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The word Emo is fairly new to me. I guess i first heard it about 3 to 4 years ago. Yet the concept sounds pretty familar to me. I guess i am/was what would be labeled an Emo myself already 10 years ago. So i wonder when did this term evolve, when did this "movement" (if it can be called that way) start? People delving in melancholy can hardly be something new after all. (Smashing Pumpkins - Melanie Chollie and the infinite sadness... anybody?)

I'm not denying it happens, I'm just saying that it's got nothing to do with Christian principles. This is a huge issue imo. It seems like guilt and christianity are closely knit. It appears to me however that christianity should be the cure to guilt, because god is supposed to forgive everything. So actually you wouldn't have to worry about your sins, as long as you love (god). I certainly don't believe in a god like christians do, but i'm interested in the bibel and expecially in Jesus, who seemed to know quite a bit.

I agree on that one. I also agree that spirituality is quite an important thing. Your argumentation on why you don't believe in Evolution is miserable. It could be presented in a much more convincing way. I agree with Paperclips that the Bibel says that there is no free will.

I see it the same way. I trust Russia about as much as the US. Hm.. on second thought i trust the US less. They have pretty aggressive foreigne politics and lable completely harmless countries like Iran "the evil".

This thread was more interesting to me then i thought it could be. Answer to your statement (o.0 answering a statment...): Yes the child goes to hell and couldn't do anything about it, according to what i know about all ths hell thing. My question in turn is, why the pastor couldn't answer the question. It seems he tried to avoid the question, because it's very unlikely that a man in his position never encountered the question before. The concept of a hellish state of being makes perfect sense to my metaphysical understanding, but it doesn't make sense at all that a god would design a hell for punishment. Imo punishment is too antropomorph a concept alltogether to be applied to an omnipotent being. What would such a being achieve, especially if it's a well meaning being? As stated earlier a problem of this discussion is that "christianity" is a divided bunch.

I'm not really up to date on the game. How is a black/white rebel deck supposed to work? I just know blue/white (with counterspells) and red/white (with burn). My favourite decks are: black/white creatureless control deck featuring pyhrexian arena as a card drawing engine, wrath of god, smother and vindicate as removal. I negate the drawback of the arena using a white enchantment that makes me gain life. The deck is too slow for a competitive environment. red/blue aggro control with lots of cheap burn (shock, seal of fire, grim lavamancer, fire/ice) and a bunch of cheap fliers like [bleep]etail hatchling plus reckless charge. I also have card drawing mechanics in there, but i forgot wich ones. Haven't played in a while. I also got a black/red deck that takes advantage of echo creatures like avalanche riders using blacks graveyard recursion abilities. I got Balthor the defiled as a killing card in there. It's a nice deck with a lot of options. Then i have this multicolored deck with lots of enchantments and enchantment browsing utilities like enlightened tutor. It also has a bunch of mana acceleration. The idea is first to play some walls for stalement, then to bring out two or three Raka Sanctuaries to kill of any opposing creatures and to protect my enchantments with sterling grove. Eventually i'll bring out a Palinchron or an Iriscendent Angel either by hard cast or through Defense of the Heart. I also have a combo in there that would give me unlimited turns using Second chance and Hanna, Ship's Navigator, but in praxis i never won this way. I have a pathetic Opposition deck as well and a quite okay Counter Rebel deck. None of my decks stands a chance against serious competition, but they are fun to play and i enjoyed to build them. Most of them could do with some improvement though. The black/white features a lot of rare cards, while the others are comparatively cheap.

