March 31, 200719 yr Bad things happen because we have a choice. That's only one side of the coin. Good things also happen because we have a choice. You made free will sound like it shouldn't exist in that post, dude.
March 31, 200719 yr Bad things happen because we have a choice. That's only one side of the coin. Good things also happen because we have a choice. You made free will sound like it shouldn't exist in that post, dude. Oh, sorry, didn't mean it that way. Free will is great, I was just pointing out, that bad things can happen due to has having it. We don't have to live by morals if we don't want, we can believe anything, and do anything. Its quite strange.. one thing humans can never bond is the will of another. That is where real freedom is. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me
March 31, 200719 yr I think that religion has amd eour wonderful world [bleep] in a handbasket. Let's think about the wars caused by some religious ideals: 1oo Years War Terrorism War (Current War) The Crusades Those are just a couple of 'em. The point is, religion is pointless because it causes nothing but grief throughout lands. I'm sorry, I stopped reading right there. What is this crap? What, so you hear about the Crusades in history class, and all of a sudden everything religion does is evil? Christianity, as well as other religions, helps the world in many ways, especially when it comes to aiding the poor and forgotten. It's pathetic when people start talking about religion like it's pure evil... religion may not be perfect, but it's still been known to be a benefactor to society in indefinite ways. Not that I agree with him, but you have to realize that for every 1 person who is nice and really does care and wish to help, there are 5 who are completely evil, masked in a costume of religious protection. Almost makes believing in God mandatory. I mean, how else could such evil exist if not for some sort of evil influences. It gets crazy sometimes...People thinking they're actually righteous when they're clearly freakin' nut-job weirdo's preaching hatred and stuff...Just as an example. Like those Baptist Church nut-jobs. Or Ted Haggard porkin' gay guys and preaching against homosexuals. Just crap like that. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
March 31, 200719 yr Eh, it truly is a shame. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so.
March 31, 200719 yr Not that I agree with him, but you have to realize that for every 1 person who is nice and really does care and wish to help, there are 5 who are completely evil, masked in a costume of religious protection. Almost makes believing in God mandatory. I mean, how else could such evil exist if not for some sort of evil influences. It gets crazy sometimes...People thinking they're actually righteous when they're clearly freakin' nut-job weirdo's preaching hatred and stuff...Just as an example. Like those Baptist Church nut-jobs. Or Ted Haggard porkin' gay guys and preaching against homosexuals. Just crap like that. Eh, every religion has it's fundamentalists and nut-jobs. Still, saying crap like The point is, religion is pointless because it causes nothing but grief throughout lands. is just pure ignorance. Oh, and that 1:5 ratio seems a bit extreme :-k . Note: I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form. Just felt like ya'll should know in a religion debate :-w . [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series.
March 31, 200719 yr The true Catholic response to all the evil in the world and why God allows it is thus: we don't know. [what the heck]?!?!?! I highly suggest you find a christian church who speaks the word of God for how it is. Seriously, if they don't know, they are blind. If they are blind, how can they lead? If they can't lead.. faith and truth comes not. ~Defender~ It was a Catholic textbook in school, not a priest. It was a book approved by the archbishop of Hartford, who had served as archbishop of Buffalo previously. This is the Catholic Church's brilliant solution to evil in the world. We don't know. Fabulous. Its quite strange.. one thing humans can never bond is the will of another. That is where real freedom is. ~Defender~ Erm, slavery? Serfdom? Ringing any bells?
