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Max is 28. Bandos' 1 higher range defence doesn't make up for the big drop in melee defence; Star and Zilly far make up for that. I do the same thing when meleeing, but range has it far easier and you don't even have to take purple sweets. I've found that most meleers end up taking a spirit terrorbird over a unicorn because of it (I'm looking at you, hemen :twisted: ). Pray flashing is annoying when your meleeing and don't have to pay much attention, it's very simple when your boss fighting (and not likely to be reading\surfing at the same time :lol: ) It's completely impossible if you click the prayer once and it immediately flashes on and then off(personal problem, but I'm sure the vast majority of people don't pray flash at all anyways). Star won't be alive as long to do damage, and from what I've seen, better armour really doesn't affect your damage taken from zil MUCH, it is of course lowered in the long run, but a series of single hits with a relatively large amount in between them(probably like 3-4 hits per kill if you're slow) has a very "long" run for that decrease in damage to become noticeable. Brees barrage is constant sometimes like when you get unlucky with the time that everyone attacked and you get hit by every single one of the horse mans arrows because you were the last to attack again right before bree can attack again...Of course the 1 extra point doesn't make MUCH of a difference, but the simple fact is that in any situation where having a higher number is optimal, 6783 will be better than 6782, regardless of how small the difference is, it is still there. Those are randomly chosen numbers that have no relation to the topic, by the way.

Well my only personal experience with a whip at bandos was when I attempted to solo with a whip and obsidian shield, and I didn't even get a full kill, but I can easily get 2 and possibly 3 kills if I get lucky(good specs+low amount of ranging) with a gs (I've used bandos and sara there, and personally preferr bandos). This just seems odd...I'm not willing to risk a defender there(i don't care how many defenders you have or how easy it was to get them; it was NOT easy to get them for me), but I seriously doubt that the 20ish accuracy will make THAT much of a difference, I could be wrong of course, but I'll leave that up to others to discover, and either way I'm personally not risking a defender in any even semi-dangerous situation.

Just a question to satisfy my personal interest... What exactly do you gain by "ranting?" Is it a desire to recieve opinions and feedback? that could be done through a normal discussion topic couldn't it? Is it...honestly i can't think of another purpose, what is your personal reason to want to "rant?"

Which "bosses" exactly? I'll assume that graardor stopped being considered a "boss" recently? Or perhaps you had others in mind. and monsters seem to have higher defenses than players(boss monsters I mean), which is why a whip is btter for players, and I used to do random duels with random people a lot, and I suppose that cannot be considered as a reliable experiment, but I got more wins overall using veracs. I seriously doubt that anyone uses vercs in PVP worlds/bh though. Isn't this completely off topic? --On topic-- Buy claws when you can.

"Not that much of a hassle" is less convenient than no hassle at all, correct? Maybe it is just me, but I turn run off while atacking, and only flip it on if she takes a liking to me. Really don't end up using that many sweets, but I suppose that the exact number that a "massive amount" consists of is subjective. Pray flashing is NOT an option for me anymore because my mouse often double clicks and other tiems is completely unresponsive, anyways did you not just comment on pray flashing to be a "pain?" or was that somone else? Bandos has HIGHER range defense than torags, and bree does the vast majority of the damage, at least to me. Starfire's pokes are annoying, but not that significant, and you should only be taking one hit from zil(max is 25ish, correct?), or none at all if you've got your mouse over the minimap ready to step away as soon as you here the "schwing" sound.

Ok, I see the misundrstanding, but have you ever actually tried being in a melee team? I don't see how you could think that kills would be faster via range if you had. Ruby specs DO speed up kills, but not enough to make up the lower damage rate. It is more dangerous though, yes this is true, but zil just doesn't have the KO ability to warrant fear in my opinion. Also, the increased prayer bonus is not enough to make prayer potions unnecessary when you up the level of prayer, so I don't. It is not a money issue, it is simply a matter of convenience. Also, doesn't the whole gp/hour factor become diminished when you do not spend every hour making money? I personally spend a lot of time loitering around banks and chatting, which I'm sure diminishes my gp/hour rates, but I still have a lot of expendable "income."

Players' defence are that low? Then how come people use verac's for PvP? What do you mean? Claws are more accurate, period - defence has nothing to do with it. Veracs are beaten by whip + defender for everything except torag\DFS tanks and prayer. Godswords outhit whips at high-defence monsters like black dragons and dark beasts. That a high-level player with good armor would have lower defence than said monsters is surprising to me. Not meaning to nitpick, but you might want to remove dragons from your example, 2handers usually don't fare too well against them.

