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That's because chatting while working runescape is inefficient. Right, slam them all you want but they are the players who get the most out of their time. A lot of people have fun knowing they are doing things the best way possible. I think the reason it's been a bit empty is because a lot of the people are active in other clan chats, specifically dungoneering ones.

Also, Nechs are closer to breaking even but are substantially slower. If you plan on doing those moneymakers then the most efficient thing would be barraging rock lobsters. Best of luck to you.

Also, it's empty a lot of the time but the "efficienty" chat is Grimy_Bunyip

It doesn't fill in the same way that you get points, so it fills independent of the round. You get the same horn potential for round 1 as you do for round 9 regardless of your role performance. Given this is is actually best and fastest to fill your horn by doing 1-6 and resetting. I personally do 1-10 but switch to points for 7-10 and use those to upgrade roles and buy rewards that I want.

Nobody high alchs them. Just because they sell in the GE doesn't mean people alch them. In fact, they are reselling them to this guy for a profit when they buy from the GE. Honestly, only an idiot would alch gold amulets. Don't say you're sure of something unless you really are. This is after all a Help and Advice forum and people are taking your opinions as facts. If you don't know that they are facts then what you're saying could be hurting someone else. Actually that rogue got nerfed a while back and now gives GE low price for the items, so they are no reselling them unless they are idiots. Don;t state something as a fact unless your sure of it your just confusing people. People do buy items such as strung gold ammys that have a massive supply and are cheaper as something to alch enmass to train mage; that is why they still sell. The rouge used to give GE min which people were manipulating by buying out jewlery and it never crashing due to them never actually needing to dump it on other players. On April 10th, 2010 he was updated to pay the low alchemy price. If you follow this link you can see what he currently buys items for. It also gives the GE min prices and shows how you can profit through selling to him. Keep insulting me without knowing your facts and I'm calling a mod, okay?

That is what you said in your first post. Now, you said it is as cheap as possible when it really is not because time=money and your method will cost more time and therefor more money. You are wrong, that is it.

Nobody high alchs them. Just because they sell in the GE doesn't mean people alch them. In fact, they are reselling them to this guy for a profit when they buy from the GE. Honestly, only an idiot would alch gold amulets. Don't say you're sure of something unless you really are. This is after all a Help and Advice forum and people are taking your opinions as facts. If you don't know that they are facts then what you're saying could be hurting someone else.

As for me actually understanding your posts, it's hard because your English isn't great, I don't like to grammar nazi people but if you don't want to be misunderstood try to present your ideas more eloquently. I'm doing my best though, my apologies. I just don't think you understand how those percentages work becuase you didn't seem to understand the math I was doing with them and insulting me as a result of your misunderstanding. Anyways, as this is a help and advice forum, it's a bit bad for you to be giving advice without looking at the whole picture. Ecto is bad when you do this, as my calculations have shown, in the long run due to its slow speed you sacrifice even more money then you would altering. Therefor it would be better for OP not to ecto his bones. I think we can both agree on that at this point. As for spamming the forums, you're simply offering bad advice and I feel guilty if I let OP think it's credible. I shouldn't need to explain that time=money in every thread I make a post in, I assume people have that basic understanding. It is something you need to factor in to any calculations in order to find the most efficient method. Thus, when I say something is either best or worst, it is always factoring that in unless I specifically make an exception.

Pretty much follow you. Buy gold ore and wool balls, end up with gold amulets.. then what exactly? GE, general store, hi-alch? I'm sure gold ammys r a popular hi-alch but i dunno how much they alch for. They sell via ge fairly easily thou for a decent price. I'm sure you're wrong. People would never high alch gold ammys. This is because they are too valuable in using for the string jewelery lunar spell. Stringing them actually loses money so I highly suggest you do not string them by hand. The best way to train smithing quickly and cheaply is to superheat gold while smelting it. You should wield a fire staff, goldsmith gauntlets and whatever else you want. Do it in edgeville. Use a magpie familiar to recoup some of the money lost. While you are smelting gold you can superheat one gold for every gold smelted without interrupting the smelting. It pretty much doubles your experience and gives you magic experience at a faster, cheaper rate then alching. It is not worth it to make the gold bars into amulets, just sell the on the GE and cut your losses. The magpies will pay for the nature runes used and part of the loss on the gold. Then for crafting do green dragonhide with sacred clay needles. I don't know about this, I don't really train crafting too much. Edit: If you must, at least don't string the amulets, sell them unstrung. Really, I'm pretty sure you lose money through stringing in them because people need unstrung amulets to do training with the lunar spellbook.

Making cash then chinning is still faster. Cannoning the things I mentions is still faster. Time = money, when you waste time, you are costing yourself what you could have been spending that time on. So really yaks are the more expensive option as your are costing yourself time and the opportunity to make more money or do other things.

Okay, first. Clearly you don't understand math that well. To find out what percentage more experience ecto is over alter you don't add 50% experience. It's not like a bone you alter for 100 exp is ectoed for 150, it's ectoed for 114. Try it, I'm right. You find out what percentage it is better by doing 400/350. This gives the pure gp/exp advantage of one over the other. Now, the second thing you don't understand is that time = money. If you only wanted to look at cost then they could get a bonecrusher and kill chickens to 99 prayer for free. But it's bad, why? Because during that time they could have made more then enough money to do a faster method and have time left over. So it is deniable that a 14% bonus is worth it because time = money, when you waste time, you are costing yourself what you could have been spending that time on. So really ecto is the more expensive option as your are costing yourself time and the opportunity to make more money or do other things. Edit: Thanks Quyneax for ninjaing me on that.

