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I concur. (About the pie crust, not the strange part ;) )

If your refutation of my conclusion and devaluation of the article as a whole are based on these, especially when clan support is really quite middle of the road as an update, and that somehow these little things outweigh the experience of bots etc for players during 2011, I cannot agree with your assertions. Otherwise, please do name some counterbalances to the bots, MLP, RAFP, P2P hiscores.

Kimberley, I am all too aware that there have been a series of smaller, wholly positive updates, but at the end of the day I can only fit so much in to an article of reasonable size and thus I opted to cover some of the year's major events. If that's not what you want from a review, so be it, but it is how I opted to review the year. I said in the introduction that omissions were going to have to be made. Again, you have misinterpreted my focus and methodology: I am not aiming to recount some facts and be done, but rather look at how people responded to these things - and if that was emotionally, I see no reason why this is bad. For example, if we look at botting in a rational and detached manner, it looks very positive: lots of players online, lots of revenues for Jagex, but a little bit of economic pressures on players does not really encapsulate the reactions of the general playerbase that I was exposed to.

Oh Range, you really do love Carl Sagan.

[spoiler=del's quote] Though my brief response to Kimberley's post may be read as such, the fact is that I did not intend it as such and much of your post was interpretation. For example, I never said anything about there being a 'volatile' group of people, but rather in my response to Kimberley pointed out that my observations were based on a few friends, the RSOF and Tip.It. Of course this is going to be a small selection of RS players, but there is no way to make it otherwise - I cannot talk to a large enough group of people ingame, and so forums must be my main port of call. I do not consider TIF particularly volatile; RSOF can be, but hey. It is reasonable to presume that RSOF gives a fairly good projection of what people are feeling. There are always going to be insular players who are just happy to amble along with whatever Jagex gives them, but my year in review was based on observation from people expressing opinions across forums, and there's really little else that can be done. I refer you to the comments along the lines of "sums up my thoughts" to see that I wasn't too wide of the mark in my observations. Nevertheless, it was an interesting objection. This was funny. Once again, you've managed to throw around a few accusations, and I can only congratulate you for being so persistent in posting unhelpful lies on this thread. I posted my year in review on the back of a year's observations in the vast RSOF and some from Tip.It, and some conversations with in-game friends about their observations/opinions, whilst remaining semi-active myself. Your entire post was entirely incorrect. I've never stated intentionally that my review was based on a majority, but it was as close as I or anyone else for that matter could get to a representative majority. As for reply #15, if you'd be so kind as to read and digest my earlier response to you, or even scroll down to Jona's response to Kimberley, then you may find some errors of understanding in reply #15 that have been highlighted. The key word is 'during'.

Kimberley, I think that Jonanananas effectively answered you as I would have, with the correct emphasis on the word 'during'. My RSOF prowling and Tip.It use, as well as my few friends still on RS, all gave the distinct impression of being highly irritated for the most part of 2011. The players that don't care are always going to be rather indifferent either way, and as such they're not really representative of anything in my mind.

I can't understand why you'd need to go to sales after Christmas? Surely it's just a material version of eating despite being full? I'm Indian, my mums foreign. It's standard Asian shopping lol. We forgo any real present giving on Christmas day, just box of Roses chocolate to any friends and family and go hunting for sales on Boxing day as 'presents' for the immediate family. Oh right I see.

I can't understand why you'd need to go to sales after Christmas? Surely it's just a material version of eating despite being full?

