Ts_Stormrage

^ Wow... I think that you are the first replyer in this thread who has actually fully and comprehensively read my article (articles if you include the one from march I referenced)

^win Anywho: Working at the woodcutting plots in Clan Citadels will now generate a faster rate of timber. YAY (stay tuned for how much faster ;))

No i mean the Tip.it post thats mentioned in that thing :) Would love to have a link to the source...

Do we have the source of that quote somewhere?

2nd day of runefest coincidently ;D

BACON!

Don't... Whether or not you are for or against abortion (hey, not even an issue here in dutchieland), if it's for religious reasons it has a place on this thread :)

True, but like I said... I love eduiating religious people :P "it wasnt so long ago that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. nor so long ago that flight was. or that the idea that the earth was flat was known to be true. Pluto used to be a planet." -Sound barrier was always possible to break... This arguement shows your narrowmindedness as we ALWAYS have known that light travels faster than sound :) -Flight was also possible, even for man, but we simply lacked a proper source of power (DaVinci's drawings anyone?) -Since the days of Aristotle we've actually managed to prove and calculate that the earth was round, and within a few hundred kilometers, even managed to calculate how big the earth was... Simply by measuring the length of your shadow in 2 different locations (say Constantinopel and Alexandria?) at the exact same time gives you 2 different angles with a known distance between them :) On top of that, sailors also saw a curved horizon... -Pluto used to be a planet? Just because it has less charachteristics of a planet and more of that of a comet (a muddy iceball that largely vaporizes when its orbit gets close to the sun) and we decided to put it in the PROPER category doesn't mean there have been changes made in the things we know to be true... Pluto ALWAYS was a dwarf-planet, part of the Oort-cloud, just as Ceres is part of the Asteroid-belt, but we just classified it differently... "the so called "abrahamic religions" have many things in them that are very useful (as well as many beliefs and "archaic" systems do), just like a science book from 50 years ago would. does a few mistakes (maybe misunderstood or even typos) make either wholly useless?" The problem is that these books are NOT science books, and are not from 50 years ago (which would still be well after Einstein's theories), yet they claim absolute truth, and worse, absolute morality... "i will admit i am not the smartest branch on the tree, but from what i understand is the universe is made of matter (all sorts) and that matter can not just appear. its form changes but matter can not become something from nothing. i also understand the universe is overwhelmingly large, but we still seem to only accept that it is only the "observable" universe. there are extents of our knowledge and to say there is no gawd is to say you know everything..... making you a gawd in your own right. but as you (or anyone) cant know everything, does that make you non-existent?" I said the gods that were dreamt up to explain all the tings we don't yet know (that is from Ra, Zeus, Buddah, Odin, Jahweh... the lot) do not exist... But god, by definition, is a supernatural being, and therefor if existed allowing it to roam in and outside the laws of nature... But when this super-natural being moves into the natural world and interacts with it (i.e. talking to people), this interaction is one that can be scientifically quantified and measured... Also, matter and energy are different states of the same thing, matter IS energy... All this matter existed in the very tiniest fraction of a infinitessimal small point at the very beginning of time... A spot where all the matter (and energy) of the universe was condensed into a single point... The first few thousands of years the universe was far too hot for the energy to condense into the particles that make up the protons and electrons... Back to your point: If god exists it must either be a natural being or a supernatural one... If it is a natural being, it cannot be a god because it cannot overcome the usual paradoxes that go with it (can he make a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it, etc)... If this being is supernatural it means that, whatever the natural world encompasses, this god is not (see earlier reference)... Believing in the supernatural god is exactly like believing in ghosts... When asked, most people will tell you that a ghost weighs