Exodus 7 1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. 2 You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country. 3 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, 4 he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. 5 And the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it." Well, yes the Pharao did make a choice. I wouldn't exactly call that free will though. I don't think christianity and free will are compatible at all. Paperclip pointed out that it isn't about right or wrong, or even good and evil. It's about love. Also isn't it so that we are redeemed for all our sins as soon as we accept god? Wouldn't that mean we can do anything, right or wrong, good or evil and be redeemed? I guess the big problem is that the bibel is highly contradictional. You can interprete it in numerous ways. The book is composed of bits and pieces written over the course of 3 millenia. It contains stories, heritage tables, laws and prayers. Wouldn't it be sufficient toa christian just to live by the delivered teachings of Jesus, instead of the whole bibel? Also there are uncountable different religiouns and sects all based on the bibel, most of them labeling themselves christian, yet they all disagree on certain issues. At best there could only be one of these that is completely right. That fact alone should be enough to make everybody find their own truth. It is very unlikely that the particular religious group you are following is completely right. The best thing you can do, is to ask yourself what you want to accept and what you don't want to accept. I guess the thread is inherently flawed because christianity is to broad a subject. There is no such thing as the "christian religion". There are many religions that share some similarities and are therfor grouped together. Yet they are too different to be thrown into one pot and discussed about.

They don't exactly have to make it a law. A teacher who wouldn't allow a student to voice his or her opinion, as long as it is at least semi-relevant to the topic isn't worth his salt anyway.

I used to play Magic the gathering.

I always use a stall if any possible. For showers.. i didn't like that when i was younger, but i don't really care anymore. In Capoeira training we even had mixed showers. Nude people of both genders hopping around felt more natural to me then just guys. I felt wierd though when i did jazz dance and i was the only guy in a dressing room full of women. Thankfully i got a place to change for my own pretty soon.

I quote myself here because: a) I'm an attention seeker and nobody seemed to even read my post and B) i think this is an interesting point

Have you watched the videos? They are well worth seeing.

Hm.. you could interpret it that way: Believing in god and accepting the teachings of Jesus is a "metaphysical" necessity for the soul to be in a healthy state. As long as you don't the soul will suffer. Like it is a necessity to eat healthy and keep in shape. Otherwise your body will suffer. Nobody complains about this, or think it's unfair in any way. So maybe love and faith is nourishment for the soul and Jesus kindly points out that "fact" (fact in the sense of this interpretation). Different gods might contain too much sugar or fat and aren't healthy. You may eat them, but it will harm you in the long run. I'm not religious at all, but imo that is the only way it would make sense.

I just think it doesn't serve anybody, when everybody just says: "Nice, dude!", so i try to voice what i don't like too much. Imo you really, really should get your own beats. Singing over a completely arranged track will limit you. Yes, it may sound better this way at first, but in the long run you will strongly benefit from getting your own beats. Just start with a very basic beat, like: bum, chack, bum-bum, chack. You could just get yourself a sequenzer on your computer. That will do. If you are lucky you'll find yourself a drummer. The important thing is the rap after all. With simple beats, you'll have to focus much more on your voice to make it sound good. I'm not really into hip-hop. I recall a song by the outcast though that really just has a very simplistic beat (idk if all there songs are that way). There is no need to make beats like a soundengineer with 20 years of experience to make a good song. The tracks you choose are so perfectionistic arranged that you could basically do anything with your voice and it still would sound good, so if you want to improve (and there is always room for improvement) this way of doing things will cripple you. It's a bit like driving a car with automatic and tempomat. So... stop limiting yourself. I don't know where you want to go with your music. I just think a bit of well meaning critics from one musician to another can't hurt and i hope i didn't sound rude or anything. Your voice is good.

-.- Hm.. idk. I'm too tired at to listen to the lyrics. So all in all i have to say: Make yourself some beats and stuff. It's not too hard. About the rapping: Sounds a bit unauthentic. To me it seems that you haven't found your true musical self yet. Nevertheless it's very cool that you do what you do.

