kelem_ryu

What if I rephrase "left alone" to "without unnatural intervention"? Then thats a different meaning which to me means very little. You are not clearing up your definition of what you consider to be "human" because you have not yet responded to my first paragraph. roflmao! Kant and Hume discussing. Splendid! Immanuel, David you are lost in detail there. Mr Kant, i have a question: Can you explain to me, why killing an unborn baby as soon as you would consider it human isn't moral? We got a very interesting point here. The embryo needs it's mother to develop. The mother however is a being able to make and execute choices. Especially Kant should agree, if i'd say it would statisfy the category imperative to let every person choose to accept or reject people in need.

Not having to compete for example. Well maybe we were made, maybe we evolved... however.. we got that mind and can do whatever with it. We can also use our teeth to rip down womens underpanties and teeth definitely weren't designed for that.

lol! I agree.

Why are we discussing some messed up photos?

jesas na! hier spricht ja jemand deutsch :shock: on topic: that's not a bad idea. i'll compile a list. Well here it goes. Things i want to do or just want in say the next half of a year (in no particular order): - Write a song - Write an essay - Get 25000 Euro - [bleep] a lot - Get a haircut - Get some new clothes - Meet a girl that makes me do things i'd never do on my own and make her my girfriend -Have some fun I really couldn't ask for more

Palats[racist term]en(Austrian version of CrÃÆÃâÃâêpe): most recipies say you'd have to use milk and eggs, but since i hadn't any milk or eggs ready: -water (bascially you should substitude it for milk) -flour (MUST NOT be coarse grained) -oil -jam (or syrup, but the stuff is waay to expensive where i live, like 5 Euros for 1/4 litre; or ice cream of course :D; basically you could put anything in there). -if you feel like it, add an egg heat some oil in the pan, so that the bottom is covered. whilst the pan is heating up mix water and flour until you like the consistence. throw som of this stuff into the pan, wait a little, then turn once. every now and then add some oil to the pan. Noodles with vegetables -noodles -vegetables -oil -spices (like oregano, salt, pepper) cook the noodles (or rice, doesn't really matter). chop all the vegetables you got into small pieces and put them in a hot pan (with oil in there). cook them, spice them, pour them on the noodles, eat them. even simpler as pie. mh.. vegetables that are hard, like carrots have to be cooked a little longer then say tomatoes. so put them in the pan a little longer Bisquite Roulladelooks something like this -eggs -flour (i think coarse grinded this time. you may have universal flour, that works for everything) -water -powder sugar -jam -this paper you put on a bakin tray -kitchen machine -oven i'd take 3 or 4 eggs, but the ratio is important: For each egg you use, take one eating spoon of water, 2.5g flour and 3g powder sugar. Heat the stove to 200ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâð Celsius. mix eggs, powder sugar and water in your kitchen machine and let it stir at the fastest speed. It should get all creamy. Don't stir it too long or it will collapse and the creaminess lvl will reduce. So when it's creamy enough, slow the machine down, just to add the flour. When the flour is all mixed in and you got a homogenous, creamy mixture put that on a backing tray (don't forget to put baking paper on there first). You want a thin layer of dough (roughly 5mm). Now put the tray into the preheated oven for about 10 minutes or so. Take it out, put jam on the whole thing and roll it. you may want to put some powder sugar on top of it. Veggie Burger a la Kelem Ryu: I made these things only once, when i was in a mood to experiment. Although they were very tasty, they are too much a hassle to make. -Everything you need to make Pizza dough + a recipie -Potatoes -Flour (any kind) -Tomatoes -Cheese (the kind you put on toast) -pepper (these green vegetables) -green salad -spices -ketchup Use your Pizza dough recipie to generate some kind of bread you could use to build your burger with. Put the potatoes in hot water and cook them troughoutly, until they are as soft as possible. Mash them up, add flour as needed, so they won't fall apart add spices and form loafs. Put them into a heated pan (with oil in there). Cook them until they are nicely done. Put into your burger bread thingy, put some cheese, tomatoes, pepper, green salad and ketchup in there as well. Enjoy! Sweet noodles Again a very simplistic recipie -Noodles -SemmelbrÃÆÃâÃâösel (That's basically completely dried white bread, ground uplooks like this) -powder sugar -oil cook the noodles. put the semmelbrÃÆÃâÃâösel into a pan with a little oil and roast them until they have a nice color. Add more oil as needed. (use as little oil as possible). Add the powdered sugar and try this mixture. put this on top of the noodles.

