyment, and slayer xp, then you aren't.

I think you are trolling more by being an idiot, but I might be mistaken and you just are incapable of understanding. You've been given the benefit of the doubt long enough. You continue to confuse separate factors. Multiple methods may be efficient. Chinning mummies in the CT isn't efficient, but ranging frosties or chinning monkeys are both efficient ways to directly train prayer, whilst TD'in yields range xp, whilst also yielding profit. All efficient, just different methods. BTW: I trained 100% of the way from 75-99 FM with magic logs or Eucs, back when I was making less gp/hr. Also, dks are INCREDIBLY consistent 4-4.5m gp/hr (depending on bones/hides/rings/axe GE price) with a guaranteed 1m+ gp/hr just in hides/bones. Frosties are always at least 3m gp/hr for me, even ranging. TD's I average 40+ kills/hr with claws being 1-325. So that is also around 3m gp/hr just in claws, ignoring charms, and effigies. Herb runs, MTK, etc all boost GP gain as well. As for where you trolled, once example is your continually asking for either proof, or guides, or examples, and when they are given, you laugh them off saying " I don't need those" ^san Obtaurian.

herbal tea made with ranarrs is the sht, yo. I prefer snapdragon tea, and torstol poltice.

Ely might have, but divine is strong still.

We are talking ONLY about efficiency on this thread JHC. At least 4 people have mentioned this as being xp/gp/time. WE ARE NOT FACTORING IN FUN HERE. Fun isn't part of the equation. That is an outside equation used to determine whether or not you want to be completely efficient, or mix what YOU decide is fun for some slight loss in speed. However, they are not always mutually exclusive. Sometimes being 100% efficient IS the most fun. Personally, I only solo graador to try and get a hilt/bcp/tassies for enjoyment. Its not efficient. My favorite bosses, DKS, TDS, and favorite monster, frosties, I hunt because I enjoy them, in part because of the massive ammounts of GP I can reap. I don't enjoy team GWD because its boring, inefficient, and getting no splits, or only a few m in a 4-5 hour trip SUCKS. We factor in enjoyment, but when talking about pure efficiency, FUN ISN'T FACTORED IN. As a none scientific factor, which can't be either tested or qualified, FUN is personal, and subjective. Anything you say to the contrary shows your continued tendency to troll, Hairy. What I've said has been stated and restated multiple times. To burn 50k more logs would take me between 40-45 hours, IIRC. In that time I could have made over 150 MILLION. And gained other XP, and effigies, etc. So you see, magic logs ARE more efficient, for some players.

O M G G-Master quest! That is what I was wanting. NEW BOSS PLZZZZ and hopefully a decent new way to train hunter, hate that skill x.x And AFN, you are full of it. WGS wasn't hard because of the boss, but rather the length, the story, the puzzles, AND the boss. You don't need a hard boss to have an excellent quest. I just want a new boss, and a great, WGS-esq quest.

America is the land where anyone can start off low and end high. That is the American dream. Somepeople want America to be where everyone ENDS at the same spot, eg various forms of socializsm. If happens, there isn't much hope to go on, unless you can work around it. If that happened, "who is John Galt". I'd try and stop the motor of the world.

Ye, in GE. But more of interested is in how long they will hold a high (from 75-100% of current) street price.

You wouldn't be able to waste any, it would have said "nothing interesting happens" when you tried to use torstol on you x pot (4)

my first post said that i am primarily concerned with speed and that often speed and efficiency coincide i think you should gtfo because all you are obviously refusing to read what people say Just ignore him, he's been doing that for pages now.

DGE WAS 137-138 combat, back when it was 80 DG to join. IDK if its the same anymore, but they normally want higher combat.

Exactly, the 2 reasons I got CLS 2nd instead of maul was because I have divine. I'll be getting CM next. CLS+defender<CR+defender @ bandos, but you lose shield, and CLS+shield>CR+shield @ bandos.

Salmoneus has the BEST quest guides I've ever used, at least up 'til about a year ago, from which time I haven't had any difficult quests to do. They are far too slow to release guides though. Their forums are also rather full off noobs.

Way to completely miss the point. The point is, to some, being fun IS being efficient, and vis-versa.

Few enough people do this for higher end items, comparatively, and there is sufficient volume of low-end items to counteract any significant, outside of temporary, market fluctuation. As well, the benefits far outweigh the problem.

Ye, Sept. was almost pure meh, outside elite diaries (which were, for the most part, meh) Hopefully, some nice updates.

You keep on giving advice about which you know nothing, particularly the utility of an archer ring. Although the OP might be better of selling it, to say "it's not really worth having" is pure BS.

I'd get the pet if I CBF'ed to play 5000000 hours of SW to get.

Thats true, but never underestimate the amount people will pay for pure aesthetics. Crown was far more visible as well. Although, I don't care too much for Fury kits looks.

You do know that BP actually wasn't directly responsible for the Deepwater Horizion rig?

Everything will once crash, assuming you allow enough time. It's extremely unlikely, however, that fury kits will crash any time soon as the ge price for them is REALLY low. It really doesn't matter how rare they are from clues as the clues themselves are really rare and it's very cheap to hold on to these. These kits are clearly the best rewards from elite clues in terms of street value as it's convenient to hold it in low value items that can be traded in bulk- you can easily buy a blue hat or even a cracker for fury kits, you can't, however, do it in divine spirit shields. I'd say that they will reach atleast 10m before crashing, which, at this rate, could be another month or two. They may retain street value for quite some time, but I don't see them as being anywhere near this high for too terribly long. Much of the demand is truly artificial, although I believe fury kits are both more rare, and have a higher demand then crowns had.

yes

If they are leeching off society its one thing, however if they won the lotto and can financially support their habit who are you to judge them? Or even if they live with their parents who are you to call them a leech? If they can support themselves or live with someone who can then i see no problem with playing 10 hours a day. Not supporting yourself = being a leech. If you are unable, that is a different story. If you are unwilling, you are a loser.