March 31, 200719 yr Not that I agree with him, but you have to realize that for every 1 person who is nice and really does care and wish to help, there are 5 who are completely evil, masked in a costume of religious protection. Almost makes believing in God mandatory. I mean, how else could such evil exist if not for some sort of evil influences. It gets crazy sometimes...People thinking they're actually righteous when they're clearly freakin' nut-job weirdo's preaching hatred and stuff...Just as an example. Like those Baptist Church nut-jobs. Or Ted Haggard porkin' gay guys and preaching against homosexuals. Just crap like that. Eh, every religion has it's fundamentalists and nut-jobs. Still, saying crap like The point is, religion is pointless because it causes nothing but grief throughout lands. is just pure ignorance. Oh, and that 1:5 ratio seems a bit extreme :-k . Note: I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form. Just felt like ya'll should know in a religion debate :-w . I wouldn't say nothing BUT grief, but that grief is a large part of it. People disagree so much that they'd rather kill eachother than co-exist. Silly, really. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
March 31, 200719 yr Oh, sorry, didn't mean it that way. Free will is great, I was just pointing out, that bad things can happen due to has having it. We don't have to live by morals if we don't want, we can believe anything, and do anything. Its quite strange.. one thing humans can never bond is the will of another. That is where real freedom is. ~Defender~ Don't be so nieve. I don't have to live my your morals you mean, and your morals may be good and bad depending on my views. Nothing is absolutley good and absolutley bad. Thats why we have law that protect citizens from harm. Your view is so irrational that your morality is absolutley good that you can't even see the bad that can come from it to individuals who are not like minded to you. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
March 31, 200719 yr Don't be so nieve. I don't have to live my your morals you mean, and your morals may be good and bad depending on my views. Nothing is absolutley good and absolutley bad. Thats why we have law that protect citizens from harm. Your view is so irrational that your morality is absolutley good that you can't even see the bad that can come from it to individuals who are not like minded to you. Murder, rape, suicide, genocide. Sounds like there are many things that are absolutely bad. Not to say everything is black and white, but to assert that nothing is absolutely good nor absolutely bad is more naive than his statement. And your views on someone's morality isn't what determines if they are good or bad. There are some things that are definitely wrong. There are many atrocities committed in the name of religion, but to use that to say that religion is 100% bad and wrong is just plain not true.
March 31, 200719 yr Don't be so nieve. I don't have to live my your morals you mean, and your morals may be good and bad depending on my views. Nothing is absolutley good and absolutley bad. Thats why we have law that protect citizens from harm. Your view is so irrational that your morality is absolutley good that you can't even see the bad that can come from it to individuals who are not like minded to you. Murder, [assault], suicide, genocide. Sounds like there are many things that are absolutely bad. Not to say everything is black and white, but to assert that nothing is absolutely good nor absolutely bad is more naive than his statement. And your views on someone's morality isn't what determines if they are good or bad. There are some things that are definitely wrong. There are many atrocities committed in the name of religion, but to use that to say that religion is 100% bad and wrong is just plain not true. Immoral acts are bad acts in the eyes of religion, thats why they are called immoral. If a religion promotes a act which harms no one as immoral then that act is deemed as bad. That is against the liberty of the individuals who do such acts which are harmless. I disagree with abolsutes, im not saying that murder isn't bad, rape isn't bad and genocide isn't bad. However to say they are absolute is simply because I do not like them. The only grounds we have to ban them is because all infringe on the individuals liberty like some religious morality does to an extent. The states main purpose is to protect it's citizens from harm, and those acts harm us. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
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April 1, 200719 yr I believe that what god wants to say to us can't possibly be confined to a finite book, therefore he gave us science. Just because it's not in teh bible dosen't mean god dosen't want us to know about it. We are finite beings, god is infinite. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume god wants us to know more then can be told in a finite book. My question/point is: What is more important 4 teh followers of God, what teh Bible says or everything that teh Bible doesn't say? Science seems more liek a hobby to me rather then necessary 4 a life with God. My whole point is that god is infinite as is the universe he created (possibly, aside from phisical limitations, I'd say the knowlege we can gain is close to if not limitless). If you want to live your life by the confines of a book, thats your choice, but there is so much else out there, so much of god's creation you're shutting yourself off from because it's not necessary according to the limitations of bible. People wrote the bible, people have limitations, and therefore the bible has limitations. The bible conains nothing of modern science or amazing discoveries of the universe which god made. You may argue that no one back then knew of these things... well god knew, didn't he? He created it! If the bible contains none of these things which god created then it has gaps. It's not the whole story, it's not the whole truth and my best bet would be that god gave us science, as he made everything, right?. He gave us science to figure out what can't be put in a finite book. Again, live your life within the confines if you want, it just seems so limited and shut off from god's creation to me.
