ye i know my rl mate that has pay pal and he rl trades hes made 968 dollers and now has the money for anything but he hasent been banned and im not saying his name

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They actually ban more innocent people than guilty ones..Whatta joke :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On top of all this bs Im banned for irl trading when I dont even have paypal..where the hell they getting their evidence from

I started thinking that winning alot of high lvl stakes is now bannable. HIGH lvl stakers that have been banned:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cursed you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Curse you broke every rule in the book... He even said he made $17,000 off selling his RS gold

Just saw this thread >_<

 

 

 

It's true, Jagex are taking this issue too far. I was a merchant btw, not a staker.

 

 

 

I was Perm Banned on Sunday night, along with my 126 mate "3-H1t-Qu1t" (Mis-spelled).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what it was based on:

 

 

 

Early last week, my membership ran out and I turned F2p. While alching my Green Bodies, I was browsing the forums and I bought a Red Partyhat. Unable to bank this item - due to having a P2p size bank - and scared of being hacked, I asked my friend 3-H1t to hold onto it until I get my membership back. On the weekend, I finished alching, got back my membership and 3-H1t returned my Phat.

 

 

 

Sunday night, I realise 3-H1t and I are perm banned...

 

 

 

My net worth was around 1.5B or so, and 3-H1ts about 500M.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After sending in our appeal explaining the situation, we recieve a automated response saying "We have evidence that you were in control of your account during the time of the offence".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We sent in a query to Jagex asking if Trust-trading is against the rules, and they said that it wasn't. So WTF is going on?

I have to completely agree. Jagex is going way too far and making too many assumptions as to who is trading items in real life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What they need to do is rather than banning on assumption, they need to ban on facts. When a website is shutdown, they need to do 2 things.

 

 

 

1) Get a court order to obtain the IP addresses and Credit Card information or other information of all customers who made purchases.

 

 

 

2) Sue the company/seller for the money and potentially file criminal charges for selling Stolen Property

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once they've done the first option, they can trace the IP Addresses of the people to narrow down the list of people to a select few. They can then match Credit Card records to the individual account(s) and ban it appropriately IF THEY FIND AN UNBALANCED TRADE! They key point there is they must find the evidence of the trade that occured.

It's fine line they're walking...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For instance, I frequently go Dagannoth King hunting with my mates. Whatever we get, we sell then split the winnings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depending on how long it takes to sell the items, we may not give each others shares for maybe an hour up to a few days from the hunt itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From Jagex point of view, I'm giving someone 2m cash for nothing or vice-versa. I know this must raise a flag on their system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just hope that they investigate if first, rather than ban first, then investigate later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know others will do similar stuff with the KQ for example...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can jagex even know that you guys are doing that trade unless one of you reports the other?

 

It's fine line they're walking...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For instance, I frequently go Dagannoth King hunting with my mates. Whatever we get, we sell then split the winnings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depending on how long it takes to sell the items, we may not give each others shares for maybe an hour up to a few days from the hunt itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From Jagex point of view, I'm giving someone 2m cash for nothing or vice-versa. I know this must raise a flag on their system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just hope that they investigate if first, rather than ban first, then investigate later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know others will do similar stuff with the KQ for example...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can jagex even know that you guys are doing that trade unless one of you reports the other?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes they can see the trades.

 

 

 

Which brings me to my next point. When I traded my red Phat to my friend, he returned it a few days later. Jagex saw both trades take place so can't they figure out what was happeneing? It was a trust trade rather than an act of RL trading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is ridiculous. How can you possibly perm ban someone by simply seeing an unfair trade taking place?

You got cleaned and a guy gives you 100M to stake again. Irony.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yawn... you really need to be more exposed to parts of runescape you havn't seen yet... stakers get cleaned and loan about money all the time..

Just saw this thread >_<

 

 

 

It's true, Jagex are taking this issue too far. I was a merchant btw, not a staker.

 

 

 

I was Perm Banned on Sunday night, along with my 126 mate "3-H1t-Qu1t" (Mis-spelled).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what it was based on:

 

 

 

Early last week, my membership ran out and I turned F2p. While alching my Green Bodies, I was browsing the forums and I bought a Red Partyhat. Unable to bank this item - due to having a P2p size bank - and scared of being hacked, I asked my friend 3-H1t to hold onto it until I get my membership back. On the weekend, I finished alching, got back my membership and 3-H1t returned my Phat.