Ecto gives 400% experience and alter gives 350% experience. That mean ecto gives just over 14% more experience then a lit alter. I'm sure it takes more then 14% more time. Therefor, ecto is always a bad choice. 14% is not significant enough to warrant using ecto. The gp/exp ratio is not sinificantly better. Edit: I'll cal the gp/exp ratios of both too, just for you. Altering Dragon bones: 18.6 coins/XP Ectoing Dragon bones: 16.2 coins/XP Altering Big bones: 9.8 coins/XP Ectoing Big bones: 8.6 coins/XP Now, the time factor. Given that the difference is around 2gp/exp for dragon bones and 1gp/exp for big bones, you just need to ask yourself if it's worth spending hours and hours more collecting slime, grinding bones, banking, offering at ecto to save that 1 or 2 gp/exp.

Welcome to DeflationScape. I too have heard that DKS are holding their value better then TDS or Frosts have been. When the new boss comes out you could try soloing bandos a little, it's still profitable from what I've heard.

For your criteria... Making money then chinning > cannoning frost dragons > cannoning abby spectres > cannoning walasakies > yaks with knives > slayer I think this is about right. Oh, you can cannon abby spectres pretty will with only a BoB and herb drops should cover you or come close. It's been a while since I got them as a slayer task so I'm a little unsure. On the flip side aviansies are super slow exp but you will make decent cash camping them.

Look, do what you most ENJOY. I wanted to get a skillcape, any skillcape because I was like lever 113 and didn't have one yet. So I got cooking. You know what? I don't feel anything for that cape or skill. I never wear it, it collects dust in my bank. Then I grinded woodcutting, I enjoyed it and took my time with many, many breaks. I finally got it, and I wear it sometimes. But I enjoy the fact that I have it. Really, if you do what you enjoy, even if it's semi-afk skilling, you will be proud for your skillcape. Heck, even if you just enjoy questing go for that questcape. The worst thing you can do is choose cooking or fletching to "have" a skillcape becuase once it's done, you will most likely feel empty unless you enjoyed that skill. I'm likely going to be 130+ combat with only two skillcapes, there is nothing wrong with not having rows of 99 skills. This is a game, do what you enjoy. As for speed versus cost, I would advise buying all the supplies to do broad bolts until 99 then do them while playing pest control or soul wars. Do enough to stay active in the game and help if your team really needs you, but make sure you keep getting fletching exp little by little on the side. With any luck you could have a combat 99 and 99 fletching before long. Cooking is faster and easier, just from my experience it wasn't an enjoyable 99 and it taught me a good lesson. Slow in something you love is a million times better then fast in something you don't care about.

Using a lower tier of knives or darts will cut into your exp/h. Also, you could cannon walasakies for charms and ranged exp. Or cannon cave crawlers for effigies and ranged exp.

Makes it sound like if you die, your items will be destroyed as well as protect prayer being disabled during the fight. Nice catch, if that's true I owe you a homemade summer pie, none of that GE crap.

Hence in my post I clearly said if you are ONLY CONCERNED WITH DOING IT CHEAP. And clearly stated it is BETTER Gp:xp but WORSE xp:hr Well it's a bit stupid, you say that anything less the dragon bones is mental. Then you offer a way that is even slower then regular dragon bones as an alternative. By your own logic then, ecto is mental. And it is, it takes so long that I'm very sure that altering big bones is faster then ectoing dragon bones. Really, you underestimate how tedious collecting the slime is and then grinding the bones. Sure, it's afk, but then again, so is offering big bones in the first place. And ectoing dragon bones is even more gp/exp. Regular bones and big bones are about .5 gp/exp apart. Use big bones. Use a house alter, you are getting like 20 more exp by ectoing them, but it's really, really not worth it. Even though it sounds like a lot of big bones, it's a pretty afk skill and if you have the guts to sit through it, all the more power to you.

You should be cannoning abby specters.

Ecto is even less efficient then offering big bones.

I honestly can't do that! - If I do those amount of clicks I risk that my RSI which I trained for to get it away will come back completely. It can't be that you're physically non fit to play a game? I need a method which is way less click incentive: like only having to do a click (or a small burst) every 5 seconds. Hunter is so much of a strain because it is continuasly clicking & always the same movement - for hours on an end. (Whereas I can play a shooter easily for example, as you don't always move the same way). I feel for you, I really do. It makes my writs hurt too, the only reason I bear it out is when it's a requirement for something else. Honestly though, aside from barehanding butterflies I don't know what to tell you. Maybe just keep using penguins until you can? Or do the fastest experience possible to minimize total time spent doing the repetitive motions? I know salamander hunting is less repetitive then box trapping, why don't you try it out and see if it hurts you. It's the fastest exp as well at your level, last I've heard.

Okay High level untradable potions Curse prayers Living rock caverns for high level mining and fishing Advanced agillity courses More high level hunter (barehanded butterflies) Dungoneering which changes PvM and slayer Damage soaking Also a bunch of quests, two more grandmaster quests, one of them giving the best cape in the game, the other giving a spec weapon comparable to AGS for 250k. Distractions and diversions which are small weekly skill related activities. Ummm, I would just browse through the weekly updates. Oh, maybe staff of light, and full slayer helm are new. Edit: Coming back for more, let me think for a while.

Umm, barehanding butterflies are supposed to be afkable but I don't have the experience. I suggest spawn camping chins then if you can't stand the jadinkos. Either way, hunter is all very click intensive, you might just want to go with the fastest method to get it out of the way. That would be salamanders.

Dude, I hope so. That thing looks pathetic. Compare side by side the pics we have of that thing and Flesh Spoiler from Daemonheim. It's like they're from different games. Eh, you never know, looks can be deceiving. It would be nice for the hard thing to kill to not be some massive monster or towering demon.

Not if you want to quickly acquire slayer points. :wink: