Does anyone get the vibe that some christians can't even see the incredible creation thier god made? Yeah, follow that path. Never waver in what god tells you you need to know in a book written by man. I believe god is telling everyone something. The world is incredible place. Don't limit yourself to what a book sais. I don't know how I can really put this any clearer. Does anyone else feel the same way, or is what I'm saying futile because you guys really do believe you don't need to gaze past the pages of the good book? To me, ignoring how incredible the universe is is like shunning god's incredible creation and almighty power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(I can't believe that even acknowleging god and his infinite power dosen't at least make you guys stop and think, 'hey, maybe he has a point.')

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not asking you guys to agree with me. I'm asking you to acknowlege the obvious - there is much more out there than the bible portrays, god made the universe and we shouldn't ignore it just because it's not in the confines of a book, no matter what that book it. Isn't it obvious to you guys, or am I just crazy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm crazy, right? Because I don't think that god should be limited in a book, that his creation is all around us and is infinitely beautiful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must be crazy. -.-

 

 

 

Of course there is more to God than what's written in the Bible. When you see something incredibly beautiful or fantastic you might say "there must be a God" just by observing it. But you don't get any answers from observing the world. If you read the Bible and believe it's God's words, it must be more important than your own subjective feelings or views. How can I know that my speculations are the truth. I might aswell be wrong as I can't be sure. That's why we need the Bible to know what's right or wrong. If it's God's words, it must be true. And what God says is more important than what I say or what my anyone else says.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science doesn't acknowledge God, it doesn't say that there is an intelligence behind the creation. I don't think we should ignore everything that's not in the confines of the Bible. The problem is when something contradicts the Bible. Then it's most likely not true. Unless we somehow have misinterpreted the Bible. Everything that isn't mention in the Bible can't be of the same relevance as the things mentioned. This is based on a Bible view saying it's God's words. What I keep saying is that we aren't limited to the Bible. The Bible is just what's most important. Example: The Bible doesn't say what I should have for dinner today or how I should spend the rest of my day, as it's not important and I'm free do whatever I want. However, the Bible says what I should focus on throughout life.

But you don't get any answers from observing the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rofl :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And stop nesting quotes.

Korskin, you're ideas are a little messed up. You claim:

 

 

 

That's why we need the Bible to know what's right or wrong. If it's God's words, it must be true.

why do we need the bible to know what's right and wrong? I'm an aethiest, and don't go around stabbing people in the face, and i've never read the bible. Ive grown up in an aethiest family, in an aethiest community. So what's going on with me?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, how do you know the bible is God's word? There are so many contradictions, obvious mistakes, and general bad things throughout it, that the divinity surely couldn't have been lost through translation. I've always viewed the bible as a collection of metaphorical stories, which gave a rough outline on how to live one's life at the time of its writing. That's still largely true, but obviously sections about slavery and those denounceing homosexuality are outdating and wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One last thing, please stop quoting dozens of posts when you're replying to one. Its annoying as hell to have to scroll through...

Here's a very interesting Newsweek poll on religion.

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17879317/site/newsweek/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting excerpts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

91 percent of American adults surveyed believe in GodÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã

Korskin, you're ideas are a little messed up. You claim:

 

 

 

That's why we need the Bible to know what's right or wrong. If it's God's words, it must be true.

why do we need the bible to know what's right and wrong? I'm an aethiest, and don't go around stabbing people in the face, and i've never read the bible. Ive grown up in an aethiest family, in an aethiest community. So what's going on with me?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, how do you know the bible is God's word? There are so many contradictions, obvious mistakes, and general bad things throughout it, that the divinity surely couldn't have been lost through translation. I've always viewed the bible as a collection of metaphorical stories, which gave a rough outline on how to live one's life at the time of its writing. That's still largely true, but obviously sections about slavery and those denounceing homosexuality are outdating and wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One last thing, please stop quoting dozens of posts when you're replying to one. Its annoying as hell to have to scroll through...