April 1, 200719 yr I believe that what god wants to say to us can't possibly be confined to a finite book, therefore he gave us science. Just because it's not in teh bible dosen't mean god dosen't want us to know about it. We are finite beings, god is infinite. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume god wants us to know more then can be told in a finite book. My question/point is: What is more important 4 teh followers of God, what teh Bible says or everything that teh Bible doesn't say? Science seems more liek a hobby to me rather then necessary 4 a life with God. My whole point is that god is infinite as is teh universe he created (possibly, aside from phisical limitations, I'd say teh knowlege we can gain is close to if not limitless). If you want to live your life by teh confines of a book, thats your choice, but there is so much else out there, so much of god's creation your shutting yourself off from because it's not necessary according to teh limitations of bible. People wrote teh bible, people have limitations, and therefore teh bible has limitations. teh bible conains nothing of modern science or amazing discoveries of teh universe which god made. You may argue that no one back then knew of these things... well god knew, didn't he? He created it! If teh bible contains none of these things which god created then it has gaps. It's not teh whole story, it's not teh whole truth and my best bet would be that god gave us science, as he made everything, right?. He gave us science to figure out what can't be put in a finite book. Again, live your life within teh confines if you want, it just seems so limited and shut off from god's creation to me. You speak a lot about limitations. I'm my opinion you are limiting God. Why wouldn't he be able to create a book containing what's most important in life? A book that is sufficient. Sure man wrote the book, but that just makes them a tool for God to use in order to say what he wants to say. The rest, that God chose to leave out of the Bible is not of the same importance. Instead people are free to gain as little or as much knowledge about the less important stuff out there. It doesn't make everything else pointless, it's just not as important as what the Bible says. We're not meant to be isolated with our Bibles. We are meant to live life focused on what's important. And what's most important in the Bible? Jesus.
April 1, 200719 yr Author This thread is funny today. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley
April 1, 200719 yr It's funny, agnostic means "the one, who doesn't recognise". It's root is the gnosis.
April 1, 200719 yr I believe that what god wants to say to us can't possibly be confined to a finite book, therefore he gave us science. Just because it's not in teh bible dosen't mean god dosen't want us to know about it. We are finite beings, god is infinite. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume god wants us to know more then can be told in a finite book. My question/point is: What is more important 4 teh followers of God, what teh Bible says or everything that teh Bible doesn't say? Science seems more liek a hobby to me rather then necessary 4 a life with God. My whole point is that god is infinite as is teh universe he created (possibly, aside from phisical limitations, I'd say teh knowlege we can gain is close to if not limitless). If you want to live your life by teh confines of a book, thats your choice, but there is so much else out there, so much of god's creation your shutting yourself off from because it's not necessary according to teh limitations of bible. People wrote teh bible, people have limitations, and therefore teh bible has limitations. teh bible conains nothing of modern science or amazing discoveries of teh universe which god made. You may argue that no one back then knew of these things... well god knew, didn't he? He created it! If teh bible contains none of these things which god created then it has gaps. It's not teh whole story, it's not teh whole truth and my best bet would be that god gave us science, as he made everything, right?. He gave us science to figure out what can't be put in a finite book. Again, live your life within teh confines if you want, it just seems so limited and shut off from god's creation to me. You speak a lot about limitations. I'm my opinion you are limiting God. Why wouldn't he be able to create a book containing what's most important in life? A book that is sufficient. Sure man wrote the book, but that just makes them a tool for God to use in order to say what he wants to say. The rest, that God chose to leave out of the Bible is not of the same importance. Instead people are free to gain as little or as much knowledge about the less important stuff out there. It doesn't make everything else pointless, it's just not as important as what the Bible says. We're not meant to be isolated with our Bibles. We are meant to live life focused on what's important. And what's most important in the Bible? Jesus. I'm limiting god? You're the one who feels the need to live his life by paper. God's creation is everywhere, god made everything and science is a gift to uncover the mysteries of his creation. This argument isn't really going anywhere so I'm done. I just don't agree that science can't be as important to our lives as the good book, that's all. It helps us in so many ways and if nothing else, gives us a picture of an incredible universe, or an incredible creation, if you will.
April 2, 200719 yr What I wish is that people understood more about religion instead of just flaming over a contraversial belief. I know people who skim the bible just to walk up to a christian and say "Christian eh? What do you think about the quote [insert quote here] Pretty controversial eh?" I met one poor fellow who thought catholics believed humans shouldnt reproduce. Catholics aint stupid. If he did research, he'd understand they just believe they shgouldnt reproduce BEFORE marriage. poor misguided sheep... [hide=]tip it would pay me $500.00 to keep my clothes ON :( :lol:But then again, you fail to realize that 101% of the people in this universe hate you. Yes, humankind's hatred against you goes beyond mathematical possibilities.That tears it. I'm starting an animal rebellion using my mind powers. Those PETA bastards will never see it coming until the porcupines are half way up their asses.[/hide]Apparently a lot of people say it. I own. http://linkagg.com/ Not my site, but a simple, budding site that links often unheard-of websites that are amazing for usefulness and fun.
