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Moved this to Runescape Media

P2P is just F2P with more crap. At the end of the day, that 'more crap' is equally tedious and grinding regardless of how much you pay. Only difference is some people happen to enjoy that, which is probably why they won the Golden Joystick.

Not dead...more like sleeping. Part of it's life cycle tbh.

Locking this, since the topic is over a year old and the topic creator has long-since gotten his answer :P If you need to ask any further questions regarding gravite weapons, what pants to buy in RS, or anything really you are welcome to make your own topic :)

inb4 not your personal army

Hah! Fair enough XD

If Iddison resorted to these tactics straight from the start of becoming on CEO (and he did) we would have seen these sorts of updates faster, and in far greater volume. Assuming that one would have been better than the other is a bit like like the saying "The grass is greener on the other side" The update sucks and there's a plethora of reasons to be mad about it, but that ain't one of them.

That's his point. There are a lot of loyalty rewards that can be redeemed and are purely cosmetic. The Auras, though, are what he's calling hypocrisy on.

Fixed it for you.

A person can have a constructive complaint with every bad action the company makes, regardless if the company does it out of necessity, and that complaining person would still get posts like yours directed at them. The stigma goes both ways, and I think the only thing both parties at this point have in common is their shared weariness for the same crap served to them day in and day out. And just like the 'complainers' don't quit RuneScape despite complaining, the ones chiding the complainers always have another dose of oily moral righteousness to throw on the flames. Neither side is making anything better. EDIT: Persepolis was a great graphic novel, loved it :) EDIT2: I think we're also off topic now.

I would wonder why someone who hates the clan so much is still a member of that clan. EDIT: We have to remember that the people who manage the Pmods and Forum mods are not the same people who are making these terrible business decisions. They still have to do what they have to do...no matter how terrible Jagex as a whole has become, or how money-grubbing they are with this Refer a Friend bs. Do I still hate Jagex? Bet your ass. Do I understand why they had to do it? God I wish I didn't. They deserve every bit of negativity that can be pushed their way. But in this...who knows?

Say you're running a clan in runescape. You're the leader, and you have to look out for the well-being of the clan. You just find out that your official was going around badmouthing the clan, fellow community members. Your official is supposed to be a rolemodel and help you keep it together because honestly, one person can't run the whole damn thing by themselves. You later find out that he's been flaming other clans and hurting the reputation of your own. It causes a decline in recruits, which is deadly. You talk to him, try to solve it diplomatically. You don't want a big stink. He's popular with some key members, and action against him could hurt more than it could help. Finally the last straw comes when you find out that he just scammed a clanmate. Action HAS to be taken. Despite his popularity and the drama it causes, you can't let something like that continue. You kick him. They accuse you of getting rid of your 'competition' because everyone knows he was active enough to be a leader, and he was a good fall-in leader. It doesn't matter that you were trying to protect members and the image of the clan, because they'll blame the stupidity of the clanmate who was scammed. It doesn't matter that your now ex-official was hurting the clan image, because he was flaming rival clans that no one liked anyway. Yet something had to be done, and your hands couldn't be tied when you have a greater ideal to protect. Who is right, and who is wrong? @Dragonlordjl, Ahh right, I see what you meant. But still :/

Even if they let the video be, if they had still demodded Jib, it would have still gone viral. It's too easy to draw the conclusion that he was demodded for being outspoken, especially if the details can't be disclosed. Yet that can't be a reason to not take action.

Or use macro programs that violate the 1:1 guideline. At least, that's my personal opinion. I think they do have that principle at heart, and they publicly say they care...when in reality it's very, very difficult to even stop that. And there are much larger issues at hand, so they get less attention. That whole FAQ Mat K wrote (and undoubtedly other staff contributed to) stressed usage of company resources, and using them efficiently.

I play any game for achievements. Without gamerscore or trophies I wouldn't find as much enjoyment from completing console games. In real life I've set goals as well such as graduating college and finding a job I love. That is just the way I look at efficiency personally. If I cannot reach an achievement efficiently it isn't worth it to me. Isn't it one of the achievements needed for the trimmed completionist cape? Wouldn't that meet your need for 'achievement'? And if not, how do you adapt your playing style to MMORPGs? They're not like console games in that sense.

[hide][/hide] I won't say that all my concerns are eased with this response, but I'm impressed they did it at all. I think it was enough to calm the fury of the average player, who was so utterly shocked at seeing something like this. There's always going to be a group who questions Jagex, and there's really nothing that can be done to appease them (or me) though. But that's nothing new.

What? No mention for Hackers? At all?!?!?! No surfing through giant towers of binary towers and 'super awesome 80s laptops'? C'mon!