 

 

 

In my opinion the reason you know some rights from wrong is your God given moral. However, there are some things in the Bible that doesn't come natural to man as we're are sinful beings. Exampel: Love you enemies, pray for those who prosecute you etc. And therefore we need the Bible to be sure of what's wrong and right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure I've said before I believe it's God's words. And if it's not I might aswell trash the Bible instead of living my life by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you don't get any answers from observing the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rofl :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And stop nesting quotes.

 

 

 

Okay, that wasn't very well put. What I mean is that these so called answers you get from observing the world aren't necessarly the truth. Someone may claim they've observed a U.F.O (alien ship), that doesn't mean we all now should believe in U.F.O's. It could have been just about anything.

What everyone seems to forget is that God didn't write the Bible. He inspired the writers on what to write. Thus, the bible has both Human writers and a divine writer. It is divine because it is a perfect book-- not a word if wasted. Sure, there's a lot more than whats written in the Bible. God doesn't hand us an instruction manual. He's giving a metaphorical life lesson book. Its like those Chicken Soup novels except more perfect. At the same time, there's the human element. Humans ain't always clear on what they're trying to say. It took several dozen years for christians to fully understand the works of the bible. Even today we still have people who loom at Revelations, make some odd calculations, and theorize that the world will end within the next week. Jesus said we wouldn't know. If you take it literally, it could mean the world will end the minute everyone stops predicting it, which sounds reasonable. If you follow Scripture, you'll believe basically the same thing.

Just throwing it out there..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most people refer to God as a 'he' because men are always trying to make people think they're more important that women, even though women usually make the ultimate choice which perpetuates the human race. Men, we're not in control at all.

Of course there is more to God than what's written in the Bible. When you see something incredibly beautiful or fantastic you might say "there must be a God" just by observing it. But you don't get any answers from observing the world. If you read the Bible and believe it's God's words, it must be more important than your own subjective feelings or views. How can I know that my speculations are the truth. I might aswell be wrong as I can't be sure. That's why we need the Bible to know what's right or wrong. If it's God's words, it must be true. And what God says is more important than what I say or what my anyone else says.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science doesn't acknowledge God, it doesn't say that there is an intelligence behind the creation. I don't think we should ignore everything that's not in the confines of the Bible. The problem is when something contradicts the Bible. Then it's most likely not true. Unless we somehow have misinterpreted the Bible. Everything that isn't mention in the Bible can't be of the same relevance as the things mentioned. This is based on a Bible view saying it's God's words. What I keep saying is that we aren't limited to the Bible. The Bible is just what's most important. Example: The Bible doesn't say what I should have for dinner today or how I should spend the rest of my day, as it's not important and I'm free do whatever I want. However, the Bible says what I should focus on throughout life.

 

 

 

In the words of Fullmetal Alchemist Edward Elric, stop hiding behind that religious crap, especially all those trite, random biblical saying you seem to like to throw in to make yourself look more "holy" or some other crud like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You yourself admitted (I believe) that you cannot know what's true and what isn't and yet you seem so hidebound in your belief that the Bible has to be true, has to be Divine Word. What if it isn't? What will you do then? It seems like every opinion you've ever had on this forum is based solely on the premise that the Bible is Divine Word, which isn't exactly agreed upon by the general populace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Base your opinions on the world around you, not some random belief.

 

Of course there is more to God than what's written in the Bible. When you see something incredibly beautiful or fantastic you might say "there must be a God" just by observing it. But you don't get any answers from observing the world. If you read the Bible and believe it's God's words, it must be more important than your own subjective feelings or views. How can I know that my speculations are the truth. I might aswell be wrong as I can't be sure. That's why we need the Bible to know what's right or wrong. If it's God's words, it must be true. And what God says is more important than what I say or what my anyone else says.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science doesn't acknowledge God, it doesn't say that there is an intelligence behind the creation. I don't think we should ignore everything that's not in the confines of the Bible. The problem is when something contradicts the Bible. Then it's most likely not true. Unless we somehow have misinterpreted the Bible. Everything that isn't mention in the Bible can't be of the same relevance as the things mentioned. This is based on a Bible view saying it's God's words. What I keep saying is that we aren't limited to the Bible. The Bible is just what's most important. Example: The Bible doesn't say what I should have for dinner today or how I should spend the rest of my day, as it's not important and I'm free do whatever I want. However, the Bible says what I should focus on throughout life.