April 2, 200719 yr I believe that what god wants to say to us can't possibly be confined to a finite book, therefore he gave us science. Just because it's not in teh bible dosen't mean god dosen't want us to know about it. We are finite beings, god is infinite. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume god wants us to know more then can be told in a finite book. My question/point is: What is more important 4 teh followers of God, what teh Bible says or everything that teh Bible doesn't say? Science seems more liek a hobby to me rather then necessary 4 a life with God. My whole point is that god is infinite as is teh universe he created (possibly, aside from phisical limitations, I'd say teh knowlege we can gain is close to if not limitless). If you want to live your life by teh confines of a book, thats your choice, but there is so much else out there, so much of god's creation your shutting yourself off from because it's not necessary according to teh limitations of bible. People wrote teh bible, people have limitations, and therefore teh bible has limitations. teh bible conains nothing of modern science or amazing discoveries of teh universe which god made. You may argue that no one back then knew of these things... well god knew, didn't he? He created it! If teh bible contains none of these things which god created then it has gaps. It's not teh whole story, it's not teh whole truth and my best bet would be that god gave us science, as he made everything, right?. He gave us science to figure out what can't be put in a finite book. Again, live your life within teh confines if you want, it just seems so limited and shut off from god's creation to me. You speak a lot about limitations. I'm my opinion you are limiting God. Why wouldn't he be able to create a book containing what's most important in life? A book that is sufficient. Sure man wrote the book, but that just makes them a tool for God to use in order to say what he wants to say. The rest, that God chose to leave out of the Bible is not of the same importance. Instead people are free to gain as little or as much knowledge about the less important stuff out there. It doesn't make everything else pointless, it's just not as important as what the Bible says. We're not meant to be isolated with our Bibles. We are meant to live life focused on what's important. And what's most important in the Bible? Jesus. I'm limiting god? You're the one who feels the need to live his life by paper. God's creation is everywhere, god made everything and science is a gift to uncover the mysteries of his creation. This argument isn't really going anywhere so I'm done. I just don't agree that science can't be as important to our lives as the good book, that's all. It helps us in so many ways and if nothing else, gives us a picture of an incredible universe, or an incredible creation, if you will. K I'm gonna put my two cents in now. Remember, God didn't write the bible. but through divine inspiration he inspired the writers what to write. They still had free will to write what they want. In my opinion, the bible is the best book out there. No word is wasted. Maybe God thinks we don't need to care about the dinosaurs. what we need to care about is the hsitory of our faith. Maybe God thought we didn't need to care who Peter's wife was (yes, he HAD one, it said in the bible his mother-in-law was ill). Maybe god thought... whatever he thought. He only told us what we needed to know. if we wanted to know more, we'd have to find that out ourselves or ask common sense. as i said, not a single word is wasted. P.S. Why is everyone's "the" spelled as "teh" today? [hide=]tip it would pay me $500.00 to keep my clothes ON :( :lol:But then again, you fail to realize that 101% of the people in this universe hate you. Yes, humankind's hatred against you goes beyond mathematical possibilities.That tears it. I'm starting an animal rebellion using my mind powers. Those PETA bastards will never see it coming until the porcupines are half way up their asses.[/hide]Apparently a lot of people say it. I own. http://linkagg.com/ Not my site, but a simple, budding site that links often unheard-of websites that are amazing for usefulness and fun.
April 2, 200719 yr K I'm gonna put my two cents in now. Remember, God didn't write the bible. but through divine inspiration he inspired the writers what to write. They still had free will to write what they want. In my opinion, the bible is the best book out there. No word is wasted. Maybe God thinks we don't need to care about the dinosaurs. what we need to care about is the hsitory of our faith. Maybe God thought we didn't need to care who Peter's wife was (yes, he HAD one, it said in the bible his mother-in-law was ill). Maybe god thought... whatever he thought. He only told us what we needed to know. if we wanted to know more, we'd have to find that out ourselves or ask common sense. as i said, not a single word is wasted. P.S. Why is everyone's "the" spelled as "teh" today? It's a simple book made for us to be able to understand the concept of God and his message. A book made by man. What, you think you understand God just because you read the Bible? This infinite being, who exists beyond the physical world of humans, is that simple? Lol. [Oh, and it's a Tip.it April Fools Joke :P] [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series.