Prayer bonus rules at wyverns, ranging is much better for sara, and risking bandos tassets while soloing for +2 strength (and getting hit a lot more by minions) is just stupid. Why would you be praying at wyverns? Melee rules there, and I never use prayer other than the momentary bits of piety for d mace specs. Ranging achieves longer trips with more total kills, this is true, but "better" is a subjective term. "Better" could mean faster kills and short trips. I personally don't have time for the 6 hour range trips very often. You're not risking tassets...unless you decide to skull before solo trips for some reason, and they have they same magic malus as barrows, with a slightly greater range defense value. The ony minions hitting you will be range and mage, so I don't see your logic there. That is, unless you use a combination of karils top/bottom and a barrows top/bottom like I do, in which case you would only substitute the relative piece of equipment, I just assumed that doing that would be obvious enough to be understood without further explanation. If you earn over 200k per hour, as the OP obviously can, you should be praying at least +10% strength any time you are training. +8 prayer > +4 strength. Ranging also happens to be faster and less risky, I don't know of any advantages to melee. That is +6 strength bonus, and as said before, I use the 5% prayers. 75 points usually lasts long enough to kill the 20ish wyverns that it takes for a full load(barring times when I accidentily leave piety on). faster? that is simply not true at all, not sure where you got that idea. I suppose that you could use onyx bolts, and maybe be faster, but that seems impractical...less risky? I don't see how it's any more risky than meleeing fire giants, their max hits are similar if I remember correctly, granted wyverns do hit more consistantly, they don't do so enough to pose any real threat as long as you glance at the screen at least every 2 minutes or so. EDIT: The "best" bandos setup for an attacker is, in my opinion, karil top, bandos tass, d boots, gs, fury, neitz, rol, cape etc, but it seems easier to find a team when "full bandos" is part of your resume.

Prayer bonus rules at wyverns, ranging is much better for sara, and risking bandos tassets while soloing for +2 strength (and getting hit a lot more by minions) is just stupid. Why would you be praying at wyverns? Melee rules there, and I never use prayer other than the momentary bits of piety for d mace specs. Ranging achieves longer trips with more total kills, this is true, but "better" is a subjective term. "Better" could mean faster kills and short trips. I personally don't have time for the 6 hour range trips very often. You're not risking tassets...unless you decide to skull before solo trips for some reason, and they have they same magic malus as barrows, with a slightly greater range defense value. The ony minions hitting you will be range and mage, so I don't see your logic there. That is, unless you use a combination of karils top/bottom and a barrows top/bottom like I do, in which case you would only substitute the relative piece of equipment, I just assumed that doing that would be obvious enough to be understood without further explanation.

Claws are more consistant with their KO potential than ags's are in my personal experience, so I would aim for the claws, the only positive with AGS is the ability to use better equipment due to the high alch value(yes I know that you can use whatever equipment that you want and risk losing your weapon, but that is idiotic, and I personally don't condone idiocy.) That parenthetical(is that a word?) bit is just to preempt any smart [wagon].

You should use it as a way to decrease excess bank space, like me. It's a worthless piece of garbage and I wish that i didn't waste my life getting it. They are good at pest control, because damage taken is relatively meaningless, but in any situation where not getting hit would benefit you, any barrows plate(and probably even veracs) would be much more useful than the *chance* of increasing your max hit by 1. Even a rune plate would be better for general training because monsters often use crush and stab attacks as well as slash.

Bandos has a few nice uses... Bandos has the highest range defense in the game, so it's the best for wyverns, sara, and bandos soloing(or tankining if you don't use guthans for some reason). Bandos gives you a total of 6 strength and 2 prayer bonus, as opposed to the 8 or so prayer that you get from veracs top/bottom. I personally used to use veracs because I use the 5% str or accuracy prayer depending on the monster that I'm slaying and veracs made my prayer last indefinately with SGS specs. Using bandos makes my prayer drain rate outpace spec restores by a bit and now I somtiems take an extra p pot along, but it also increases my max hit by 1 I assume and removes the hassle of repairing armour. If you're asking if bandos is *necessary* the answer is no, it is just not needed at all. However, if the question is whether or not it has any use, then the answer is yes, and since you've recently come into a large sum of money that I'm sure you have no idea how to spend, there's no reason not to increase the quality of your playing experience slightly.

Mentiroso... :^o Also, the VAST majority of the prices of commonly GE traded things have dropped since its inception....so not sure what the above poster who i don't feel like quoting is talking about.

Didn't Piscatoris used to be an island before hunter was added and then they filled it in? Or am I imagining things? Something like that could always be done again possibly, or for the first time if it never happened.

