Should F2P get skill capes?

[KingDallar]

It's a two way situation. I think that all 99's should be celebrated with the opportunity of getting a skill cape.. But people who pay to play the game should have some advances.. I don't know

[Guest jrhairychest]

But even more an incentive to join P2P, because the member version would be better in almost every way. I'm imagining just a plain cape with the skill logo on it, not the kind that member already have.

 

Why though? If they were serious about wanting a skillcape they'd join members to get one. Anyone who stays in F2P getting 99's probably has no intention of joining P2P. So why do they 'deserve' it? After all Jagex allows them to gain those 99's for free. Is that not enough in itself?

[Alg]

Why though? If they were serious about wanting a skillcape they'd join members to get one. Anyone who stays in F2P getting 99's probably has no intention of joining P2P. So why do they 'deserve' it? After all Jagex allows them to gain those 99's for free. Is that not enough in itself?

Because it can also be made to work for ex-members. Say you got your skillcape and your membership ran out. You now have a weaker cape that you can still use without fear of losing it if you take it off.

[Guest jrhairychest]

Because it can also be made to work for ex-members. Say you got your skillcape and your membership ran out. You now have a weaker cape that you can still use without fear of losing it if you take it off.

 

An ex-member is an 'ex'-member. They're not paying for the priveledge so should be treated as F2P . If they want those benefits they pay. If they don't want to pay then thats their choice and they're entitled to make it.

[Alg]

Because it can also be made to work for ex-members. Say you got your skillcape and your membership ran out. You now have a weaker cape that you can still use without fear of losing it if you take it off.

 

An ex-member is an 'ex'-member. They're not paying for the priveledge so should be treated as F2P . If they want those benefits they pay. If they don't want to pay then thats their choice and they're entitled to make it.

Yet they did at one point pay for the privilege. This ensures that they can keep what they once earned and paid for. Plus having a weakened and less showy version is an incentive to start paying again.

[Guest jrhairychest]

Yet they did at one point pay for the privilege. This ensures that they can keep what they once earned and paid for. Plus having a weakened and less showy version is an incentive to start paying again.

 

But they're not paying any more. Where else would you still get a service after you've stopped paying for it? You don't. You're still not insured if you stop paying for it, You don't get electricity if you stop paying for it, Your car is repossessed if you stop paying for it etc. This is the real world. Jagex's first priority is to survive and that means money. Its a business not a charity.

 

A weakend cape doesn't give an incentive to start playing again. Far from it. You're actually adding more of an incentive to stay in F2P by giving them something there. What use are players to a business in F2P? Nothing. Why would you give anything that would even remotely encourage someone not to go back to P2P?

 

Instead of giving things to F2P, why not give a 1 week free trial to those in F2P for P2P? That could have the possibility of encouraging new players into P2P and might provide an incentive to ex-members to come back.

[Erewhon2]

Yet they did at one point pay for the privilege. This ensures that they can keep what they once earned and paid for. Plus having a weakened and less showy version is an incentive to start paying again.

 

But they're not paying any more. Where else would you still get a service after you've stopped paying for it? You don't. You're still not insured if you stop paying for it, You don't get electricity if you stop paying for it, Your car is repossessed if you stop paying for it etc. This is the real world. Jagex's first priority is to survive and that means money. Its a business not a charity.

 

A weakend cape doesn't give an incentive to start playing again. Far from it. You're actually adding more of an incentive to stay in F2P by giving them something there. What use are players to a business in F2P? Nothing. Why would you give anything that would even remotely encourage someone not to go back to P2P?

 

Instead of giving things to F2P, why not give a 1 week free trial to those in F2P for P2P? That could have the possibility of encouraging new players into P2P and might provide an incentive to ex-members to come back.