 

 

 

Sunday night, I realise 3-H1t and I are perm banned...

 

 

 

My net worth was around 1.5B or so, and 3-H1ts about 500M.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After sending in our appeal explaining the situation, we recieve a automated response saying "We have evidence that you were in control of your account during the time of the offence".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We sent in a query to Jagex asking if Trust-trading is against the rules, and they said that it wasn't. So [what the heck] is going on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot believe that they have gone this far if they ban for this...if your trade was only reason for ban why they should think it was rl trading when item returns to person who originally bought it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My guess is that in this case they was only monitoring first trade and came into conclusion that it was rl trading and they already had decided ban before 2nd trade happend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would rather see partyhats sold in general store permamently than being feared of getting banned every time partyhat is involved in trade....i should just call them as "hat of banning" (rarer color has higher chance to get you banned lol)

Obviously, a great amount of people banned for real-life trading will deny it. I'm betting most of the people on that list really did real-life trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was just going to say that. Most of them probably have RL traded money/items. Thus, why they are stakers... they make large amounts of money.

 

Just saw this thread >_<

 

 

 

It's true, Jagex are taking this issue too far. I was a merchant btw, not a staker.

 

 

 

I was Perm Banned on Sunday night, along with my 126 mate "3-H1t-Qu1t" (Mis-spelled).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what it was based on:

 

 

 

Early last week, my membership ran out and I turned F2p. While alching my Green Bodies, I was browsing the forums and I bought a Red Partyhat. Unable to bank this item - due to having a P2p size bank - and scared of being hacked, I asked my friend 3-H1t to hold onto it until I get my membership back. On the weekend, I finished alching, got back my membership and 3-H1t returned my Phat.

 

 

 

Sunday night, I realise 3-H1t and I are perm banned...

 

 

 

My net worth was around 1.5B or so, and 3-H1ts about 500M.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After sending in our appeal explaining the situation, we recieve a automated response saying "We have evidence that you were in control of your account during the time of the offence".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We sent in a query to Jagex asking if Trust-trading is against the rules, and they said that it wasn't. So [what the heck] is going on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot believe that they have gone this far if they ban for this...if your trade was only reason for ban why they should think it was rl trading when item returns to person who originally bought it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My guess is that in this case they was only monitoring first trade and came into conclusion that it was rl trading and they already had decided ban before 2nd trade happend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would rather see partyhats sold in general store permamently than being feared of getting banned every time partyhat is involved in trade....i should just call them as "hat of banning" (rarer color has higher chance to get you banned lol)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those 2 trades were what they based it on. I was a merchant, not a staker. And never in my 3 years of gameplay have I ever took part in a RL trade. I would never risk losing my account for that, when I already know that no-one gets away with RL trades.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Me and my friend got the perm ban a day after the 2nd trade (when he traded my Phat back), so within that day, they must have realised this trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They obviously can't piece the puzzle together, and they aren't even reading my appeals and complaints. So much for customer satisfaction eh? :thumbsup:

Just thought i would post on this thread. I was banned on 11/3/07 on the weekend just gone for a trust trade between tugrul89 (name changed) of a red party hat. I had played on my account for over 2 years and in that time accumulated 400+Mil in items. The thought of rl trading never entered my mind. It seems that while jagex is cracking down on rl traders, innocent victims like myself and tugrul are being caught in the crossfire. Jagex refuses to provide evidence to myself of the reason for the ban placed on me. So really they donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t even have to have evidence to ban a person for real life trading, they can merely hide behind the line ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅUnfortunately we do not discuss our Real World Trading detection process with anyone; to do so would give real world traders users information to help them avoid detection.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

Just thought i would post on this thread. I was banned on 11/3/07 on the weekend just gone for a trust trade between tugrul89 (name changed) of a red party hat. I had played on my account for over 2 years and in that time accumulated 400+Mil in items. The thought of rl trading never entered my mind. It seems that while jagex is cracking down on rl traders, innocent victims like myself and tugrul are being caught in the crossfire. Jagex refuses to provide evidence to myself of the reason for the ban placed on me. So really they donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t even have to have evidence to ban a person for real life trading, they can merely hide behind the line ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅUnfortunately we do not discuss our Real World Trading detection process with anyone; to do so would give real world traders users information to help them avoid detection.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

and why would someone trade it? you can just start a duel and stake 10mil and lose the fight... or getting fake lured / pked :?

