BioIce

Very well. If you've never been to w61 dungeoneering then you wouldn't understand how she got 120 so fast. But never you mind - Isthatok said it's closed, so it's closed. Good day, sir.

Why not, it works with IRC why shouldn't it work in runescape.. Never been able to use any kind of item on your friend list, that's why. Until then, we're stuck with this. Meh.

So you want the ability to form a clan just by using the scroll on a name in your friend's list or something like, is that it? I don't think it's feasible.

Hell no. As for your potatoes, take them back to Valve. :thumbdown:

Anti-flood measure. The only way for cheaters to register a clan for the fancy clan cape is through multi-logging. Not like it'll stop the serious ones since there's at least one client that's coded in multilogging, but it will slow down the greedy lemming types. Or to get random people to help them found a clan, then just kick them off after it has been founded. Thus, free custom capes for the individual only. ;) It's always the simple things, innit. :rolleyes: EDIT: on another matter, does anyone know if the private clan forums are hosted on the same servers as the highscores/grand exchange/adventure log and whatnot? Because either three have a tendency to be...lacking at times.

Anti-flood measure. The only way for cheaters to register a clan for the fancy clan cape is through multi-logging. Not like it'll stop the serious ones since there's at least one client that's coded in multilogging, but it will slow down the greedy lemming types.

Do as you will. Bring it up with Neg.

What was the name of that MUD or whatever people played whenever classic went down? Arenascape? I'd say this is Jagex's blunder of the year. No forum post, no front page, no warning whatsoever. (Twitter and Facebook do not count.) Talk about a lack of communication.

Botting on mains pre-2007 wasn't commonplace because it was hush-hush. They tried to keep their heads down somewhat. Now you hear more of it because people are bragging how they botted firemaking to 99. When a breakdown of the game happens, the only rules are the rules you set for yourself. This isn't a good time for those who want to play the rank climbing/reputation game either.

It's the same in many other minigames or diversion areas. Makes you almost want to leave entirely, eh? I'm going to play my backlog of games and won't log on much except to check on updates. I've pretty much exhausted what I want to do. Too much to hope that Jagex will fix this problem within the year.

When you're in a game full of kids, there's plenty of betrayal and backstabbing to go around. Most don't tend to think of the consequences thoroughly. Older folk are a little better, a lot more wily and cautious. You won't find any falling for youtube-advertised keyloggers or offers of free membership. Well, not all that often. If you wish to find those pure of heart and have never ever been tempted by their greed, then hie thee to a nunnery. Or your local monastery, if you prefer. Heh. EDIT: @Wicked Since Jagex apparently can't do anything short of another trade limit ragnarok, a solution would be making instanced areas where normal players can be mostly separate from the bots. I guess that's why dungeoneering works - the bot for that barely gets anywhere from 20 to 40k exp per hour, I heard. Legitimate players forming their own teams can get double that at the very least and won't have to deal with the bot. Tie in dungeoneering level requirements for those instanced hot spots and I'll be content.

Getting 99s while afk/occasionally chatting with clanmates. (Before you start on that, the game window was always open so I could always glance at what my character was doing.) I don't consider that as playing the game. It's just lifeless grinding, not playing. I did that before to get what I wanted so I can really start playing, i.e. 99 combat skills for castle wars, 99 cooking in the belief I won't burn anything with that level, etc. It got really stale once I started on a second account though. Yea, some people think a skill gets devalued because there are too many people with 99 on it, take thieving as an example, or woodcutting. IMO what matters is what you plan to do with it. Just best not complain when it's common and the 99 was for bragging rights. I wonder what would happen if you could get a master cape the likes of dungeoneering if you got 104m exp in say, runecrafting, but the level stayed 99.

Just because you prefer to keep to yourself - I do, at that, I turn off everything except clan - doesn't mean others play this game the same way you do. It'd make more sense to assume new players want to be social - it's a mmorpg, after all. The MMO has to stand for something.

From a practical perspective, he had a good thing going until he outreached himself letting greed overtake his senses by showing it to you. (And others. Wouldn't doubt that's what did him in.) If he got banned already then he deserved what he had coming. Good on you to resist temptation, Egg. Speaking of communities, the worst effect botting has on new players? Trying to strike up a conversation and getting nothing but cold silence. It's a game killer, that.

