Quyneax

Greater demons are kinda nice, but they are also a few thousand cannonballs per hour - you're talking 1m gp/hr in expenses on that (good ranged xp too of course). I've done several hours of charm-gathering off-task with maxed gear at black demons (sw cape though) and 90s melees and I got 120 crims/3 ovl pretty easily, plus 50+ gold and a few green and blue. On task I did a task of ~250 in about 51 minutes, yakking ashes & storing another 28 in my yak. I'm guessing 60% of your dps is from the cannon if you lure well, so if you lose 20% primary weapon dps it's actually only 8% difference in charm rates. Definitely over 100 crims/hr even at low stats. @Dex: I'm assuming you mean 23% strength and 14% accuracy? That's not really correct, assuming maxed gear it's more like 133 strength bonus versus 152 strength bonus, or a 14% max hit increase, for attack much the same is true except that you get another +1 accuracy from the defender.

I think elite clues are worth it simple for the lack of Uri's clues - you'll make more money off the loot the monster you are camping for these drops (usually a kind of metal dragon, or strykewyrms on task). I think hard clues aren't so great cash because a) Third-age is too rare and b) Ranger's boots are way above robins and c) easy/medium don't have wilderness clues and are a lot faster to finish.

No that's too low (for a max rate), wfs really are up to 130 crims/hr, faster than demons, it's just harder to reach when you don't have max stats. A cannon basically hits the same no matter your levels (provided you're not using a bronze dagger) so it's more noob-friendly. Demons do offer more summoning xp just that more of it is in gold/effigies, and less in blue/crim.

I dont care how you bloody talk to jagex, darkdude has posted that they were in contact with jagex before they began removing scripts. If you're going to make a statement like that, back it up with evidence. NO EVIDENCE OF ANY FORM OF CONTACT WITH JAGEX HAS BEEN PRESENTED. I have no reason to believe some of you didn't RWT. Back it up with evidence please. I'll need your bank account number & related administration. Thank you. Similarly, I'd like some evidence on why you were forced to make the forums private. Evidence on your scrips not being rulebreaking, too please. Evidence on your posts not being in contradiction with the forum rules. Evidence that you did try to cooperate, and that you were willing to work with us. I can add to the last point that I have repeatedly offered to relay your messages to the whole moderation team before all this happened. It was refused each time.

For 1.2m xp you need 3250 swamp titans or about 3000 wolpertingers, that's ~2 hrs worth of charm gathering. You save about an hour of time doing swamp titans. On the other hand, gathering charms for ~2 hours gets you combat xp too. So if you count in that 1 hr saved, you get combat xp for 2 hrs at waterfiends + loot in only one additional hour spent, for 160k melee xp/hr, or perhaps 1 effigy at black demons or so. So imo it's pretty much even, do whatever you like. Edit: I made swamp titans at the time because rabbit meat didn't buy at 1k (guide price being like 400 gp) so that put second/shard cost a bit higher for wolpers too.

Crim per hour at AC fiends is 130 raw (no other charms) and they got better blue rates than demons, too. Black demons are 170 crims/hr including effigies at high summoning levels though, and I'm pretty sure you won't be getting 130/hr without ovl/maul.

Nobody has tested a large enough sample of a given monster to conclusively prove that strength > fury, to my knowledge.

They are crowded yes, but if you deal with it well it'll increase your kills/hr and Dharoks can be extra good for this :thumbup:.

Do your low floors quickly for little xp and your high floors large with a large team for lots of xp. E.g. 5:1 c1 f1-25 & 5:5 c6 f26+.

^Wolpers are extremely annoying to make as you can do only 12 per inventory. I wouldn't recommend doing them at all if you have the patience (I didn't so I made swamp titans :P).