I agree some of those people must be saying the truth, however some just lie. Nobody will ever now how many of the "innocent" banned players are really innocent.

and why would someone trade it? you can just start a duel and stake 10mil and lose the fight... or getting fake lured / pked :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean :s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mean why did I trade 3-H1t my Phat, it was because I was F2p at the time, with a P2p size bank and I didn't want to take my chances of keeping it on when I logged off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mean, why wouldn't people just stake 10M for nothing if they are RL trading etc, I think Jagex watches staking too. And maybe they might realise a set-up lure. I haven't a clue.

A friend gave me my dds back after he killed the pker that owned me, am I gonna get banned? :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^^ Nah, it's just a dds. Now, if that was something REALLY BIG like a dscim, or maybe, just maybe, even a whip, wooowee. Baaa-need. Cause everybody knows that an unbalanced trade with a whip or something is a RL one, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, I made a policy a long time ago - keep away from Jagex. Get near them, and you're dead. -.- Pmod? Not on your life. Forum mod? No way. I don't care what they offer me, I don't want nothin' to do with the big J. I've had too many friends banned for pathetically immature and false accusations, and besides that, I've had black marks added to my pure for reasons anybody with a brain could see were false.

 

and why would someone trade it? you can just start a duel and stake 10mil and lose the fight... or getting fake lured / pked :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean :s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mean why did I trade 3-H1t my Phat, it was because I was F2p at the time, with a P2p size bank and I didn't want to take my chances of keeping it on when I logged off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mean, why wouldn't people just stake 10M for nothing if they are RL trading etc, I think Jagex watches staking too. And maybe they might realise a set-up lure. I haven't a clue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i wasnt talking about you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but bots can just stake all milions they earned by autoing to the irl buyer... and lose the fight... i think jagex didnt think of that 1...

I was told Jagex watch staking too, and they can identify Autoers etc.

 

 

 

Maybe not, just what I heard.

Does that mean I could get banned cause a mate gave me his full guthans for a bit? (Tried it on him in my combat ring)

i do support jagex on knowing when people are rl trading but i wish they would first present their evidence and make sure they are 100% positive. i was reported for item trading when i traded a friend just a few mil to get his pure started( donation and imo totally legal) and i had to explain why i should not be banned (mainly b/c it was only like 2m). so i wish jagex could update its system to track a players trades to see if all they are doing is giving away cash or if they are legit players. :-k

Does that mean I could get banned cause a mate gave me his full guthans for a bit? (Tried it on him in my combat ring)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's highly possible. I mean seeing as my friend and I were banned because I asked him to hold my Phat until I got my membership back. Even though he traded it back before we were banned, seems like Jagex wont take their chances and they'll go ahead and ban.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i do support jagex on knowing when people are rl trading but i wish they would first present their evidence and make sure they are 100% positive. i was reported for item trading when i traded a friend just a few mil to get his pure started( donation and imo totally legal) and i had to explain why i should not be banned (mainly b/c it was only like 2m). so i wish jagex could update its system to track a players trades to see if all they are doing is giving away cash or if they are legit players

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, we have proof from a Jagex Mod that people are allowed to give other people free stuff, especially if they are quitting RS. Therefore, trust-trading is also permitted, so I don't understand why my friend and I are Perm Banned.

 

 

 

Out of the 8 complaints I've sent to Jagex about the situation, there most of the replies are obviously automated responses, as they're exactly like eachother.

 

 

 

Beats me why Customer Support actually exsists if they aren't going to make any effort in looking into our problems.

i think its unfair the when someone lets you wear something rare and you can see where im going.

They're trying to

 

 

 

Build a prison

 

 

 

They're trying to

 

 

 

Build a prison

 

 

 

for you and me to live in

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love that song

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AnyWays my friend lets me barrow stuff all the time and weve never gottne banned how come?

AnyWays my friend lets me barrow stuff all the time and weve never gottne banned how come?

 

 

 

Most likely because the stuff you are borrowing isn't worth very much. Just a guess based on your stats.

I say jagex is just doing their job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

agreed...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but I do to think its unfair when they ban people just who got loans from nice people, or who are incredibly good stakers