Eeeh. I tend to post stuff that most of this forum would probably hate, and thus get someone going nuts about me being "indie" or something like that. Yours are also good bands and it's nice to see them posted. I dislike how "post-hardcore" and "metalcore" have pretty much become synonymous with boy-band haircuts, overwrought lyrics and pop-punk riffs with a bit of screaming thrown in. Post-hardcore is like, a completely different genre to that. Metalcore too. It doesn't mean the music is necessarily bad or such, but this labellling of bands that clearly don't belong in the genre needs to stop. Hopefully soon. You'd probably enjoy Ling if you like TFoT and ATDI. It's like a crazy Japanese mix between the two, they have some real raw s**t as well. Lots of overdrive and crazy falsetto wailing.