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I think you miss the point. Gays actually use the term in their own language and it is not considered disrespectful to call a homosexual as gay. (Although call Rock Hudson gay would probably earn you a short trip to a hospital). In an online game, to try to use this as an offensive word, tells you more about the user rather than the receiver.

Personally I have never reported anyone except scammers and macroers. I think that the idiot that decided to report this should get a black mark for being over sensitive. Being called "Gay" is no worse than being called "noob".

Attempting to evade the censor is considered a worse offence than actually using offensive remarks. I would give an extra black mark for not being mature enough to accept that you were incontrovertibly wrong.

I have no drop count but I have killed many thousands and have never got a mith plate.

Personally Idid a lot of my lower level training at white knights. Upstairs where the prison cells are. When I reached about 55 level I went to lessers and only trained on ice giants at about 70. The most important point is that for better range xp you need to have a high combat level so that the monsters do not hurt you as much . The best range xp is gained from ice giants when you are combat 115 so the ice warriors are no longer agressive at all so maybe the best idea for range is to work on your melee (?). The bank for ice giants is a long way for f2p which is why white knights are better as there are chickens to kill and a range so you do not have to leave the castle when you run out of food.

The sure fire way to get a price rise is to create a thread like this. I will be off to the GE myself and start buying a few thousand nats now that you say they are so low in price. I will not be the only one and hey presto let us see if the price has not risen 1 week from now. (I might be wrong though). Natures will always be in high demand as mage levelling is done most efficiently with them so the price drop is probably just a temporary thing.

I joined as part of the mini clip generation in 2006. However I am a more than mature player (45 years old at last count). I play as a free player. I have 3 children aged 6, 10 and 16. The six year old has absolutely no interest in runescape as it is too difficult to understand and "get into". The 16 year old has better things to do in real life. The 10 year old likes to know what I am doing but still cannot see why I might find it interesting. My children are entirely normal and I see that their reactions are pretty typical of their age group. I see no evidence of vast numbers of 8 - 12 year olds playing. JAGeX would have to change a little more than provide warning signs and tutors before most children would become fans. In general all the changes made appear to be geared towards all players that are new and need as much help as they can get. Do you forget how much time you wasted wandering aimlessly about Lumby swamps or trying to sell 5 airs in a bank etc? The skills introduced recently ie construction and summoning cannot in any way be seen as geared to any one but people with good knowledge and experience of the game. As for the GE. This is a brilliant introduction and has released people to do skilling rather than typing for hours on end. Merchanting relied heavily on using newbs to get products cheap and then selling them high to experienced players. This could be called exploitation. GE investment is using intelligence, logic, psychology, intuition, mathematics. luck, experience and research. Try teaching GE methods to an average 12 year old who has only just started simple algebra at school. It all makes me wonder whether you are just another person ranting about the December updates 6 months on?

I agree that it would be insanely easy for JAGeX to add this line to thequickchat and makes 100% sense. I guess that they will eventually because it is so bleeding obvious. I am intrigued though that you appear to be saying you got black marked for reporting liars in air altar because this would be even more stupid from JAGeX. Is this true?

I really cannot see this feature being used much at all. I lose my connection approx once per hour and get logged out. What would happen to my mate who was fighting a dragon with my borrowed sgs or whatever? I guess he would be left with trying to kick it to death. (Please excuse the errors in my example as I am pure f2p and know not alot about swords and dragons). Crash? No Beggars? Oh yes

I do not hate pures but I do not trust them. Prior to the December updates I could not understand why someone would make a woodcutting or fishing or mining pure unless it was so they could fund the main by drop trading etc. This would also mean multiple logging. Both of these are part of the reason for the necessary changes made in December. For the combat pures whose main function was to pk or stake I would be so bold as to suggest that alot of RWT was done since not all pures can be successful but cannot get their money through skilling. Of course there are more exceptions than rule breakers and I do understand that the true skiller pures ie those that train all non combat skills for the sheer level of accomplishment are most definitely not included in the above group. I always found it amusing that I never found a skill pure woodcutter etc that was able to show me any of the accumalated wealth that they must have generated. I wonder what they did with the money they earned?

Until the December updates and the release of the GE, and as a f2p, I had 15 million in bank. I had 99 mining and intended to spend the 15 mill on steel bars to raise my smithing to 91. However I tried to buy the steel bars at 550 each in the Fally bank with no luck. At that point buying a 99 skill was not an option for me as I could not afford it. Since the GE I now have 130 million, my smithing is level 94, I bought my cooking 99, I have bought about 25 runecrafting levels. In fact I no longer have to bank everything to save money and can afford to drop raw fish for example. My only interest is levelling all skills to 99 in f2p and I will use whatever is the most efficient method. I purchased cooking so that I could drop raw fish without guilt. I made worthless tiaras to become a 9 x assister runecrafter. In conclusion I would say that most skills are buyable (I now range with addy arrows for example) and since money can be made fairly readily there are very few skills that can be wholly respected 99s in f2p. So the skill everyone should train first is the making of money through the GE. I have been playing hardcore since Feb 2006 and hope to achieve all in Feb 2009. Without buyable skills that time would be doubled.

I also fished in Barbarian village then cooked and dropped until I was level 92 fish and 95 cook. When I reached those levels I changed tactic. I bought raw lobbies and cooked in GE and got 126k xp per hour. I then fished trout and salmon but dropped raws and got 40k fishing xp per hour. Obviously this cost a couple of million but I saved so much time that I could easily make the money back. I am now 99 cooking and 94 fishing and wish I had done this tactic from the time I stopped burning lobsters. BTW raw lobsters are only 308gp at the moment in GE which is about as low as I have seen for a long time.