Die ÃÆÃââââ¬Ã¾rzte (translated: the doctors) are one of the most famous german rock bands and one of my favourite bands since my early teens. They are smart, good looking and most of all funny. Although their music is awsome, it's their lyrics that truely shine. They pack incredible witty messages into simple rhymes never taking themselves too serious. Some of their songs critcize society, whereas others are just provokative and others plainly stupid. They often get into trouble with censorship because of songs like "Geschwisterliebe" (trans. Sibling love) that is about well.. a 16 year old who [bleep]s his 14 year old sister (and she likes it). Another famous song of theirs (or rather a song series) is about Claudia who loves her dog very much, later horses and in the end even whales. Their masquote is Gwendolyne from their song of the same name: Claudia and Gwendolyne both are from the period between 1985 and 1992. In 1992 their new album "Bestie in Menschengestalt" (trans. Manshaped beast) with the hit "Schrei nach liebe"(trans. Scream for love) (some lyrics: your violent behavior is just a silent scream for love, you never learned to articulate yourself and your parents didn't have time for you, [wagon].) featured their new bassist. Since then the band consists out of Bela (drums), Farin (guitar; Farin Urlaub, his full name is a word play. "Fahr in Urlaub" means translated: Go on holidays!) and Rod (bass). All of them sing. Also it's since then that their songs became much more clever and thought provoking. It's a pity that they limited themselves to german speaking countries. Although you might not understand the lyrics, i picked some videos that are appealing to the eye and will try some translations: (Actually it's pretty hard to pick songs, because die ÃÆÃâÃâärzte have written hundreds of them well somewhere between 200 ad 300 i guess. So the choices are mostly based on the videos) (trans. Unrockable) I often cursed the day i met you I've tried everything, i have beyond the starshining sky of mexico played my favourite music to you you didn't move - that angered me You say, you don't find the beat but Ricky Martin is cute He is so disgusting as we both are different Baby, i like you, it's true but it'll never work out between us One thing is clear: You are unrockable You don't know what a shock it was: My girlfriend is unrockable How can you clamly sit hearing the beatseaks when pop songs make you cry Since you live at my place, Shakira is running in the house i can't stand it anymore - i think i'll kick you out You say you like it quite and peaceful Don't be so uncomfortable Your cuitepie thing won't work (on me) pack your stuff, ciao - see you Yes, you have pictured us on the wedding day Baby, this will never happen you are completely and utterly unrockable Baby, don't see it that bad, start to (head)bang then you'll finally get that the rock rules the world (trans. peace tank; this video has subtitles. they are a bit hard to read though) Die fette Elke (trans: fat Elke; Elke is a german female name) It all began when she called me, i already fell her voice sounded so tender and so cute in my ears she sent me a photo, my heart nearly stopped she looked like a piece of pizza, 100 times as pretty though i wrote her a love letter, it even smelled of roses and 12 seconds later we where a pair Elke, the fat Elke we met, alone at her place she looked even fatter then she did on the photo i layed my arms around her, well i tried i fell into her fat tissue, like into a chasm she's really huge, 3 meters in cubic nevermind this line.. Elke i had dinner with elke, really nice in candle light i ate a bit of tofu, she ate a whole pig Elke is so cute, i'm really falling for her during summer she throws a shadow, in winter she keeps me warm she has really heavy thighs, she is infinitely fat recently i got on her, with out breathing mask Elke I called her my hippo, i was joking of course still i broke her thick, fat heart and she died of that, my sweet little darling i couldn't bury her, because there wasn't enough space on the graveyard Elke Quark (trans. hm.. [cabbage]? fubar? "Du redest quark" ~ "You talk nonsense") Die ÃÆÃââââ¬Ã¾rzte modified the original lyrics for a more political message: Since i know you, i have a problem You get extremyl on my nervs You say you life for the people, around the clock Your cheeks aren't even turning red, how do you do that? Give me a chance. Shut up for once. Slowly i'm getting angry and not without reason I'd like to vote you out of office, but then another one will come, who is just the same as you You are talking Quark, the whole day long Nobody believes your lies anymore You have told the whole nonsense 10000 times already You talk without a break, you talk loud and fast You don't even think about what you say, it's sensational You shake a couple hands and then you strike a child next you smile into the camera i wanted to liquidate you, but you are too well protected someday i'll come for you, in the middle of the night You are talking quark, in the congress you are talking quark the whole day Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ... You are talking quark you are talking [cabbage] you are talking