nothing at all... But if that was true, then it has no mass and therefor no intertia... Nor would it be bound to the earth by gravity, and therefor, if you saw one, it'd fly off in the distance at hundreds of miles per second... It's like the old movies; if ghosts could walk through walls, why don't they sink through the floor..? "we all know what is real only to what we know, at that time and from our POV. every day something new is discovered. quantum theory, chaos theory, theory of everything are all.... theories. yet they get more respect than the theory of intelligent design. why is that?" Because there is evidence for these theories... Btw the theories that you mentioned are just as valid as the LAW of gravity and LAWS of thermodynamics... We just called them theories (again just ba naming issue)... I can make up a theory of the invisible treemunching hippogriff and write down as many arguments as I can think of to make that theory work... But unless you can test it and back it up with evidence, it will not get any respect, let alone any acceptance in the scientific community... The Intelligent Design theory is wrong because we are NOT designed intelligently... We breath eat drink and talk all through the same hole, making sure that thousands of people choke to death every year... Dolphins and some whale species dont have this problem, so it doesnt even require a supernatural intervention of sorts to have made this happen... (mind you this is but one example of why we are not designed intelligently)... "i am not a man of faith. i hardly have faith that i will wake up in the morning, let alone do i have faith there is not a higher intelligence controlling our universe as a science experiment. i do have faith that there are things i will never understand. does that make me and my "beliefs" any less "stupid" than yours?" It makes them uneducated, first... Second, It makes them stupid if you don't go out and try to better your understanding of them (just ask the question of "why is this the way it is" more often) and still hold them to be true... "I don't know, but I'll try to find out even if I fail at that." > "I'm not sure, but I'll assume this to be true cuz someone said soemthing like it." Third, and this is the case with religion (all of them, not just the abrahamic ones), if you take these assumptions and teach others force others to know and accept them under threat of eternal torture or promise of eternal bliss (heaven and hell), it is downright dangerous... "i have heard that Timmy's Giant Fart might not be expanding anymore but collapsing, which is correct? the Fart hasnt been proven anymore that my quantum chaotic future snap of the fingers. all the proof that i have that you were "putting my fingers rapidly on a keyboard atm" is your saying you were, does that make it true? could the air i am breathing be mostly oxygen and nitrogen rather than " nitrogen and oxygen"?" The universe is expanding AND it's speeding up (we measured this from the speed that galaxies are moving away from us)... We don't know why this is, but all the gravity of all the things in the universe isn't going to be enough to slow it down, which will make our universe eventually "die" in what's been called the Heat Death... Hand on keyboard is true... I have seen myself doing it, but even YOU can determine that, by reading my replies to your questions, i have indeed been typing... As for the composition of the air you breath, we have invented a techniques called gas chromatography and spectrography that tells you what is exactly in the sample of air you're measuring... "sure i may be stupid for admitting that we may never know all there is to know about everything that is to know. maybe i take to heart the old saying "everything is relative" and that while there may be some proof for what is currently known, does that make it the final truth? IDK, remember my thoughts and understandings are stupid..... wait, maybe your thoughts and ideas are stupid.... i am so darn confused now." We have yet to determine what accounts for 85% of the gravity of the universe we measured, and 94% of all energy... We simply do not know how to account for these yet... So to claim we know everything is a big mistake... But even though science is adaptable, and obviously incomplete, the things that we DO know, are things we are certain about... We didn't throw out Newton's laws of gravity when Einstein gave us his theories of relativity, but found that the latter encompassed the former... And you'll have to explain the elephant reference for me there as I've not heard of it... Hope this all helped...