 

 

 

In the words of Fullmetal Alchemist Edward Elric, stop hiding behind that religious crap, especially all those trite, random biblical saying you seem to like to throw in to make yourself look more "holy" or some other crud like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You yourself admitted (I believe) that you cannot know what's true and what isn't and yet you seem so hidebound in your belief that the Bible has to be true, has to be Divine Word. What if it isn't? What will you do then? It seems like every opinion you've ever had on this forum is based solely on the premise that the Bible is Divine Word, which isn't exactly agreed upon by the general populace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Base your opinions on the world around you, not some random belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, you're totally right. However, the atheists on this thread can't be totally right either. Neither can the Muslims or any other religious groups. The biggest argument can't be won since nobody has conclusive proof that Yahweh or Allah or Buddha exists. You can state your beliefs, sure, but that doesn't mean other people are going to believe them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the topic of religion, everybody has a bias. It's never going to be a level argument.

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

Anyone who trains for a long time can do that. Before modern civilization, shamans/religious tribe leaders used to need to do stuff like that to control their tribe. But now, being able to do stuff like that isn't needed anymore.

Gah. My bad, I forgot that Buddha was real. I'm sure a lot of religious figures were real, but what I'm saying is that there's no proof they did all that amazing stuff. With Buddha, however.. Oops :anxious:

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's the most real because it's borderline on a philosophy. No deities, just the power of the human mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a few things in bold in response to Korskin:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone get the vibe that some christians can't even see the incredible creation thier god made? Yeah, follow that path. Never waver in what god tells you you need to know in a book written by man. I believe god is telling everyone something. The world is incredible place. Don't limit yourself to what a book sais. I don't know how I can really put this any clearer. Does anyone else feel the same way, or is what I'm saying futile because you guys really do believe you don't need to gaze past the pages of the good book? To me, ignoring how incredible the universe is is like shunning god's incredible creation and almighty power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(I can't believe that even acknowleging god and his infinite power dosen't at least make you guys stop and think, 'hey, maybe he has a point.')

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not asking you guys to agree with me. I'm asking you to acknowlege the obvious - there is much more out there than the bible portrays, god made the universe and we shouldn't ignore it just because it's not in the confines of a book, no matter what that book it. Isn't it obvious to you guys, or am I just crazy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm crazy, right? Because I don't think that god should be limited in a book, that his creation is all around us and is infinitely beautiful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must be crazy. -.-

 

 

 

Of course there is more to God than what's written in the Bible. When you see something incredibly beautiful or fantastic you might say "there must be a God" just by observing it. But you don't get any answers from observing the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science ring a bell? Perhaps you worded this wrong...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read the Bible and believe it's God's words, it must be more important than your own subjective feelings or views. How can I know that my speculations are the truth. I might aswell be wrong as I can't be sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, you're confusing subjective opinions with objective fact and reasoning in the form of science.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's why we need the Bible to know what's right or wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we have all come to the point where we know we don't need to be theistic to be moral beings. Statistics and common sense tell us this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it's God's words, it must be true. And what God says is more important than what I say or what my anyone else says.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science doesn't acknowledge God, it doesn't say that there is an intelligence behind the creation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Purely because science can only acknowlege what we know, i.e. the natural world. It in no way discounts the supernatural.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think we should ignore everything that's not in the confines of the Bible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good, now we're getting somewhere. It's good to see we can agree no matter who/whatever created the universe, it is a naturally incredible place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is when something contradicts the Bible. Then it's most likely not true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not quite. You're basing that on your belief, therefore what you say has basically no weight against science. Science isn't modelled around what people believe, only around what we know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless we somehow have misinterpreted the Bible. Everything that isn't mention in the Bible can't be of the same relevance as the things mentioned. This is based on a Bible view saying it's God's words. What I keep saying is that we aren't limited to the Bible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I've been saying too, good to see we can agree on that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bible is just what's most important. Example: The Bible doesn't say what I should have for dinner today or how I should spend the rest of my day, as it's not important and I'm free do whatever I want. However, the Bible says what I should focus on throughout life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science is important in a completely different way to religion. Science isn't a philosophy to live your life by and I'm not askig you to treat it as such.