garbage you are talking nonsense you are talking quark and you are talking, you are talking quark Let's leave it here for now. Enjoy! EDIT: Here are the original lyrics of "Quark": Since i know you i have a problem You get extremly on my nerves, baby You are talking without (full stop and comma) a break around the clock You won't even (stop) to take a breath How are you doing that Give me a break, at least go out of the room this constant blathering, nobody can bear this a waterfall is harmless compard to you i can't even close my ears, it's terrible you are talking quark, the whole day long nobody pays us a visit anymore, you have tortured them too much you have already told me your life story 10000 times you are talking without break, you are talking loud and fast that your vocal chords aren't breaking - it's a sensation Give me a break, shut up for once slowly i'm getting deaf, my ears are already sour i wanted to excorcise you, but i didn't get a chance to speak what are my options now - harakiri or murder? You are talking quark Since i'm already in the mood, here are some translations of older songs: Sweet, sweet Gwendolyne In a little hut, there lives sweet Gwendolyne i knocked on the door and she let me come in she had a cable, with it she tied me in Sweet, sweet Gwendolyne - oh, oh, oh sweet, sweet Gwendolyne I sat alone in the dark, i didn't know why the shackles hurt, still i stayed silent i was gagged, i couldn't even scream Sweet, sweet Gwendolyne Finally she unties me, now she gets tied in herself i shackle and gag her, so she doesn't move you could send her as a post packet perfectly now you could also ideally in this position ... (female singer) Oh darling you drive me crazy You treat me so good as long as you have me tied, i'll stay with you Tomorrow i'll let you free - maybe sweet, sweet gwendolyne Claudia (part 1) Claudia has a shepard dog and not without reason Claudia looks terrific Everybody has a crush for her Isn't it very mean that nobody can have her? Because Claudia has a shepard dog and not without reason in the evening he jumps into her bed and then there's some action Claudia doesn't like guys neither is she a lesbian she prefers to do it with her doggy beyond the dinner table Claudia has a shepard dog... (1985; too late) Why have you done this to me? I have heard it from a friend You have a new boyfriend for two weeks i only cried Now you look away, don't great me anymore and i still love you so much I know what you like about him: i'm poor and he got money You just love him, because he has a car and not like me a shaky lady's bike One day i'll take revenge and will break the hearts of all girls then i'll be a star and i'll be in the newspaper you'll be sorry, but then it's too late You went into the teater with him i just read comic books to you You had dinner with him, of course in the Ritz with me you just had curry sausage with french fries The thought sends me into the grave he got, what i can't have i hate him, like i loved you before i wanted to beat him up, your superman i didn't know he could do karate One day i'll take revenge I'll break the hearts of all girls i'll be a star and you'll be following me around but then it's too late and i won't know you anymore Some more recent songs: Meine Ex(plodierte Freundin) (My Ex(ploded girlfriend)) Yesterday night my girlfriend exploded it wasn't expecting it, that's why i got blood all over my face who would suspect her reacting this way esterday night my girfriend exploded daily you read in the newspaper about spontanous explosions switching page one thinks: fate will hopefully spare me i ask you, how could this happen? my baby, was my one and only and etre nous: she was pretty she had a sweet body, like the one from the Krupps - what was his name - DÃÆÃâÃâörper I immediately called the police and said: come over here, man! my girfriend is passÃÆÃâÃâé like saluting gun fire she flew across my ears, no wonder that i'm sad i didn't just lose a woman, no also the bed sheats are gone i was about to kiss her, then there was a bang she was lying next to me, now she's everywhere across the room yesterday night my girfriend exploded, luckily i was wearing an integral helmet, thats why nothing happend to me who would have anticipated her reacting this way yesterday night my girlfriend exploded when my first great loveignited spontaneously i was laughing out loud the next one got abducted by aliens i didn't think any more about it girlfriend numer three, was gone very soon she petrified, i thought that was normal but when the fourth one exploded, it ocurred to me being my partner isn't exactly harmless (Men are pigs) Hello my darling, i love you You are the only one to me all the others are stupid that's why i court you You are so different, so special i immediately notice such things Now take off your clothes and lay down because i'm so in love with you It's getting dark, soon it turns night there's a word of warning appropriate: Men are pigs don't trust them my child all of them want one thing because men are that way A man just feels as a man, when he can do you He lies trough his teeth just to get you into bed And on the next morning he doesn't even know your name anymore