i agree, taking pking out of the game was a bad move on jagex's part, however, it was a necessary move. granted, it could have been executed in another way, but don't you think jagex will have considered this and decided upon the best possible option? regarding your second point, there's a reason cliches become cliches and that's because there tends to be a slight truth in them. also, how would updating mining with an update like that "complete" the skill? i'm all for valid suggestions, but the kid in the first post i quoted had none. i'm not saying jagex shouldn't touch the skills, but there's no point in changing what they've already got as most people on runescape nowadays seem totally averted to change. which, though increasing my post count, doesn't really do that much good. finally, how does a quest being easy make it marketed towards eight year olds? take the romeo and juliet quest as an example. simple quest, yet eight year olds are expected to understand the underlying shakespeare references? how, also, do the quests hardly relate to one another? there are at least five good quest series, if not many more. why am i even sticking up for jagex? i'm just arguing for the sake now.