Now that is an excellent idea! Probably one of the most constructive suggestions I've seen. I think many more F2P gamers would be inclined to take up full membership if they could trial the benefits and extended world for a week. I hope Jagex are reading this and take this as a serious suggestion. =D>

[Alg]

Yet they did at one point pay for the privilege. This ensures that they can keep what they once earned and paid for. Plus having a weakened and less showy version is an incentive to start paying again.

 

But they're not paying any more. Where else would you still get a service after you've stopped paying for it? You don't. You're still not insured if you stop paying for it, You don't get electricity if you stop paying for it, Your car is repossessed if you stop paying for it etc. This is the real world. Jagex's first priority is to survive and that means money. Its a business not a charity.

 

A weakend cape doesn't give an incentive to start playing again. Far from it. You're actually adding more of an incentive to stay in F2P by giving them something there. What use are players to a business in F2P? Nothing. Why would you give anything that would even remotely encourage someone not to go back to P2P?

 

Instead of giving things to F2P, why not give a 1 week free trial to those in F2P for P2P? That could have the possibility of encouraging new players into P2P and might provide an incentive to ex-members to come back.

Wouldn't that fall into the same category though? You go into P2P for the week, you buy all the skillcapes that you have access to, you go back to F2P with all those capes and still haven't paid a cent.

Obviously this is different from a service, you can still use it after you stop paying for it. The game's fairly unique in that you can get that far without having to pay, and even the payment itself is cheap, all I'm suggesting is give a piece of a piece of the member content. There would still be 9 skills (with their skillcapes and the full versions of the 15 that are available to F2P), a hundred or so quests (and its cape), possibly thousands of items and a good number of minigames to entice new members.

[AlexRose]

But even more an incentive to join P2P, because the member version would be better in almost every way. I'm imagining just a plain cape with the skill logo on it, not the kind that member already have.

 

Why though? If they were serious about wanting a skillcape they'd join members to get one. Anyone who stays in F2P getting 99's probably has no intention of joining P2P. So why do they 'deserve' it? After all Jagex allows them to gain those 99's for free. Is that not enough in itself?[

 

That's exactly why Jagex would have a financial incentive to introduce skillcapes into F2p, which you denied when responding to me.

 

They "deserve" it because they have invested their time into supporting the company. We seem to be going around in circles.

[Guest jrhairychest]

 

Now that is an excellent idea! Probably one of the most constructive suggestions I've seen. I think many more F2P gamers would be inclined to take up full membership if they could trial the benefits and extended world for a week. I hope Jagex are reading this and take this as a serious suggestion. =D>

Thanks. It would seem logical to give them a small taste of what they might be missing. Its a much bolder move to improve membership to let them taste the real deal for a limited time. And what better way?

 

Wouldn't that fall into the same category though? You go into P2P for the week, you buy all the skillcapes that you have access to, you go back to F2P with all those capes and still haven't paid a cent.

Obviously this is different from a service, you can still use it after you stop paying for it. The game's fairly unique in that you can get that far without having to pay, and even the payment itself is cheap, all I'm suggesting is give a piece of a piece of the member content. There would still be 9 skills (with their skillcapes and the full versions of the 15 that are available to F2P), a hundred or so quests (and its cape), possibly thousands of items and a good number of minigames to entice new members.

 

The capes could be blocked from purchase by those players or the money refunded (like we saw with summoning shards) when it expires. You're right, this is an extended service which they wouldn't get anywhere else and they should be grateful for what they get, not complain (refer to my WOW post). I still disagree with giving anything like this in F2p. How come we never see any posts saying 'Thanks Jagex for F2P, its great and I can play it for nothing with no time limit'? We don't as it's become an expectation from many players to get it free. Sad but true.

 

If it did happen, you might support this and other things to be given to F2P (weapons, minigames, quests etc.). There will come a time when you'll say 'hold on.....'. I've hit that already with suggestions such as this. In the end I stand by what I've said - The more you give them, the more incentive they have to stay in F2P.

 

That's exactly why Jagex would have a financial incentive to introduce skillcapes into F2p, which you denied when responding to me.

 

They "deserve" it because they have invested their time into supporting the company. We seem to be going around in circles.

 

I believe you ignored my previous posts on the subject:

 

How much does an F2P player pay per month? £0! They don't pay any monies directly. Any generated is through advertising which helps F2P to try to sustain itself, so please spare me the bull about how much they contribute. Thats why tipit doesn't cost you anything. Take a look around at the advertising.

 

Any mature player would say "Yes I'm F2P, I enjoy it and I'm glad I have a game that never ends that I don't have to pay for". Instead I see the immature approach of wanting something for nothing as if its owed to them. I'd like to see the same people play the trial version of WOW, then after it has expired complain they should get more because they deserve it. They'd just get a two fingerd salute with a note saying 'You want, you pay!'.

[Alg]

 

Wouldn't that fall into the same category though? You go into P2P for the week, you buy all the skillcapes that you have access to, you go back to F2P with all those capes and still haven't paid a cent.

Obviously this is different from a service, you can still use it after you stop paying for it. The game's fairly unique in that you can get that far without having to pay, and even the payment itself is cheap, all I'm suggesting is give a piece of a piece of the member content. There would still be 9 skills (with their skillcapes and the full versions of the 15 that are available to F2P), a hundred or so quests (and its cape), possibly thousands of items and a good number of minigames to entice new members.

 

The capes could be blocked from purchase by those players or the money refunded (like we saw with summoning shards) when it expires. You're right, this is an extended service which they wouldn't get anywhere else and they should be grateful for what they get, not complain (refer to my WOW post). I still disagree with giving anything like this in F2p. How come we never see any posts saying 'Thanks Jagex for F2P, its great and I can play it for nothing with no time limit'? We don't as it's become an expectation from many players to get it free. Sad but true.

 

If it did happen, you might support this and other things to be given to F2P (weapons, minigames, quests etc.). There will come a time when you'll say 'hold on.....'. I've hit that already with suggestions such as this. In the end I stand by what I've said - The more you give them, the more incentive they have to stay in F2P.

Giving F2P'ers some unused member items could actually benefit the member economy though. Look at treasure trail items that are available in F2P such as god armors. They are far more expensive than the trail items available only to members because there is a demand in F2P, but members have the only supply. Especially if it's something like yew bows, blue dragonhide, or throwing weapons like knives that most members simply don't use. Likewise for skillcapes, because an increased demand for raw materials would very likely result in some members profiting off lesser used materials.

With something like that you have people that might join so that they could profit off that as well.

 

Though I think we never see posts saying "thank you" because the people who would are too busy enjoying the game :razz: . The loudest ones are the ones that complain. There also used to be a compliments board, but it was members only, so... Irony can be brutal.

[AlexRose]

 

I believe you ignored my previous posts on the subject:

 

How much does an F2P player pay per month? £0! They don't pay any monies directly. Any generated is through advertising which helps F2P to try to sustain itself, so please spare me the bull about how much they contribute. Thats why tipit doesn't cost you anything. Take a look around at the advertising.

 

Any mature player would say "Yes I'm F2P, I enjoy it and I'm glad I have a game that never ends that I don't have to pay for". Instead I see the immature approach of wanting something for nothing as if its owed to them. I'd like to see the same people play the trial version of WOW, then after it has expired complain they should get more because they deserve it. They'd just get a two fingerd salute with a note saying 'You want, you pay!'.

 

No. You may have not ignored my posts on the subject, but just restated the same point over and over again without actually refuting anything I said; like my very first response, for instance:

 

 

In my opinion, F2p deserves the right to show off their 99s more so than their inability to pay for the game. For example, F2p does not "deserve" the rest of the game, because they lack the ability to support Jagex. However, that is an extreme example. That argument does not always work in specific cases, because even though F2P doesn't pay money, they still support Jagex by providing a base or "demo" to P2P and advertising money [which at the very least supports the F2p game], and thus have some level of "deservement". I think in this case, they at least deserve the benefit of a complete game, and showing off your achievments would certainly be one of those things, among others (a balanced combat system).

 

I go on to explain (somewhere) that F2pers who have put in the time and effort into achieving a level 99, because of the (small) contribution to the Jagex company, deserve some reward, and that skillcapes would be a sufficent reward.

 

Oh, and I think the trial-period is a fantastic idea, more so than the Gnomecopters or introducing skillcapes.

[langer]

@Alex Rose

 

Playing a game for an extended period of time is not the same thing as "supporting Jagex". F2Pers already have the highscore and quick chat to show off their achievements. I also think they should get what they deserve, which is what they actually have right now: a great free and complete game.

[AlexRose]

@Alex Rose

 

Playing a game for an extended period of time is not the same thing as "supporting Jagex". F2Pers already have the highscore and quick chat to show off their achievements. I also think they should get what they deserve, which is what they actually have right now: a great free and complete game.

 

Yes it is. I'd imagine the person who played (on members) for two years contributed considerably more than the guy who played for two months. Simliar logic with F2p.

 

And I do believe that the high-score's lack of reward was the very reason Jagex decided to implement the skill capes in the first place (quick-chat wasn't implemented, but it's a rather poor substitute for a skillcape).

[langer]

Can you explain how they have contributed? and I mean contributing in a way that they "deserve" a reward? This would really be the first time I hear of a freeloader contributing though...

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Can you explain how they have contributed? and I mean contributing in a way that they "deserve" a reward? This would really be the first time I hear of a freeloader contributing though...

In many cases, they can help people's decisions to join P2P. A lot of my friends and clanmates got a month of members so they could catch me in total/combat level only to decide they liked it there enough to keep paying. I assume other people have had the same. So I've helped close to 100 people's decisions to join P2P. That means that I have helped to convince nearly "$500" a month to join that most likely would not have otherwise. Unfortunately, they all want to show me their new gear every few weeks now...

 

Now add the ad revenues and I have indirectly affected their bank account by over "$6000" a year. It has probably dropped considerably this year with my play-time lagging behind, though.

[Erewhon2]

Can you explain how they have contributed? and I mean contributing in a way that they "deserve" a reward? This would really be the first time I hear of a freeloader contributing though...

 

I am in complete support of Langer's point above, and as Jrhairychest said...in what way do they "deserve" anything? Everything they already have is for free!

 

 

In many cases, they can help people's decisions to join P2P. A lot of my friends and clanmates got a month of members so they could catch me in total/combat level only to decide they liked it there enough to keep paying. I assume other people have had the same. So I've helped close to 100 people's decisions to join P2P. That means that I have helped to convince nearly "$500" a month to join that most likely would not have otherwise. Unfortunately, they all want to show me their new gear every few weeks now...

 

Now add the ad revenues and I have indirectly affected their bank account by over "$6000" a year. It has probably dropped considerably this year with my play-time lagging behind, though.

But they did not contribute to Jagex as F2P, neither do you, it is only when they made the decision to become members (even if it was for a gameplay strategy) and then decided to stay there that they became contributing members of RS. People choose to become members for all kinds of reasons, staying as members was as you said.....they liked it there and presumably enjoyed the benefits. Its one of the reasons I think the suggestion made by Jrhairychest about a 'trial' is such an excellent idea. I certainly don't think that F2P should get anything more than they already have at no cost, if anything there is too much already that encourages players to stay in F2P, rather than move on to membership. More incentive is needed to encourage membership, rather than expanding on an already excellent free game.

[Guest jrhairychest]

Giving F2P'ers some unused member items could actually benefit the member economy though. Look at treasure trail items that are available in F2P such as god armors. They are far more expensive than the trail items available only to members because there is a demand in F2P, but members have the only supply. Especially if it's something like yew bows, blue dragonhide, or throwing weapons like knives that most members simply don't use. Likewise for skillcapes, because an increased demand for raw materials would very likely result in some members profiting off lesser used materials.

With something like that you have people that might join so that they could profit off that as well.

 

Though I think we never see posts saying "thank you" because the people who would are too busy enjoying the game :razz: . The loudest ones are the ones that complain. There also used to be a compliments board, but it was members only, so... Irony can be brutal.

 

Members doesn't need its 'economy' to be benefited any more than it is. Its awash with cash and those items still have their uses, even if you don't personally use them. We seem to be going to the opposite end of the spectrum where you're implying we give more to F2P. I strongly disagree with this. Its even more incentive to stay in F2P, not the other way round.

 

*sigh* it would be nice for players to actually say thanks for a change instead of bleating how hard they're done to in F2P. Yups about the irony too. Btw happy birthday for the other day :thumbsup:

 

 

 

No. You may have not ignored my posts on the subject, but just restated the same point over and over again without actually refuting anything I said; like my very first response, for instance:

 

 

In my opinion, F2p deserves the right to show off their 99s more so than their inability to pay for the game. For example, F2p does not "deserve" the rest of the game, because they lack the ability to support Jagex. However, that is an extreme example. That argument does not always work in specific cases, because even though F2P doesn't pay money, they still support Jagex by providing a base or "demo" to P2P and advertising money [which at the very least supports the F2p game], and thus have some level of "deservement". I think in this case, they at least deserve the benefit of a complete game, and showing off your achievments would certainly be one of those things, among others (a balanced combat system).

 

I go on to explain (somewhere) that F2pers who have put in the time and effort into achieving a level 99, because of the (small) contribution to the Jagex company, deserve some reward, and that skillcapes would be a sufficent reward.

 

Oh, and I think the trial-period is a fantastic idea, more so than the Gnomecopters or introducing skillcapes.

 

Just because F2P supports itself, doesn't mean its entitled to anything. Your deservement (that a word?) is purely your own POV and you cannot ignore the fact they get a fairly decent game for paying nothing. That is not deserving, thats getting something for free. To me, any F2Per moaning about it is ungrateful and downright rude. I'm just the sort who appreciates that if they get something for free I don't moan about it and ask for more. Its a little....embarrassing.

 

Thanks for your point on a trial period. I think instead of pushing things towards F2P, lets turn it around and get them into P2P for a week . It might work, it might not but it'll show them what they could have instead of moaning about what they don't have.

 

Playing a game for an extended period of time is not the same thing as "supporting Jagex". F2Pers already have the highscore and quick chat to show off their achievements. I also think they should get what they deserve, which is what they actually have right now: a great free and complete game.

 

Can you explain how they have contributed? and I mean contributing in a way that they "deserve" a reward? This would really be the first time I hear of a freeloader contributing though...

 

Need I say more?

 

But they did not contribute to Jagex as F2P, neither do you, it is only when they made the decision to become members (even if it was for a gameplay strategy) and then decided to stay there that they became contributing members of RS. People choose to become members for all kinds of reasons, staying as members was as you said.....they liked it there and presumably enjoyed the benefits. Its one of the reasons I think the suggestion made by Jrhairychest about a 'trial' is such an excellent idea. I certainly don't think that F2P should get anything more than they already have at no cost, if anything there is too much already that encourages players to stay in F2P, rather than move on to membership. More incentive is needed to encourage membership, rather than expanding on an already excellent free game.

 

Agreed. If that worked for unkn0wn's friends, a trial might be a feasible solution to get them into members, which is where we should be heading, not keep them in F2P with freebies.

 

 

@unkn0wnwarrior

 

Why didn't/don't you go to P2P if all your friends were? Its not like you have to pay by credit/debit card these days and the costs aren't exactly on par with paying for something like WOW.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

@unkn0wnwarrior

 

Why didn't/don't you go to P2P if all your friends were? Its not like you have to pay by credit/debit card these days and the costs aren't exactly on par with paying for something like WOW.

For a long time, I couldn't pay for it. I had no income and my parents wouldn't pay. Then I got an income but it was barely enough to cover expenses. Now I'm making enough but not playing enough. I had intended to go P2P on my original account, but not unless I start playing more, again.

 

But they did not contribute to Jagex as F2P, neither do you, it is only when they made the decision to become members (even if it was for a gameplay strategy) and then decided to stay there that they became contributing members of RS. People choose to become members for all kinds of reasons, staying as members was as you said.....they liked it there and presumably enjoyed the benefits. Its one of the reasons I think the suggestion made by Jrhairychest about a 'trial' is such an excellent idea. I certainly don't think that F2P should get anything more than they already have at no cost, if anything there is too much already that encourages players to stay in F2P, rather than move on to membership. More incentive is needed to encourage membership, rather than expanding on an already excellent free game.

I admit I did not directly pay a cent, which is why I used the term 'indirectly'. I would be fine with having a trial for memberships, but I would ask it be optional, since I would rather not use it. And the only thing I think F2P really DESERVES/NEEDS is an update to magic at higher levels. I don't care either way about skill capes, although I think they should have been implemented as F2P at the start. They worded their posts on the subject so it sounded as though ALL players could get them, after all.

[powerr]

lets let ftp get skillcapes but no bonuses. they wouldnt even get any good ones anyways. theres wcing, hp(this one is good) and just a few more junk ones. maybe a good one or 2. no problem with me

[Youmu]

lets let ftp get skillcapes but no bonuses. they wouldnt even get any good ones anyways. theres wcing, hp(this one is good) and just a few more junk ones. maybe a good one or 2. no problem with me

Are you saying Mining and Runecrafting aren't good ones? :o

 

If Jagex really were to give skillcapes to F2P, they would move all the free skills into F2P locations.

 

I don't see why you guys want skillcapes so much anyway. You show off your 99 skills, but then again, that is what Quick Chat is for.

 

Besides, it's sort of an "incentive" to go members so I'm not entirely sure whether or not they should get it. But, I don't care either way, so if they do get them... ok. :mellow:

[DazedConfused]

No they should..

 

Thats the benefit of being a member $5 a month is very cheap for a good game.. I mean wow is $15 a month and I have honestly had more fun on RS than WOW (but thats an opinion). Just pay the 5 and get your skillcape.

[Juhnie]

Just pay the 5 and get your skillcape.

 

You make it sound so simple.

For you it might be that - not for everyone, though. For some people there are more things in the way of buying Membership than anyone could possibly imagine. Parents and insufficient funds are probably the most common things to prevent this.

 

Also, because I like grabbing on little things, could you PLEASE stop saying "just pay your 5$"? My P2P month costs me 7.3 (about 10.90$) for a month with about 1.80 (2.60$) Bank Transfer fee added to it... Quite a difference between 5$ and 13.50$, isn't there now? :P

[deletemeplease]

I think skillcapes should stay P2P.

It's one of the benefits, like many others to having P2P.

 

But I do think that F2P should get some kind of reward for a 99.

For example maybe a 99 skill hat, or a 99 skill banner. (Much like the ones you can make in your house with different symbols on them.)

 

P.S. It's not $5.00 for everyone. For me it's $11.50.

[Youmu]

I think skillcapes should stay P2P.

It's one of the benefits, like many others to having P2P.

 

But I do think that F2P should get some kind of reward for a 99.

For example maybe a 99 skill hat, or a 99 skill banner. (Much like the ones you can make in your house with different symbols on them.)

 

P.S. It's not $5.00 for everyone. For me it's $11.50.

Actually, F2P already has a "reward". It's Quick Chat.

 

Therefore, I agree with skillcapes staying P2P.