The santa wasn't noted, was it, Egg.

Hasn't derailed into name-calling yet. When OP posts a trollface, then you can surely claim it is. Carry on.

Thanks for being blunt. That right there is my problem in your harangue. American society was mentioned, yes? The one still entrenched in Puritan values? The same society that has folk in it blaming their own guns for being the cause of crimes, yes? And violent video games? In that statement, you are comparing/applying the morals revolving around a society grounded on real consequences to the morals revolving around a video game made to pass the time, and I tell you, sir, that does not compute. Because one is real. The other is fiction. Instead I'd like you to ask yourself this: why are bots so rampant in Runescape when other games have come up with working/tolerable solutions of their own, or are in the process of addressing the problem of why people bot?

Nope. OP is using examples like cheating on a test = cheating on a game. One is reality, the other is fiction. He says who you are in reality influences your morals in a fictional world and an encounter with botting can influence your personal morals, thereby influencing your reality with likely negative results. I.e. you end up botting because you don't see it as bad anymore. He concludes from that if you are exposed for too long to an evil in a game, there is a higher chance, just a chance, that you will do something evil in reality. I don't think so. It's like blaming murders on violent video games. OP also cannot seem to grasp that you in reality != you in a videogame. Like I said before, there's an RPG in that MMORPG. I don't agree with his ideas unless you're deluded and mixing up reality with fiction and as a result thinking it's serious business. It's not. It's just a game. Cheating on a test is one thing. Cheating in a game is another. One is a horrible life-ruining decision, the other is for entertainment. The first is serious with devastating consequences. The second is irrelevant and insignificant. They are not the same. This is my perspective. EDIT: I think the one thing that is missing from the OP's consideration that would give sense to his arguments are consequences. That and morals go hand in hand. What's stopping us from killing each other? Jail time. What's stopping us from botting? Stat resets and bans. Weigh those two according to your morals, and the latter seems much lighter in consequence, so you are more tempted to bot than to kill IRL. Hmm. Then again, still doesn't mean if you're bombarded with botting, botting everywhere that you'll be tempted to hijack a golf cart for the engine parts one day. Maybe if you were very, very stupid and inbred. It's all apples and oranges to me. Oh well.

Apples and oranges. Poker is not an RPG.

I would say it is ethically wrong. I would morally have no problem with botting, but my good gaming ethic has always kept me from doing so. Another person might say instead as the main reason they won't bot is because 3rd party programs are too risky. Practical outlook, that. Wouldn't be surprised if a few who think that way decide to write their own - and led to this blow up of the botting problem. EDIT: It's become clear the line's been drawn, those who believe Runescape is serious business they'll bring real life morality into the question, and those who are in, "it's just a game." Hah! I pity those who cannot separate reality from fiction. Good day, sirs.

I disagree. Botting is a symptom of a portion of the community that has become tired of Jagex reluctant to address an important yet broken game mechanic: grinding. Botting is not a symptom of a society derailing into immorality for the similar reason that online piracy is not stealing in the traditional meaning of the word.

In which case, my answer would be a resounding, "Hell no!" EDIT: @Mike Mhm. It is just a game. You're here to have fun. Then again, if your idea of fun is a divine alignment vis a vis abiding by Jagex rules in your heart, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Be a paladin. I don't mind. How can I answer like that? Because it's just a game. :D

But it's pretty! All it needs is for the mouse to highlight an item, make it "pop", if you hover it over something.

Chess game != Mmorpg, chess is more like entering a contract between two people to agree to abide by the rules of the game. In a MMORPG there are way too many people for something like that to work 100%.

Then they will reap the consequences of their own actions - if Jagex had a care for enforcing it. So, hypothetically, you wouldn't flinch and would accept if Jagex decided to combat the botting problem by releasing their own bot for certain skills all while modifying their rules to allow only their version bot as "moral" to use. All I see about botting is that something very basic is broken in the game if bots are being used, and Jagex is unwilling to make any radical game changes along the lines of trade limits. (Which was an odd angle to approach the problem of botting on.) Yes, it is illegal, it is cheating, but you shouldn't be surprised that botting has become such a problem due to how repetitive - yes, that is the main problem - some things are in the game.