reckless and uninhibited feelings are completely alien to him Love equals samenloss to him Girl be always aware of that! Men are pigs don't expect sunshine unfortunately there are no exceptions in every men there is always a pig Men are pigs don't believe a word they say they swear to be faithful forever and are gone in the next morning and if you make the mistake and get yourself a husband your gentlemen will mutate into an animal after the wedding Then he shows his true self unshaved and disgusting drinks bear, watches TV and gets fat really fast burps and farts in marriage bed men are pigs don't trust them, my child they all want one thing they are blind to true love Men are rats face them only with cunning they want to mate everything that isn't on the trees on the count of three (My baby was at the hairdresser) My baby was at a hairdresser now i can't stand her anymore my baby got a haircut now i don't like her anymore She used to be beautiful now i don't want to see her anymore Life is tough, life is tough, my baby was at a hairdresser My baby was at the hairdresser now she doesn't look like anything anymore I hardly reckognized her when she stood before me She paid the hairdresser a lot of money to make him disfigure her It's not fair, it's not fair my baby was at the hairdresser My baby was at the hairdresser now she's ugly, really ugly I'll have to break up with her i wouldn't want to kiss her (even) in the dark If somebody still finds her attractive he can have her Quel Malheur! Quel Malheur! My baby was at the hairdresser My baby was at the hairdresser now she's got a pound less she was at a hairstylist i'll never fist her again She was a feast for the eyes now she makes me vomit yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my baby was at the hairdresser Recently Farin Urlaub recorded a solo album: The music of these two pretty much speaks for itself. Even though nobody even reads this thread, i just enjoy expanding it. They used to play the song Super 3 at the beginning of their concerts. Finally it's time again and we are brilliant again like always smarter then the rest, don't be envious we are the best band in the world - in all modesty did you miss us? do you get now that life is more beutiful with us? are you happy again? good for you we say hello, we are back - we are here we stalk around schools, sell crack to little children we sing lewd songs and stay out long at nights we never heard about table manners and seldom use forks the record label sends a fat check to us every year did you miss us? did you secretly cry and mark the days in the calendar? yes we are back and it smells like urine we are die ÃÆÃââââ¬Ã¾rzte from Berlin - from Berlin like a hailstorm on a summer day like a sudden discordance in the most beautiful melody some people think it's [cabbage], others think it's cool like every year - we are back again remember: there's only one god - belafarinrod I guess you couldn't write such cool lyrics if you'd take yourself too serious. Here's a completely ridiculous on the german MTV: The moderator asks Farin a question, you don't understand a word she says though, because she's gagged. Farin answers: "Sure. Good question by the way." Then Farin announces a call: "She's 25, from Berlin, beautiful and incredible smart. Hello Jenny!" "Hello". "Is everything correct?" "Blah, blah" "Do you have a question to, or do you want me to dance for you?" "Dancing would be nice, but i wanted to ask you, how it is for you to listen to your own music." Farin: "Okay, i'll dance the question and then the answer." Farin dances. "Do you have another question, because we have to kill time until the commercial break." Then she tells him she's going to be at all three of their coming concerts." He asks her where they are and when. She tells him. Just before the commercial break Farin says: "Ah commercial break. Buy lots of stuff!" Their most recent video was released a week ago: Junge (Boy) or here is the censored version for little children or people who are scared by zombies =P Boy, why didn't you learn anything? Look at Dieter, he even has a car. Why don't you go to uncle Werner in his (workshop, garrage?) He'll give you a permanent job, if you ask him. Boy.. How do you look again - holes in your pants and always this noise (What will the neighbors say?) and your hair - i don't know what to say, did you have to dye it? (What will the neighbors say?) How are you comming home, we don't know what to do about you anymore Boy, don't break your mothers heart It's not yet too late to inscribe to university You were so interested in animals, wouldn't that be something, your own practice? Boy.. How do you look again - holes in your nose and always this noise (What will the neighbors say?) electric guitars and always these lyrics Who would want to hear that? (What will the neighbors say?) How do you come home, so much bad influence, we will disinherit you (What will the taxman say?) Where is this supposed to go, we are just worried (and you were such a sweet child) 4x and always your friends, you all are doing drugs, aren't you? and always this noise (What will the neighbors say?) Think on your future, think on your parents you are killing us