Can you really blame us? Jagex don't give us much to write home about. God no! I know I've aggrivated a lot of users with my borderline whining posting...But they're truly so upsetting, that it's hard not to. Luckily a good forum user helped me get over my bump when the Ornate Katana sprung up. I'm upset, yeah, but I'm trying very hard not to be another entitled 'scaper :P But damn do they make it hard. I had to choke back a big "TOLD YOU SO" victory dance when the Refer a Friend thing came out...

You don't, really. At that point you realize that your goals are so different, that compromise can't be reached. You resign. That's not what I said. People are entitled to their opinions. Herds of sheeple, as we can both agree, do not effectively manage communities. But there is a piece of information that we're missing here. He wasn't demodded JUST for this video. The details leading up to this, however, are all 'hush hush' apparently--or at least no one can be bothered to explain why. So we have to try not to confuse the details, here. I think Jagex is doing a good job of that themselves lol. I can agree with that. At the same time I'm pretty sure that Player Moderators and Forum Moderators cannot stop bots all on their own, no matter how hard they crusade. And as the 'cream of the crop' sort of players, the players that others look to as role models, they should have the sense not to throw fuel on the out-of-control-fire. Telling players to stop supporting their game isn't necessary--it will happen with or without these little whipped up frenzies. Showing the botting problem as he did in that video, in a way to really hit home how bad the problem is, is a more constructive way of going about things. I think you should be more careful in your interpretation of my posts. I'm simply giving my opinion on moderator/community relations, having been one in various areas (not only on tip it) for probably about 5 years. I don't know enough information to agree/disagree with his demotion. They have to represent both, with professionalism and maturity. You cannot represent one and forsake the other while still speaking from a position of authority given to you BY that community's owner. If a user is picked because of their maturity, their intelligence, the fact that they are good role-models...that should not be thrown to the wind simply because they are then given a higher status (be it imagined or true). It won't help the situation, and you're squandering any benefits you could have in such a position tbh.

Because volunteers are a liability. They effectively have nothing to lose if they butcher Jagex's reputation, therefore they should not represent Jagex at all. They volunteer to enforce the rules, not to be Jagex's public relations. They should be allowed to have their own opinions, and if they happen to go against jagex's benefit, that's not their problem. A man can mute 10.000 spamming bots, but as soon as he complains about it, he gets hammered down because "it makes us look bad". Even if it's not his fault that 100.000 spamming bots are being indirectly supported by Jagex, and the rules should prevail. If we agree that they're a liability and they have the potential to do more harm than good, isn't that more important for them to present a united front to more effectively manage the community? So anyone not doing that, wouldn't you expect them to be a role-model? In-line, to take Moe's words, with the game company's goals and aims? It's not a matter of shedding your own opinions to conform to the corporate credo, but working together instead of against eachother. In response to your edit: I think they're honestly a little of both. They're a representative of the community, the 'cream of the crop' as you've said. But at the same time, they were asked to represent the rules and integrity of the game, to work together to make it a better place. That is what any community wants to maintain. Whether Jagex is succeeding in that is questionable, it's true, but it's still got to be the goal of their staffing team.

Since you already know my opinion on it, why do you think that?

Yeah but if you're saying that as a way to draw a connection between Jiblix and Tip.it, that's a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Again, my person thoughts are that Tip.it, as large as it is, can do more good for the RuneScape community as a whole by supporting the game rather than trying to turn it into a petty competition. Plus, the staff don't represent the Tip.it community, we're only a small chunk of it. We work for the community here, and something like that would most likely cause more harm than good dictated by only the smallest percentage of Tip.it. It'd be quite the insult to everything everyone has worked so hard for here. Besides, the Tip.it Times is critical enough of Jagex tbh lol. Dunno, that's just my thought. Something that Tip.it would do as a whole isn't the same for an individual. I won't pretend to know how much a single forum mod can influence on the game.

I dunno, I don't speak for the entirety of the staff. O_o That would be something to ask the administrators. But I can't imagine, personally, there being much point in it--we're a RuneScape fansite.

Yes, you're hoping to kill as fast as you can while solo'ing.

So why is it laughable if someone is volunteering to help out? Working together as a united front makes your efforts more effective, speaking from experience. I'm not saying that Jagex have been angels, but I'd expect that for any community management group. That's how it is on Gamefaqs, RSOF, Tip.it, etc. You need to be that way or you can't fairly manage a community. Being 'in-line' doesn't mean you have to powder their backside and agree with everything they say, but as a whole stand united. There are other places, and other ways, to vent frustration with policies of the groups you volunteer in. If you're volunteering to manage a community, you should be contributing to that community constructively as a role-model. I still don't fully understand how Jiblix went about in his criticism, considering the conflicting reports from biased sources both for and against. But if it's caused this much of a firestorm, I have to question if this wasn't the right move--at least for now, until they hammer out their new guidelines and things calm down.