April 2, 200719 yr I believe that what god wants to say to us can't possibly be confined to a finite book, therefore he gave us science. Just because it's not in teh bible dosen't mean god dosen't want us to know about it. We are finite beings, god is infinite. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume god wants us to know more then can be told in a finite book. My question/point is: What is more important 4 teh followers of God, what teh Bible says or everything that teh Bible doesn't say? Science seems more liek a hobby to me rather then necessary 4 a life with God. My whole point is that god is infinite as is teh universe he created (possibly, aside from phisical limitations, I'd say teh knowlege we can gain is close to if not limitless). If you want to live your life by teh confines of a book, thats your choice, but there is so much else out there, so much of god's creation your shutting yourself off from because it's not necessary according to teh limitations of bible. People wrote teh bible, people have limitations, and therefore teh bible has limitations. teh bible conains nothing of modern science or amazing discoveries of teh universe which god made. You may argue that no one back then knew of these things... well god knew, didn't he? He created it! If teh bible contains none of these things which god created then it has gaps. It's not teh whole story, it's not teh whole truth and my best bet would be that god gave us science, as he made everything, right?. He gave us science to figure out what can't be put in a finite book. Again, live your life within teh confines if you want, it just seems so limited and shut off from god's creation to me. You speak a lot about limitations. I'm my opinion you are limiting God. Why wouldn't he be able to create a book containing what's most important in life? A book that is sufficient. Sure man wrote the book, but that just makes them a tool for God to use in order to say what he wants to say. The rest, that God chose to leave out of the Bible is not of the same importance. Instead people are free to gain as little or as much knowledge about the less important stuff out there. It doesn't make everything else pointless, it's just not as important as what the Bible says. We're not meant to be isolated with our Bibles. We are meant to live life focused on what's important. And what's most important in the Bible? Jesus. I'm limiting god? You're the one who feels the need to live his life by paper. God's creation is everywhere, god made everything and science is a gift to uncover the mysteries of his creation. This argument isn't really going anywhere so I'm done. I just don't agree that science can't be as important to our lives as the good book, that's all. It helps us in so many ways and if nothing else, gives us a picture of an incredible universe, or an incredible creation, if you will. K I'm gonna put my two cents in now. Remember, God didn't write the bible. but through divine inspiration he inspired the writers what to write. They still had free will to write what they want. In my opinion, the bible is the best book out there. No word is wasted. Maybe God thinks we don't need to care about the dinosaurs. what we need to care about is the hsitory of our faith. Maybe God thought we didn't need to care who Peter's wife was (yes, he HAD one, it said in the bible his mother-in-law was ill). Maybe god thought... whatever he thought. He only told us what we needed to know. if we wanted to know more, we'd have to find that out ourselves or ask common sense. as i said, not a single word is wasted. P.S. Why is everyone's "the" spelled as "teh" today? Does anyone get the vibe that some christians can't even see the incredible creation thier god made? Yeah, follow that path. Never waver in what god tells you you need to know in a book written by man. I believe god is telling everyone something. The world is incredible place. Don't limit yourself to what a book sais. I don't know how I can really put this any clearer. Does anyone else feel the same way, or is what I'm saying futile because you guys really do believe you don't need to gaze past the pages of the good book? To me, ignoring how incredible the universe is is like shunning god's incredible creation and almighty power. (I can't believe that even acknowleging god and his infinite power dosen't at least make you guys stop and think, 'hey, maybe he has a point.') I'm not asking you guys to agree with me. I'm asking you to acknowlege the obvious - there is much more out there than the bible portrays, god made the universe and we shouldn't ignore it just because it's not in the confines of a book, no matter what that book it. Isn't it obvious to you guys, or am I just crazy? I'm crazy, right? Because I don't think that god should be limited in a book, that his creation is all around us and is infinitely beautiful? I must be crazy. -.-
April 2, 200719 yr Lagged on this message.. My message is a couple posts down. Anyways, I believe God isn't human-like or an organism of any sort. I believe he is formless. He simply is there. We can't observe him, yet he's just there. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on.