 

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

Anyone who trains for a long time can do that. Before modern civilization, shamans/religious tribe leaders used to need to do stuff like that to control their tribe. But now, being able to do stuff like that isn't needed anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, anyone could, but they do it through those beliefs and a lot of training. I don't think I could ever light myself on fire and not move, no matter how much training I had. :P

 

 

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

Anyone who trains for a long time can do that. Before modern civilization, shamans/religious tribe leaders used to need to do stuff like that to control their tribe. But now, being able to do stuff like that isn't needed anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, anyone could, but they do it through those beliefs and a lot of training. I don't think I could ever light myself on fire and not move, no matter how much training I had. :P

 

 

 

If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it'll try to jump out. If you put it in a pot of room-temperature and slowly heat it, the frog will stay in the water.

 

 

 

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

Anyone who trains for a long time can do that. Before modern civilization, shamans/religious tribe leaders used to need to do stuff like that to control their tribe. But now, being able to do stuff like that isn't needed anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, anyone could, but they do it through those beliefs and a lot of training. I don't think I could ever light myself on fire and not move, no matter how much training I had. :P

 

 

 

If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it'll try to jump out. If you put it in a pot of room-temperature and slowly heat it, the frog will stay in the water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is true, but there is no way to slowly, gingerly light someone ablaze. :lol:

 

 

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

Well, early Christians have died for their faith also. This is not to say that I'm not impressed by the dedication of the Buddist monks, but people will die for almost anything if they strongly believe in it. THe fact that monks will light themselves on fire and not move a muscle has nothing to do with the truth of a religion...sorry.

 

 

 

Buddha was real. Think of him as Jesus...They were both humans, and there is evidence they both existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, Buddhism is the most real religion of them all. You can actually observe things that have to do with their religion. I've seen Buddhist monks light themselves on fire and not move a muscle due to pain...All due to meditation via their whole buddhist belief...stuff. Pretty crazy.

 

 

 

Well, early Christians have died for their faith also. This is not to say that I'm not impressed by the dedication of the Buddist monks, but people will die for almost anything if they strongly believe in it. THe fact that monks will light themselves on fire and not move a muscle has nothing to do with the truth of a religion...sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's really nothing to be "wrong" about...Well, except the whole reincarnation thing. That's about it. Everything else is rather Earthly. At least there is no fire, brimstone, demons, blah blah blah...And m point was that the power of the religion is observable on Earth. A Christian can die for his religion by not renouncing it and being beheaded by some Muslim, for example, but the power it would take to light yourself on fire and not even move is pretty astonishing.

Can the last two people please fix their quotes?

Who cares if people believe? It gives people something to believe in, gives them hope. You see a homeless person who believes in God, or any other religion for that matter, and they have hope that they may be delivered from their situation. Sure, it may not be true, but why take away the only thing many people have, their hope and faith? Admitted, some take it way to far, but I'd feel a lot better knowing I'm living for something that may make things better one day. And people feel better if they die fighting for what they believe in. Martyrs can be crazy, but they die feeling good about themselves. Atheists make it along fine, and they don't believe in God. But they probably believe in something. So I think it's fine to believe in something. But it's just wrong to start shunning and beating people who believe differently then you. That's probably one of the main reasons so many people hate religion these days. It's forced upon them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's my 2 cents.

goldphishies: Welcome to a religious debate. A debate is a "discussion involving opposing points" (dict).

 

 

 

None of us are taking hope away from the homeless... :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exampel: Love you enemies, pray for those who prosecute you etc. And therefore we need the Bible to be sure of what's wrong and right.

 

 

 

Sorry, I disagree. The only thing that should tell us what's wrong and right is the law. Whether you choose to abide by the law is your own choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure I've said before I believe it's God's words.