I'm betting that a second look at a quest guide or te item database could help you, but the more interesting thing for me personally is pointing out that the current connotations of the word "life" are usually idiotic and wrong. If you are alive, you by definition have a life, correct? Forums are just another way to communicate, and if you communicate moronicly you will be treated as such. note that I'm not calling you an idiot or moron, but you will generally get a better reaction from people if you don't communicate like one, and then you will most likely have more time to go out and live your life. Good luck figuring this out.

Not really...it's honestly not hard at all...The hardest part is probably the initial luring and then singling out the demon that spawns near the safespots. My setup is... Search youtube a bit, the lure where you run through the middle with mage pray and then kill them one at a time by stepping out from behind the large rock is the best. After each kill wait a bit before you lure out the next one to see if the one that you just killed will spawn right in fron of you. If it does while you still have 2 or mroe blocked, you're set for the trip. If you've only got one left blocked, you'll probably be ok but you'll need to be attentive. If it is the last one that you kill, you should lure them again, because if you try to stay at the spot you'll probably get jumped by at least one of the others pretty soon. If you get a big shark drop and don't mind risking it, turn off prayer when it switches to melee attacking(it won't switch attack style if you don't melee prot pray) until it does the scream mage combo thing. Their melee attack is pathetically weak, and their range is the strongest, and that's where most of your food will be lost(you should only take one hit because sometimes you can't see their attack animation while they switch style). Just ask if you need clarification.

You have to constantly check the GE prices because they change...constantly...However, usually the higher leveled pouches have a better conversion rate, the lower leveled ones are easier to buy, and crimsons are usually the only reasonable ones that you can get in large quantities at a fast pace. And no, not terrorbirds.

You don't seem to have any purpose in mind for either of these, so you should probably buy somthign that would be useful o you... DFS is a luxury item, it's not necessary in any situation. Whereas you can't get a decent bandos team withotu a godsword, which will actuall have the potential to pay for itself over time. A DFS is not needed at all for slayer really. The only task where it really makes much of a difference is at skeletal wyverns. It's better to use an anti fire shield while ranging(don't mage dragons) because DFS has -5 range bonus, and unless you use the more dangerous methods you'll be praying against duradel's dragons(blacks, irons, steels, miths), so the defensive boost is useless. the 7 str bonus does help a bit, but it's not necessary. So for you, I would say neither, but for anyone who had more of a goal in ming I would advise that you get the sword.

Void doesn't give any attack bonuses. It simply increases damage. Void increase 15% attack bonus, am i wrong? :o just a little wrong, it gives +10% to attack and damage Its between 12-13% to attack and damage. Straw is correct

Well after a few mroe minutes of retyping the number and all the other information it worked...so not sure what was up with that, but whatever...

That's a yes to all of those questions, Iw as just wondering if there was some reason why it instantly said that the numbers was not valid. Even if I typed it wrong, wouldn't it take some time for them to check and realize this? Also, I'm typing the number out directly from the card, and I've tried SEVERAl times now, so I seriously doubt that I've mistyped it every single time. I was just wondering if there was some blatantly obvious format thing that I didn't know about or something, guess not.

Well, I was bored and decided to get a funorb membership to play this aog game with a few more options, but I keep getting this... * That is not a valid card number Under the place where you enter the credit card number. I've tried copying the number with and without the spaces without any success...and i don't want to gt locked out for trying too many times or something. It's a 16 digit visa number, am I supposed to leave some numbers out or something? I tried entering it without the last 4 numbers, because I thought that that would work for some reason, but it did not. Any help would be appreciated.

Go for maximum range defense, their range attack is the strongest, or at least I noticed less damage in bandos top/bottom than karils top/bandos bottom.

Meleeing them is so much better...you can stay down there indefinately(well until the horse dies)with unicorns, and I'm sure you'd be fine with just a bit of extra food and a bunyip/titan/I forgot your summoning level. You should really take a look at kermit's guide in AOW, "misunderstood monsters" I believe. I use... ++Equipped -slayer hat -fury>glory -bandos top>barrows plate(bandos has higher range defense, and their melee attack is pathetic) -bandos bottom>barrows legs -d boots -whip -dfs>mind shield -quest cape -barrows gloves -wealth ++Inventory -tab -gem -pony scrolls -d mace(better than dds) for specs -1 of each charm as placeholder -1 pure set -monkfish spam No prayer necessary, just hack away until they drop and eat while you're frozen. maybe take a t bird filled with more food and switch to bunyip after it's cashed if necessary. I usually bank after a full inventory or halfway through the task.

It's and old glitch that's been fixed, and I'm curious as to why this person keeps posting that video...