Well I for one agree that this is not an original find. However it is nonetheless useful to players wanting to partially afk and is not that expensive. Tips like this need to be repeated from time to time so that newer forum members find out about them. I actually do repeat tips deliberately from time to time for this reason. So give the guy a break!

80 - 120k gp per hour running airs in world 16 is best money maker for lower levels in f2p

I have just finished going from 83 to 88 in f2p and have this to say. a. Runecrafting gloves are not good for xp since they take longer to get than save you time. Only get them if you already have tokens b. Making body tiaras and walking to and from Edgeville bank gets about 14k xp per hour c. Making earth tiaras and teleporting to Varrock from earth altar gets about 13.5k xp per hour. d. You should stock up on talismen at or below GE mid price for a few days before you start as if you try to get stock too quickly the price very quickly rises. e. Tiaras are easy to get at 45gp each but body talismen are more expensive than earth (220 v 150) f. Running runes is less than half as quick xp. g. I have 99 mining and woodcutting but 83 - 88 rc was the hardest most unenjoyable task I have ever set myself. Good Luck!

Laser demons aka Daleks!!! For the most efficient combat training you should really fight any monsters that are just over half your combat level. I fought white knights till level 80 then went to ice caves and lessers. But hey give it a go anyway! You will not die fighting just one or two anyway but will give you a taste of what is to come.

I got 126000 xp per hour with mith bars so divide that by the xp per mith bar.(sorry do not have access to that info from where I am). I think it was about 2400 bars per hour.

I was under the impression that levels were the only reason to play runescape. I guess that makes me a "level noob"

Earth gloves are pointless. The time it takes to get the 75 tokens plus the time to get to FOG etc mean that you should not play fog just to get the gloves. However if you already have tokens or enjoy the game then obviously use the gloves. I am trying to get from level 83 to 88 rc in f2p. After 2.5 weeks I have reached level 87 with 254k to go to 88 ( 9 x airs assist woot). The method I am using when not assisting is earth tiaras. You do have to click on each tiara and altar but this is ok. I also teleport back to Varrock. I have laws and fires in my inventory with 13 earth talismen and 13 plain tiaras. I wear no clothes. I carry an air staff for teleport. Following this method gives nearly 13.5k xp per hour as opposed to about 6k per hour for earth rune crafting ie more than twice as quick. Now some maths Costs for 1 million xp in 74 hours using tiaras :- 1. 781000gp for law runes (330 each for 2366 trips) 2. 35502gp for fire runes 3. 4.3 million for talismen at 140gp each (30769 needed) 4. 1.44 million for tiaras at 47gp each Total = 6.556 million less selling 30769 earth tiaras at 20gp each to shop = 615380gp Therefore cost is about 5.9 million However your mage level has also increased by 100000xp too. This might appear expensive but considering you just saved about 100 hours this time could be used to make more than this back. Anyway this works for me!!

This is the sort of guide that I have been dreading. I have made about 120 mill from GE since it started as a f2p which has freed me to do tasks that would normally be too slow as I did not want to lose money ie cook my own fish or smelt my own ores. I do not follow all these techniques but a couple of the major ones. I also use a couple not mentioned. The only disagreement I have is with the +1 method. What I have noticed is that prices for buying and selling are very often best put at round figures ie 5,10,15 etc. This is not for economic reasons but because we are human and mainly like order in our lives. This sort of thinking is as important to understand as any economic analysis. Now please kill this thread!!!!

What I meant is that the costs that have been calculated have been made by using data that is changing rapidly. If the poster decides to smith 10000 steel bars based on getting 670gp for each steel bar then he may be disappointed due to the fact that steel bars are dropping in price at the moment and when he sells the bars he will find that they may only be worth 620. I do take your point about superheating being a good option for non members. I smithed 1000 addy ores and 11000 mith ores using drops from cockroaches and bought coal. However I then turneg into platebodies and high alched so I made a huge loss.

Do not forget that steel bars are still dropping in value because of the "Rocking out" phenomenom. They peaked at over 800gp and two weeks later are down to 667gp. The price was between 600 - 630 prior to the release of the quest.

Unfortunately it might have been my eyes. Thats why I am questioning what I might or might not have seen. No one should wear the gloves but then alot of the players are not too used to this relatively new assist system.

Yes you lose addy arrows too!! However 100 tokens per hours is far too high. That means you should be playing one game every 6 mins approx. That assumes approx 12 tokens per game. However what about games losses? Getting logged out of system? Other players that are good at game too? Low levels who hunt first and take forever to kill you (or even just 6 minutes). Time taken to get to FOG in first place. My rating is 1535 but I still lose. Sorry I do not buy into that figure in the slightest.

The berserker degrades in about 5 hours and it takes a few days to get - Go figure. Remember also that you are not getting double your max hit while using just a small percentage increase. Runecrafting gloves degrade in about 1 hour. It takes even at my level (122) nearly 2 hours to get 75 tokens. I have never been killed by a revenant and do not feel the same sort of apprehension in wildy. In any case I always 3 item when mining now cos running is the only option. I am as a f2p player grateful for anything I get from JaGex and have been seriously pleased with GE but why have they made this game? If bounty hunter and Clan wars are supposed to give the same sort of situations as wildy did then this game is superfluous. If this game is supposed to give f2p a feel for the p2p version then it surely fails miserably or maybe it is a correct mirror in which case I am glad I have not been member. Surely if it is not designed to help make new friends? Thats plainly ridiculous!! Every single player has different reasons for playing. Mine is certaintly not to make friends (I am 45 years old). I enjoy the challenge of levelling in a challenging f2p environment. So what is the reason for this game? I bet you do not play it much now?