First off, I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to post their words of praise, however few. In response to criticisms made: [spoiler=Newb's posts] It's a year in review article, meant to go over the biggest updates/additions of the year and people's reactions to them, not editorialize on what should have been done instead. We have plenty of those every week. :wink: A very poor "Year in review", from a very pessimistic and "Anti-Jagex" user. If you look through the authors post over the last few months, anything RuneScape related is negative and most posts don't go over 10 words. Not only that, but for a "year in review" and personal experience that's meant to mean something -- it would be beneficial if a note was put explaining the author wasn't an active player (That's what I gather), hasn't been a member for several months (Thus missing out on the majority of updates) and is simply following the upward "We don't play RS, but still wish to hate on it whenever possible because we're bored" trend (Which is very noticeable on this forum - in-game is the complete opposite). Quite disappointing. I think a review from an active player would be good to go along with this. Newb, as much as you are entitled to an opinion, I felt that your criticisms lacked any real substance. Your first post about positives outweighing negatives misses the point of reviewing the year - the idea is not to look at what content we have as a result of the year, but to look at how the year actually was at the time. And there is no denying that eight months of this year were an absolute disaster. The Bot Nuke came in October, which you must agree is rather late in the scheme of 2011. The 'negatives not being very many' is your opinion, but I think you'll find that a majority of people do associate 2011 with rather negative things such as bots, and would not say that loyalty programmes and self-referral make for particular wonderful counterbalance. Furthermore, if you found part VI 'funny', I'd love you to have the courage to tell me why. As for your second post, it does not belong in this discussion thread for the reason that it is unfounded and does not contribute whatsoever to the discussion at hand. Accusing me of an "anti-Jagex" stance is utter nonsense, because I know my own objectivity on the matter of Jagex, and holds no worth whatsoever. I doubt you've looked at a sufficient number of my 1100+ posts, if any, to be able to form such an opinion, and you are instead labelling me "anti-Jagex" because you disagree with me and such a label is a quick attempt to devalue my opinion - except, of course, that my Year in Review was very much based upon observation of the playerbase throughout the course of the year, and is instead an attempt to synthesis the zeitgeist of 2011. Your first post was enough to let me known that you disagreed with the article, further posts reaffirming your view with baseless ad hominem attacks does not add anything else to this discussion. @ delapaz: The article is called The Year in Review because it is a review of the year primarily from the player's perspective - the Times' audience being players, this seems quite sensible to me - with some consideration for Jagex's being villified and their general reputation. I do not see why an article that sets out merely to look back at things should make itself pointlessly long by adding my suggestions in, especially because it would serve no purpose, nor do I see why I would want to include financial data or go beyond, into the wider MMO market, because it doesn't relate to the article directly and because a vast majority of people don't care. These are thus valid suggestions for an article, but I don't think a retrospective is in need of them, but rather that a financial or a suggestion-based review would warrant a separate article - after all, my review alone was 2,700 words long.

Excuse my awful internet.

Season's greetings and the like to all.

Yes, they make a very good case for eugenics indeed.

To be honest I'm surprised there isn't a thread here already on this. I'm really looking forward to this, even if it is a PSN game. The game's hompeage Slated for a 2012 release. The trailer is awesome - might put it in OP later.

I managed to find out what longboarding was after I posted. As for pumpkin pie mix, it's good to know. :thumbup: Can't say I know much about food (other than black pudding omelettes).

^ Oh dear.

So this is longboarding. It looks quite cool, if not a little pointless as far as fitness is concerned (for most people) - it doesn't seem like it'd be quite as exerting or all round as, say, rugby, swimming, etc.

^ adrenal almost got you there Duff. :D

Seems quite nice to me.

This is virtuallly never the case. If a prostitute isn't forced into it by armed gangs, she's forced into it socio-economically. It's a service that people want but only those who are forced to give, by in large.

To watch: volleyball To do: cycling

Are there any other Rurouni Kenshin fans present?

It's just a few hours until I get this - any advice on what to do/where to go when I start?

Thirteen Assassins. Pas mal.

You Americans always post about things which are alien to me. From this post, I can gauge that you went to a shop that sells something (a long board?), made some form of food/drink. I do know what video games, rooms, and chilling are - I'm not completely clueless.

They do look quite useless. I had presumed they were short for 'fundraiser'. Couldn't have been more wrong.