^ 'god of the gaps' is a futile argument for you too, I see :D

First of all, you are mistaken. I "believe" in the big bang just as much as I "believe" I am putting my fingers rapidly on a keyboard atm, or that the air I breathe is mostly nitrogen and oxygen... There is nothing supposed about the big bang (it wasn't even a 'bang'), as evidence is overwhelmingly available for this... The big bang as it is named (could've also been called Timmy's Giant Fart for that matter) is the rapid expansion of the universe we occupy and is still happening... We simply cannot look beyond the horizon of when the universe started, and maybe we never can (afterall, there can be no "before" if time itself didn't exist)... But 14 billion years of small natural steps in the evolution of this universe does nowhere suggest that at the beginning of it should be a supernatural creator. Even if there was a creator, coming from another universe or another dimension, it will not be one that is above the laws of the natural world that it occupies... One thing I know for certain though... The jealous and cruel psychopathic "god" that is described in the holy books of all Abrahamic religions is NOT this creator... We are the dominant species that has the self-aware capabilities to understand itself and its surrounding natural world who happen to occupy a portion of one insignificant blip of a planet in one uninteresting and completely unremarkable solar system which exists amongst many hundreds of millions of stars that make up one of hundreds of billions of galaxies... No creator of a universe, where if you were to be dropped butt-nekkid 99.9999999(...)999999% of all possible locations you'd instantly die, made this universe for us... So why is such a creator taken a special interest in us? Moreover, why must we love, worship and obey everything he "says" (he seems to only talk to a handful of people and then only when nobody else is around)? If he is the perfect being, why did he then make us imperfect, so that we have to be shameful for our imperfection and have to kneel because we are not everything that we cannot be? Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want, but I am also entitled to tell people that what they believe is stupid if it's proven to be stupid... I can refer back to my salt- and freshwater example from the quran here again, but all books are rife with these extremely stupid "teachings" that people still believe... THIS is why I know with enough certainty that I would bet my entire eternal afterlife in hell (should I be wrong) that god as found in the abrahamic religions does not exist...

Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all the same Abrahamic religion (Abraham is the guy that was asked by the supposed creator of the universe to sacrifice his son)... Just that Judaism 2.0 has had a few books added to it and some rewritten and renamed it the Bible... 3.0 is Islam yet has had similar changes... Btw take those percentages with a huge grain of salt... While many people do check the box when asked if they believe in a god, those checks quickly become crosses when you go into detail and ask those same people about specific things. The Quran for example states that salt and fresh water do not mix, only a tiny amount of muslims will actually say that they believe that... Many religious people come down in the category that "there must be SOMETHING out there.., right?" ... EDIT: What Missingno said tbh :) (didn't read that far down when I wrote this) PS: Always fun to debate religion vs atheism :) sadly this is not the thread for it...

Nor do they read yours. Or mine. Or anything else with any regularity. What's your point? Not true, I had a response from Jagex on my article on a potential botting solution early this year... "Can we steal it from you, not give you credit, and then claim that we came up with it and anyone who says else is a liar?" Thanks, Jagex ROFL... Well, even if they did use that idea and not give credit, I wouldn't mind it at all...

Nor do they read yours. Or mine. Or anything else with any regularity. What's your point? Not true, I had a response from Jagex on my article on a potential botting solution early this year...

^ but not a semi-permanent solution... Btw skeptic, I pulled that 70% number out of my ass... But, just as a sizeable portion kept playing when FT/W was removed, and just as a sizeable portion keeps on playing right now, I'll also think that a sizeable portion will continue to play whatever happens...

I don't know how their current system is built, but they should work on a model that allows them to make invisible, uninteractible(?) objects within the game with the IDs of legit things, like dragons and trees. These are both a technical solution, and therefor bot-programmers will eventually find a way to deal with them... I was at the previous Runefest, and therefor know how one of them insider sessions look like... If they should change anything in the format, they'd put a mic in the crowd that people can walk up to and ask their bot related question... That is, short of having an actual debate of a handful of selected players vs. the developpers... I agree with that, re-removing wilderness & free trade is an obvious part-fix, but I highly doubt they will go back on it. But desperate times, desperate measures & things are pretty desperate at the moment. As for something revolutionary, it's quite possible, something along lines of having a cheat detection program a requirement to play? That has the massive effect of having a download requirement though, and if that was to happen they might as well change the game to client based only, which could be potentially as destructive as re-removing wilderness & free trade. As I have said many times, I have thought about it a lot, it's mind baffeling trying to find a fix that wont damage player numbers, but is it worth the risk in what has to be a declining legitimate player-base anyway?* *personal opinion & not fact like some may state. I did think of one (see here)... But in all honesty, Jagex shouldn't care if 70% of their current subscriber base walks out the door, as long as they fixed the problem enough that f2p (their main advertising bit for subscribing) is playable again... F2P-ers are where subscribers come from, keep that pool filled and you can drink from it forever...