The point is to care about more then just yourself. As it is atm everybody is in it for themselves. If you make it you make, if you screw up, you are screwed. Problem is that in an environment where everybody acts selfish you'll be trampled upon if you don't. You'd be ripped apart if you start giving everything you can. (At least it seems like that).

University of Vienna (Pictures in the link) Studying philosophy, but i'll likely drop out.

If everything has a soul, then what matter goes to what soul? Does every mountain have a soul, even though they're interconnected? Or does the whole mountain range have a soul? Or, since it's all just a big bump in the crust of the earth, is it just the earth that has a soul? Again, I'm having trouble thinking how one can just "draw the lines" between groups of matter to decide which ones join up to contain a soul and which don't. I picture soul more like a flat surface of water and everything there is would be expressions of the ripples in the soul. People, like mountains are interconnected in some way to. You got families, cultures, states, .. all these entities have some distinct flavour. The cells in your body are all seperate, yet interconnected. Imo just because there is a surface like a cell membrane or the skin around our bodies, doesn't mean there is less interconnection. If you listen to a piece of music, you can distinguish the different instruments, although their sound waves are all mixed up. You can concentrate on one instrument, or concentrate on the whole piece. You could say the guitar has a soul and is a part of the soul of the whole piece. About the "screaming" Bananas: I didn't know they react to being pealed, but if they do, then i really don't believe they are screaming. I think bananas want to get eaten. So it's more likely to be excitement then screaming, like when you undress a woman. Bananas only exist to be eaten. Would be a shame if they wouldn't like it.

They are quite popular in the underground techno scene in vienna. Popular to the point i don't like them because every other of these guys and girls has them and plays around with them quite unskilled. It's like with this yo-yo hype some years ago, when suddenly everybody and their little sisters had a yoyo.

To me there is an important difference between mind and soul. I'd say mind is a construct that can dissolve and cease to exist. Soul or even more so "a soul" is some eternal essence. I have to admit though that i use both words without much thought of definition myself. See, that's just thinking too much about mythology. I can understand the need to think we humans, who can feel empathy, have souls, but a burning mass of hydrogen :lol: ? That's pushing it. And where do you draw a line for a soul in living organisms? Zebras? Rats? Flies? Bacteria? There is no line to be made. The logic of the concept is just... nonexistent. From a human perspective anyways :| . I don't draw a line. Maybe soul is something inherent to anything. Maybe matter is just an expression of soul. A mountain may have soul to. It may also have consciouness. Could it be? Yes, yes it is! References to paganist religions! I was waiting for this, just to see how people would react. Now kind sir or madam, I ask you to back up your claim, so we can turn it into a discussion point. Personally, I like talk about the old religions though I don't believe in any of them. =P It's okay. I don't know much about paganism, although now that you mentioned it, it seems there are some parallels between it and what i say. I know a little bit about Hinduism and Buddism though and i guess part of my believes are taken from there. Yet the main part is based on experiences i had during my schizophrenia. Still these believes i can hardly argue about, because they are mostly based on feelings and thoughts i had somewhere in between being awake and dreaming (that line kinda blurrs when you are schizophrenic.) As i already said i'm very positive about being more then a body. It just feels like that. Atm i wouldn't mind dieing because i wouldn't have to carry this extremly heavy body (well it feels heavy. it's "just" 60 or so kg) around. It's about the feeling you have some time of not wanting to be at work/school right now. Anyway.. i didn't actually spend much time formulating these believes into a hypothesis. So i can just back these claims up with telling how i got to believe in them.

is that meant to help him [wagon] about as much as:

Man, I hate that, it's so freaky. I think I have it too :ohnoes: Do we just rot? Do we go to heaven / hell? Do we automatically become an animal / baby / whatever? Really? I kind of think of not-existing after death as a form of nirvana, of final and eternal peace :) . What's scary about something that doesn't involve any emotional or physical pain whatsoever? Everyone's time comes eventually. Just live life to the fullest, find your meaning, and there's no reason to fear something like non-existence. You simply are luckier than me. My brain simply can't figure out how it'd be to not to exist, because I'd have to be conscious (and therefore, exist) to get any kind of feelings. The nearest thing I can get is like a coma state, where one is unconscious. However, I have the idea that when that happens, time simply gets "cut", and for you, you wake up almost immediately after you lose your consciousness. However, I can't imagine such an analogy. I die, losing consciousness, the next think I'd know is waking up, but being dead that simply can't happen. So what happens then? There must be something after it, if you ignore after-life believes. I'd recommend to read about near death experiences. That might take some of your fear. I'm scared of spiders, bodies of water, where i can't see the bottom and sex.