April 2, 200719 yr I'll start by saying that I believe God is a synonym for the universe. It has no emotion, no thought, no intelligence. It is a space which contains matter. It has no control over our daily lives. With an estimated 200 million life-bearing planets in this universe, Earth is not a special planet. God didn't write the bible. but through divine inspiration he inspired the writers what to write. They still had free will to write what they want. This brings up a few questions: - How can we be certain that God actually inspired these writers? - Take a look at the sacred texts from other religions. Those writers also claim that God inspired them to write what they did. Why are there so many variations ultimately written by the same God? - Why would you say God is a he? Here's a possible solution: The image of God varies from person to person. One may think of it as a male, others may think of it as an inanimate object, and others make think of it as a collection of superior beings. Inspiration from God is a figment of our imagination. This explains why one may be "inspired by God" to spread love, while another may be "inspired by God" to spread hate. So, what exactly is God? In my opinion, it's no more than an excuse to believe a certain way. "God told me to do it." Just my two cents. :)
April 2, 200719 yr In my opinion, Atheism doesn't make much sense to me. Even in the Big Bang Theory (I support it.), you can't deny that whatever triggered the explosion that brought matter into existence is what we call God. Atheists point out things that are "impossible" in scriptures, but they usually (like the followers of it) take it as something literal. I believe the Bible uses metaphors. Honestly, it's not really the history of the religion, but the message it brings to the follower. It is a guidebook of how to live your life. Of course it's not a perfect life, nothing is perfect. It's just there so you can live as a faithful servant. It doesn't matter if Noah lived to nearly 1000 years old, or if God is truely in the form of light. (Which I believe is a metaphor. What does light do? It guides you if you are in the dark.) But like I said in the first paragraph, I believe God used what we call the Big Bang to create matter. Before Creation, the Universe co-existed with God (Think of it as an infinitely-vast container.) and then, for whatever reason, he decided to trigger a massive explosion that brought matter into existence. (I believe that God "speaking matter into existennce" was a metaphor.) Whether he used Evolution to develop organisms, I don't believe it matters. I hear from one source that it's impossible for traits to be passed on like that in the manner that Evolution states. Then from another source, I hear it is possible. But like I said, I only care about the message that my religion teaches, and there's nothing you can do to make me change my Christian faith. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on.
April 2, 200719 yr Even in the Big Bang Theory (I support it.), you can't deny that whatever triggered the explosion that brought matter into existence is what we call God. This causes another problem. If God triggered the Big Bang, what created God? I've recently become interested in the Cyclic Universe Model, the idea that the universe has always existed in an endless cycle of expansion and rebirth. This model solves a few of the Big Bang's quirks, such as: - What occurred at the initial singularity? - What is the ultimate fate of the Universe? - What is the role of dark energy and the recently observed cosmic acceleration? - Does time, and the arrow of time, exist before the big bang? or after the big crunch? But like I said, I only care about the message that my religion teaches, and there's nothing you can do to make me change my Christian faith. Yep, very true. That's why religious debates don't really get anywhere. What you believe in is strongly based on your childhood experiences and the society you grew up in.
April 2, 200719 yr In my opinion, Atheism doesn't make much sense to me. Even in the Big Bang Theory (I support it.), you can't deny that whatever triggered the explosion that brought matter into existence is what we call God. Atheists point out things that are "impossible" in scriptures, but they usually (like the followers of it) take it as something literal. I believe the Bible uses metaphors. Honestly, it's not really the history of the religion, but the message it brings to the follower. It is a guidebook of how to live your life. Of course it's not a perfect life, nothing is perfect. It's just there so you can live as a faithful servant. It doesn't matter if Noah lived to nearly 1000 years old, or if God is truely in the form of light. (Which I believe is a metaphor. What does light do? It guides you if you are in the dark.) But like I said in the first paragraph, I believe God used what we call the Big Bang to create matter. Before Creation, the Universe co-existed with God (Think of it as an infinitely-vast container.) and then, for whatever reason, he decided to trigger a massive explosion that brought matter into existence. (I believe that God "speaking matter into existennce" was a metaphor.) Whether he used Evolution to develop organisms, I don't believe it matters. I hear from one source that it's impossible for traits to be passed on like that in the manner that Evolution states. Then from another source, I hear it is possible. But like I said, I only care about the message that my religion teaches, and there's nothing you can do to make me change my Christian faith. Atheism makes perfect sense to me when all organised religions claim thier god is 'the one' and they attribute thier own qualities to him. If there is a god, I couldn't be sure which one is correct so I choose not to associate myself with any of the world religions. Being a 'servant' for god isn't appealing to me either. Serving implies subordination. In my view, if there were a god, he wouldn't require service, just mateship. In reference to your concerns on the impossibilities of evolution, find me a source with no religios connotations or motivations, i.e. a scientific journal or article, which claims this or simply have a look at the link in my sig. If you are serious about wanting to know about evolution, indeed if anyone is, you should ask scientists as I can assure you 9/10 will say it's entirely plausible. Just remember there are other religous folk out there not as sensible and level headed as you who think the bible is fact and want nothing more than to defend thier position no matter what logic or evidence is thrown thier way. Anyway it's good to hear that you don't take the bible as literal fact (Whether there is a god or not isn't determined by facts). A moral guidebook makes much more sense, really.
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