 

 

 

God's words? Do you mean the words written by people inspired by God. Refer to my previous post on that matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: Buddhism is truly fascinating. :)

I just have to point something out here about the "big bang".

 

 

 

People say it just happened, that mass amounts of swiriling gas suddenly exploded (or something like that) Then why are the planets not all spinning the SAME WAY? And people say there has to be a begining for everything right? Then how did that gas/dirt get there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So to sum it all up:

 

 

 

I belive in the begining "God"

 

 

 

and you belive in the begining "dirt"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My youth group leader has lots of DVDs about this one guy talking about all these different subjects about Christianity, and he proves EVERY theory about the begining of the earth wrong. If you want I could get a DVD and post it.

I just have to point something out here about the "big bang".

 

 

 

People say it just happened, that mass amounts of swiriling gas suddenly exploded (or something like that) Then why are the planets not all spinning the SAME WAY? And people say there has to be a begining for everything right? Then how did that gas/dirt get there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So to sum it all up:

 

 

 

I belive in the begining "God"

 

 

 

and you belive in the begining "dirt"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My youth group leader has lots of DVDs about this one guy talking about all these different subjects about Christianity, and he proves EVERY theory about the begining of the earth wrong. If you want I could get a DVD and post it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How scientific of him for being religously motivated. :wall: :wall: :wall:

 

 

 

I'd be interested to this DVD of yours, though. And have you checked out my topic, 'the challenge'? There's a link in my sig. (I feel like a broken record).

I just have to point something out here about the "big bang".

 

 

 

People say it just happened, that mass amounts of swiriling gas suddenly exploded (or something like that) Then why are the planets not all spinning the SAME WAY? And people say there has to be a begining for everything right? Then how did that gas/dirt get there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So to sum it all up:

 

 

 

I belive in the begining "God"

 

 

 

and you belive in the begining "dirt"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My youth group leader has lots of DVDs about this one guy talking about all these different subjects about Christianity, and he proves EVERY theory about the begining of the earth wrong. If you want I could get a DVD and post it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

His name is Kent Hovind, and you just quoted him 100%. Good job thinking for yourself. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He doesn't "prove" anything wrong. He's a dude who believes the Earth is only 6000 years old just because the Bible says so. He blatantly ignores all the history before that period and seems to think empires like Egypt were built in a day, or something. In short, he's insane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a good point though...All the planetary bodies that spin the wrong way are blamed on one thing - astroid impacts. Big ones. While it is possible, the chances of it ALL happening just like that, perfectly, is kinda' small when you think about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Warrior, go to http://www.drdino.com or google video, you can find all his seminars. They're interesting, but BS nonetheless.

 

I just have to point something out here about the "big bang".

 

 

 

People say it just happened, that mass amounts of swiriling gas suddenly exploded (or something like that) Then why are the planets not all spinning the SAME WAY? And people say there has to be a begining for everything right? Then how did that gas/dirt get there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So to sum it all up:

 

 

 

I belive in the begining "God"

 

 

 

and you belive in the begining "dirt"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My youth group leader has lots of DVDs about this one guy talking about all these different subjects about Christianity, and he proves EVERY theory about the begining of the earth wrong. If you want I could get a DVD and post it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

His name is Kent Hovind, and you just quoted him 100%. Good job thinking for yourself. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He doesn't "prove" anything wrong. He's a dude who believes the Earth is only 6000 years old just because the Bible says so. He blatantly ignores all the history before that period and seems to think empires like Egypt were built in a day, or something. In short, he's insane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a good point though...All the planetary bodies that spin the wrong way are blamed on one thing - astroid impacts. Big ones. While it is possible, the chances of it ALL happening just like that, perfectly, is kinda' small when you think about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Warrior, go to http://www.drdino.com or google video, you can find all his seminars. They're interesting, but BS nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm trying to think how planets spinning in different rotations proves his point. I'm no astrophysics expert, so anyone is welcome to point me out to the basis of why his point is good :? . And thanks for the tip, Tigra. Perhaps later, though.