Whatever they do, it'd better not be yet anpother technical solution... I said this before, but... Anything you can come up with, goldfarmers/botters (there's still a diff?) will eventually adapt to it, and all the works has been for nothing... Hell, Jagex cheers about it every time it happens, but taking down a gold-selling site is simply not going to work as they just set up shop under a different name... So, "breaking bots" will either be something predictable, or revolutionary enough that it changes the game completely...

Btw, I could've sworn that, if you rightclicked good ole Azzy to examine him, his name was Azzandra (missing an "a" in there)

I'll not have a Tip.it T-shirt, but have the little Tip.it Times press thingy in my hat again :D

These 2 ingredients or that high lvl Prayer Potion is not what I had in mind when expanding the Farming skill...

Yeah... thats what I said ;) This has been my 5th skill review, btw (after Herblore, Summoning, Dungeoneering, and Cooking)... I do have ideas lined up for Hunter/Hunting and Firemaking skills. And the latter one of the two sure could use some expansion, wouldnt you agree? ;)

I think the Industrial revolution has changed human society more. But, that's a minor nit with an otherwise interesting and well-written article. I also enjoyed the interview with Jiblix, but I'm not surprised by Jagex's decision to de-mod him. I knew this argument was going to come up... :) But I think that, starting to have machines do heavy work for us is not as much of an impact as being able to stay in the same location (and start building the first towns) has been... The neolithic revolution was our first contra-evolutionairy step away from being better hunter-gatherers, where the industrial revolution allowed us to do more and more of the same really...

So Phox... A statement to make would be for all of us to simply stop subscription for a month or 2, and voila :)

I'll agree with the above poster in the way that, should jagex want to get more subscribers, new players in F2P shouldn't be immediately confronted with goldselling advertisements... Nor should they, once subscribed, find the exact same mess in P2P...

It will probably be better, but I will require a few people to help me out... I'll be recruiting a couple of em on the Night Before party :) Yes, exactly the same outfit (but probably a bit warmer with a scarf or soemthing), but I'll try to put my clan's gold pin at a more visible location (somewhat under my coat isnt good :P) Poke me when you see me, and even if I dont recognise you after several times, do not feel insulted... I'm probably not alone in not being able to remember every single person I meet, simply due to the sheer volume :D

When you look at the entire history of the game, the ONLY thing I truly blame Jagex for is this: They basically admitted defeat in the war on bots (MMG's statement), yet claimed they had new and improved methods to detect and ban them that would be implemented the same day that Free Trade and the Wilderness was reinstated... That has been a blatent lie, and therefor said reinstatements should not have happened... Argue what you will, but the period of 2008 to 2010 was simply better... Few people would have minded half as much game updates happened (due to diminished customer base), if it meant that the game would've been at least playable... If in such a time the Refer-a-Friend and Loyalty Programme were put in place, the accusations of Jagex being a moneygrabbing corporation would've died out much quicker... Jiblix pointed it out in his video, and I'm afraid I have to disagree with Rach on that... New players come into RuneScape, see the mess, and will question themselves on why they should ever subscribe = lost customer If that mess (see my previous arguments on how and why) wasn't there, that player will stick around longer simply because the game is playable, and is therefor not a lost, but a potential customer... If you're talking about the long term future of a company, that means you don't squeeze every little penny from the current player/customer base, but instead make sure that your playerbase is continually replenished while keeping the current playerbase as loyal as possible without forcing (I use the term loosely) them into it... That is all... PS: Most of this is a reply to Jaklumen's post btw :)