See, that's just thinking too much about mythology. I can understand the need to think we humans, who can feel empathy, have souls, but a burning mass of hydrogen :lol: ? That's pushing it. And where do you draw a line for a soul in living organisms? Zebras? Rats? Flies? Bacteria? There is no line to be made. The logic of the concept is just... nonexistent. From a human perspective anyways :| . I don't draw a line. Maybe soul is something inherent to anything. Maybe matter is just an expression of soul. A mountain may have soul to. It may also have consciouness.

Animals could have souls as well. Or planets for that matter. I do believe that planets and stars are beings and i think being a sun would feel awsome.

That wouldn't necessarily mean that i have a soul. Guess it's a matter of definition. If having a soul means being composed of more then a meat body, then i'm pretty positive i have a soul. The body is merely a vehicle. If you want some evidence, read about near death experiences for example. There is plenty evidence, but hardly any proof of course. If you think of a soul as the undestroyable, eternal part of myself, then i'm not so sure. Right now i rather doubt they exist, but what do i know? The energy could as well just disperse.

I do. By that you close your mind to anything that doesn't fit into this scientific believe sytem. For all i know some key elements of science may just be wrong. Generally there is imo a difference between being open minded and presenting an opinion. Opinions usually exclude other opinions. Not everybody however will cling to his opinion no matter what. Changing an opinion takes some time though. To me open mindedness means to put yourself into the shoes of somebody presenting an opinion and accept it just as he does. Affirming that this opinion is right. Then the process of critical thinking starts and you compare this right opinion with other ideas and opinions you know (all of them valid and right). Contrary to scientific practice i try to varify every statement instead of trying to falsify it. This way i end up with a broader spectrum of possible truths. I guess true open mindedness means to accept every opinion, idea, theory and so as true. You need to close your mind to some degree to stay functional in day to day world. Perhaps I didn't elaborate on my mentality when it comes to science. If you can prove me wrong I invite it. In fact I emplore you to. Really, please, do. I can't stress enough at how much I don't give a damn about holding to a theory, no matter what it is. If you manage to overturn a past paradigm in scientific thought and present a new one with a greater breadth of explanatory power and evidential weight, I'd be willing to shake your hand, sir. And science is not a belief system, it's at current the most, or only, objective methodology to uncover knowlege of the universe in which we live. EDIT: Just to add, if talking about supernatural notions, I'm not the kind of person to believe they don't exist. Research weak atheism and agnosticism. Those are what I am. If there's something I don't know, I'm not going to accept it nor am I going to deny it. Also, science does not state anything on the existance, qualities, properties or otherwise of supernatural notions; as you're probably aware it's a naturally limited methodology and stakes no claim on the supernatural. In lacking belief via skepticism and stating in all honesty It's not the kind of thing I can have knowlege of, I still invite anyone to show me why thier supernatural notions are true of the reality in which we exist. (gah, hit quote when I should have hit edit, sorry) Science is based on the unproofable assumption that everything we can see and touch exists. It relies heavily on sensory input. Some eastern religions claim that perception is merely an illusion created by mind. If that is true, then scientific theories wouldn't explain reality, they would describe mind. Meh. Happens to the best =P

The wole thing about "fuleing the system" probably is just some [cabbage] to justify doing nothing at all. Well not really nothing, but you get the idea. Of course I don't want to be an amployee, but there are plenty reasons why. I don't post here because i expect somebody to say something that would transform my life. I am my favourite subject, so instead of opening a thread about the black hole, teen pregnancy or whatever, i made one about my life (or the lack of one for that matter). I appreciate all the input very much.

I do. By that you close your mind to anything that doesn't fit into this scientific believe sytem. For all i know some key elements of science may just be wrong. Generally there is imo a difference between being open minded and presenting an opinion. Opinions usually exclude other opinions. Not everybody however will cling to his opinion no matter what. Changing an opinion takes some time though. To me open mindedness means to put yourself into the shoes of somebody presenting an opinion and accept it just as he does. Affirming that this opinion is right. Then the process of critical thinking starts and you compare this right opinion with other ideas and opinions you know (all of them valid and right). Contrary to scientific practice i try to varify every statement instead of trying to falsify it. This way i end up with a broader spectrum of possible truths. I guess true open mindedness means to accept every opinion, idea, theory and so as true. You need to close your mind to some degree to stay functional in day to day world.