I'd take my palats[racist term]en, uh.. crep̮̻̉̉s with ice cream. yummy =) Not sure about the waffles. Only had them once in my life - when i was in the US. I drowned them in maple syrup. I guess they'd also be tasty with bananas, cream and choclate. Just take all those berries off. Hm.. suddenly i have the urge to visite the US again...

OMG! People get shot, raped, murdered, tortured every day. Not a year passes without thousands get slaughtered because of their race. Parents beat their babies to death, we got soo much traffic that i don't know how many die just because the world is busy place. How many young (and older) people kill themselves, because they can't stand their lives any longer? People drown themselves in narcotics, TV or stupid computer games. Don't get me started with how we treat animals or the environment in general. Why the [bleep] is everybody making such a fuzz about this particular incident?! Are you people [bleep]ing blind? (Sorry for the outburst. I just don't get it.)

0.266 I drank half a bottle port wine though. (I doubt however i would get better results if i wa sober.) 0.234 is my personal best, usually it stays around these .25, .26 though.

Well... Kurt Cobain blew his head off.

I'm with you at that. People get slaughtered every day all over the world.

I got a history of schizophreny. Does that count as personality disorder? anyway... test results: Paranoid |||||||||| 34% 49% Schizoid |||||||||||||||| 62% 53% Schizotypal |||||||||||||||| 70% 53% Antisocial |||||||||||| 42% 47% Borderline |||||||||||||| 54% 47% Histrionic |||||||||||| 46% 43% Narcissistic |||||||||||||| 54% 41% Avoidant |||||||||||| 50% 39% Dependent |||||||||||| 42% 37% Obsessive-Compulsive |||||| 26% 40% kinda average i guess

They are okay. Just not my sound. Although they were on Roskilde Festival 2000 or 2001 and i heard them there. They are incredible intense on stage (and that's from somebody who wouldn't listen to their records). So if you get a chance to see them live - go for it! EDIT: At least this is about a band i know and not about some bands from the past, where the members have all OD'd long time ago, or about some of the new stuff i hardly know at all. I'm a child of the 90s (was born 82). Everything before that is too old and everything afterwards too new for me to know.

Mh.. they'll still have TV...

Most people are probably more concerned about Spiritual Mages, but since i don't have slayer lvl 83 i have to bother myself with their "lesser" brothers and sisters. I already was given two assignments to slay Warriors (162 and 138). They are a bit time consuming i feel. Idk exactly why, i feel they have pretty good meele defence. however i like their drops: Lots of good high alch material (Addy full & Mith legs) plus some goodies like a rune kite or hally. These guys also are constantly fighting, so you can just stab them in the back pretty often. Today i got my first Rangers assignment (198 of them). Atm i have killed about 75 of them and i consider Burthroping, even though i hardly ever do that. I got 300 Range Defence Bonus and Defence lvl of 78 (wich i feel should be enough to deal with such a opponent), yet they hit often and they hit high (up to 16s). If that wouldn't be enough they seem to have a pretty good defence, considering that i'm meeling a ranger and approximately 70-80 hitpoints. The way it turns out i have to heal myself on bloodvelds or whatever every three rangers tops. Usually after every one or two kills. I don't have a clue, how i am supposed to deal with them. (I guess the only viable option would be to constantly pray). I like their drops at least. Almost everything is stackable. What are your experiences with the new slayer tasks?