Best way would be protect melee and wear elite void. I've tried tanking them with Bandos (on task) and it was very hectic with luring/cannon reloading/picking up drops/yakking (though not having a yak would make it slightly more relaxed). Then, set up cannon, would be 2-2.5k/hr used, darklight sucks, whip is good, Dharoks is awesome (but remember you must pray melee). If Dharoking remember to let the cannon finish off demons at low health if you can (or let a bot do it) because you don't want to waste a potential 800+ hit on a 50 lp demon :P. @Above: demons don't really depend on your primary weapon much, and with his stats (no maul, no extremes/ovl, no high melees) I'm pretty sure demons would be best.

You won't be getting much money at all, but alright... monks versus cavefish, I'd go monks. Monks are 35k xp, cavefish too I think, rocktails maybe 50k at 99 fishing? That's with urns of course.

The constants style boosts date back from RSC when they were displayed, so it's just assumed they haven't changed and that fits with observations. The rest has been derived empirically, yes. Defence level is guesswork, turmoil defence boost does one bit but all monsters with a major melee style weakness also have gear bonus (or some mechanism unavailable to players). Turmoil to test defence level works best on a 30 defence pure I think, because they get larger bonusus (= more accurate reading).

I'd get it now if you're not compromising your bank - 93 summoning is better than 93 because of the diary only, but that's still a good reason especially if you farm herbs a lot. You definitely should in my opinion. 150k free xp in lamps is also nice, if you intend to save those anyway it's perhaps not worth getting now.

pretty sure magic is faster I think he means fire wave, which is slower than melee. Surge is faster yes.

That's the first signature I've wanted to bot :o. I'd go for prom 2h + prom plate aka 90 defence.

The ring of wealth stacks with the diary but isn't doubled - you get: 5 blue 7 crim 2 green 1 ruby 1 emerald 1 sapphire + cash, doubled to: 10 blue 14 crim 4 green 2 ruby 2 emerald 2 sapphire + more cash or with row: 5 blue 10 crim 3 green 1 diamond 2 ruby 3 emerald + cash, doubled to: 10 blue 17 crim 5 green 1 diamond 3 ruby 4 emerald 1 sapphire + more cash.

It could be right, what sort of gear/location did you chin at? Well, i was using pretty rubbish gear :\ Black dhide, arma helm, archer ring basically. Was chinning at skeletons in ape atoll. So with better stuff (arma or void) he could probably get a decent amount, assuming he has the cash or time for that. Void deflector would increase the xp by around 15% I should think, Armadyl wouldn't do anything. Without void I'd give up regular ranged training and just cannon + range certain slayer tasks (spectres, hellhounds, black demons, greater demons etc.).

Yes the 5 and 8 and 64 are constants. Level is: (basic level + potion boost)*(slayer helmet boost or salve amulet boost)*(prayer boost)*(berserker/tactician/desperado class ring boost) + style bonus. Where slayer helmet is 0% or 15%, salve is 0% or 15% or 20% depending on which version you got (if you got helmet & amulet you only get the highest %). Prayer boost is listed in the prayer menu, e.g. 0%, 5%, 10%, 15%, 18%, 23% for strength for example, or any of the curse boosts which vary in time. Then the class rings add 10% + 1% per tier of you ring, berserker for strength rolls on agressive, tactician for attack rolls on accurate, desperado for ranged on rapid. The style boost is 0, 1 or 3 for melee. If you use accurate you get +3 attack, agressive +3 strength, defensive +3 defence and controlled +1 all. For ranged you instead get +3 level/+1 speed/+1 range I think (not 100% sure). Gear bonus is what is displayed in the equip screen, so for an attack roll it's your attack bonus etc. Iron/steel titan bonusus are counted here (you can see them).

Get 90 dungeoneering and do rapier/cls stakes for a little variety?

100x this. Use a wolpertinger, use fire surge, hit over 1000 damage per cast :D.

Considering the rather spammy nature of the replies here, I'm locking thi's.

Gear wise you are looking at void deflector with max range accuracy and a soul wars cape. http://forum.tip.it/topic/222890-melee-ranging-and-two-slight-diversions/ Has a chins/level table.

There's more e's in those sentences.

The 15th most used letter in English is the F. From careful analysis of this blog we have learned it's actually the second most used.