That's so not true. If you smoke all the time, it isn't easy to just quit. You'll easily get grumpy and have wierd dreams for a couple of months. (well depending on how much you used to smoke). Also if you smoke for some time, you'll usually want to be high all the time. The first thing when i woke up in the morning was taking a hit from the bong or two. Of course in my country canabis is usually smoked together with tabacco, wich of course is more addicting. imo saying marijuana isn't addicting is just wrong though. Um... its not man.. don't talk. i know a friend who smoked for a couple years, with frequency... he quit on a dime when he went out for wrestling, and then when that was over he started again, and this last year when wrestling started again, he quit again. Dont talk about something you do not know about. its less addicted than caffeine, and thats a proven scientific FACT Well i don't know. I smoked over 5 or 6 years and i didn't find it easy to quit. Although i had to quit because of my schizophrenia. I didn't really want to quit. I know quite a thing or two about canabis. That it is less addictive then caffeine doesn't mean it isn't addictive at all. I know people who had an easy time to quit and i know people who didn't find it that easy. Quitting smoking tobacco is way harder though.

That's so not true. If you smoke all the time, it isn't easy to just quit. You'll easily get grumpy and have wierd dreams for a couple of months. (well depending on how much you used to smoke). Also if you smoke for some time, you'll usually want to be high all the time. The first thing when i woke up in the morning was taking a hit from the bong or two. Of course in my country canabis is usually smoked together with tabacco, wich of course is more addicting. imo saying marijuana isn't addicting is just wrong though. I totally agree. Smoking in Amsterdam is something entirely different then in Vienna for example. Canabis can create Paranoia and it does even more easily if you know you are doing something illegal. Again.. Drugs are dangerous. You can completely waste yourself doing them. Especially if you do them frequently. One time use can hardly do any harm to a mental stable adult and the so called soft drugs won't create an immediate urge to do them again. Yet since the experience usually is pleasurable you might get tempted to do them more frequently, to the point where you are constantly on. Yet again there is no difference here to say alcohol. There are plenty of people who drink on a daily basis or even drink constantly. Another problem with the mentioned drugs is, that they alter your consciouness. That's a problem because you likely won't fit into mainstream society anymore after a time, wich isn'T inherently bad, but can get you into trouble, if you are very dependent on mainstream society. The main problem i see is that you are thought the expression that drugs are bad and extremly dangerous, wich just is wrong. Then you try them and meet people and you'll think drugs are oh so good, wich isn't true either. Drugs are just drugs and they shouldn't be over- or underrated. i think btw that none of the posts in this thread is ontopic.

Too bad no one has ever died due to an overdose of smoking marijuana. or LSD for that matter Kurt Cobain shot himself in the head btw. You don't have to be. I appreciate your concern though.

I don't think death is something bad. Of course everybody has the right to live on this planet, but not necessarily to live inside my body. So if i don't want you there, then i can throw you out and if i don't want you in my house then begone! My body is my temple and if you are not wanted here then you have to leave. I'll take care that you won't get there in the first place, but if you somehow manage to sneak past my precautions ... Look for another host body! If on the other hand you are welcomed, you may take full advantage of being my guest. I'm a guy btw. I also do belive that abortion, pregnancy and babies are the resposibility of women. I'm totally against forcing a man to pay allimente. Making sure mother and baby have enough money is the responsibility of the state not of the father. Ideally mother and father will be close enough that this issue doesn't even arise. Not everything is ideal though.

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the telemarketer, the trucker and the teacher.. each of them fuels the machine.. I'm already beyond the point of insanity. I'll browse a bit sometime, but i'm not into conspiracy theories, because i just think things are going somewhat wrong, but not because of anybodys conscencious effort. I do think btw that 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack, because it seems more plausible otherwise. Everybody knows that the Us government is corrupt. To some degree it's even openly corrupt and nobody minds. Then again.. i don't spend too much thought on these subjects. I don't have to pay for college. Government gives me money as long as i'm on university. I got to get off. It's already 5 in the morning and i'm a bit too tired to write more then monosyllabic responses. I'll continue where i left of later on. Sorry for double post btw.