Should F2P get skill capes?

[ninefoldx]

i think F2P's should get skill capes but they shouldnt be able to get trimmed skill capes. They still could get 2 skill capes but to get trimmed they must become a member

[Youmu]

i think F2P's should get skill capes but they shouldnt be able to get trimmed skill capes. They still could get 2 skill capes but to get trimmed they must become a member

I'm gonna say disagree on this.

 

The only difference between trimmed and un-trimmed is the +4 Prayer bonus. +4 really isn't that much if you think about it, and if Jagex toned down stats, it becomes even more negligible.

 

Besides, not many people notice the trim on the capes anyway.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

i think F2P's should get skill capes but they shouldnt be able to get trimmed skill capes. They still could get 2 skill capes but to get trimmed they must become a member

I'm gonna say disagree on this.

 

The only difference between trimmed and un-trimmed is the +4 Prayer bonus. +4 really isn't that much if you think about it, and if Jagex toned down stats, it becomes even more negligible.

 

Besides, not many people notice the trim on the capes anyway.

If nobody notices it, anyway, why do you disagree with not getting it? Just curious.

[Youmu]

If nobody notices it, anyway, why do you disagree with not getting it? Just curious.

Because it's such a small difference, and ninefoldx said that we shouldn't get it.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

If nobody notices it, anyway, why do you disagree with not getting it? Just curious.

Because it's such a small difference, and ninefoldx said that we shouldn't get it.

Fair enough. Although I would agree with trimmed remaining P2P. It isn't like we actually need it, anyway.

[hohto]

I'd say that F2P players diserve them even more than P2P players. It's much harder to train your skills in F2P and it's always a big achievement when you reach a level 99 skill.

 

It's harder because of their own decicion. The chances to get something are the same for anyone, if you make something harder by his own actions, why should he get any extra benefits for it?

[Youmu]

I'd say that F2P players diserve them even more than P2P players. It's much harder to train your skills in F2P and it's always a big achievement when you reach a level 99 skill.

 

It's harder because of their own decicion. The chances to get something are the same for anyone, if you make something harder by his own actions, why should he get any extra benefits for it?

That's the point. If he chooses the harder method, he deserves extra benefits. The easier method, only the main benefits.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I'd say that F2P players diserve them even more than P2P players. It's much harder to train your skills in F2P and it's always a big achievement when you reach a level 99 skill.

 

It's harder because of their own decicion. The chances to get something are the same for anyone, if you make something harder by his own actions, why should he get any extra benefits for it?

That's the point. If he chooses the harder method, he deserves extra benefits. The easier method, only the main benefits.

There is one little flaw in both arguements... It is not always by choice. That said, they are equally deserved by both sides. It is all the same amount of experience, in the end. It's like saying that somebody who fished shrimp/anchovies all the way to 99 deserve it more than someone who used the best fish for their level all the way.

[IeatWindex]

Achieving 99 in a skill is a grand achievement, and if you spend all that time getting the experience, then you deserve to be recognized by other players you've made such an achievement. I wouldn't mind if F2P got the capes. Cheers to them.

[junkiejeff]

I actually don't see how F2P deserves skill capes.

Runescape is just a game and playing it is totally up to you.

I don´t understand why F2P ought to get updates of any kind.

That said, I haven´t seen one valid objective argument why F2P should get skill capes.

[Youmu]

I actually don't see how F2P deserves skill capes.

Runescape is just a game and playing it is totally up to you.

I don´t understand why F2P ought to get updates of any kind.

That said, I haven´t seen one valid objective argument why F2P should get skill capes.

Because getting a 99 stat, regardless of skill, or F2P/P2P, is still a very major achievement. Those players deserve to show off their maxed out skills.

[Erinn]

Well...

 

Although f2pers do not pay 5$ a month to be a member and get all of the benifits does not meant they are not allowed to get something in return for playing the game with those acursed ads. And it is definatly not true that the f2p world has to work harder, they just take more time then members. They do deserve something but not skillcapes seeing as they are a big part of the members world. :ohnoes:

[Erinn]

I actually don't see how F2P deserves skill capes.

Runescape is just a game and playing it is totally up to you.

I don´t understand why F2P ought to get updates of any kind.

That said, I haven´t seen one valid objective argument why F2P should get skill capes.

They do deserve to get updates, they are the ones who help pay for the member's benifits even if they dont realize it. So if there were no ads it may have taken a few more years for all of the new quests, monsters, areas, and other fun things. So... :shame:

[junkiejeff]

Because getting a 99 stat, regardless of skill, or F2P/P2P, is still a very major achievement. Those players deserve to show off their maxed out skills.

 

So? Allot of people work their butts of just to earn some money or to help another in real life. They don't get a medal for their work. But some might say they deserve one.

How does doing a leisure activity entitles one for a skill cape? Even if you put allot of effort in it.

 

They do deserve to get updates, they are the ones who help pay for the member's benifits even if they dont realize it. So if there were no ads it may have taken a few more years for all of the new quests, monsters, areas, and other fun things. So... :shame:

 

You show me a link which says just how much F2P pays for the games by viewing ads.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

You show me a link which says just how much F2P pays for the games by viewing ads.

First Graph

 

It shows ad revenue for that fiscal year as being between 2.2M and 2.3M. That amount results in approximately 7% of total revenues (as shown in the second graph).

 

How does doing a leisure activity entitles one for a skill cape? Even if you put allot of effort in it.

In that case, why do P2P deserve them? By that logic, we should just remove them. This isn't real life, it is a GAME.

[junkiejeff]

Ok, let me start with saying that I don't try to bash F2P.

I personally think that F2P deserves skill capes as much as it does deserve other updates. So skill capes shouldn't be a priority.

 

Second to answer unkn0wnwarrior:

F2P players are not essential for the survival of Jagex. Those ads are just an additional way to earn some money.

F2P is solely there for players to get a taste of runescape so they might buy a membership.

It's up to Jagex to give F2P updates and players certainly do not deserve anything. It's their choice they play runescape.

P2P deserves more update because they have a subscription to a membership. This subscription means that for paying a sum of money every month, members get more money.

Nobody really deserves updates.

You said it yourself, this isn't real life, it's a game.

 

Please someone explain me how F2Pers deserve updates. For that matter; how on earth does someone deserve to play a online game?

[unkn0wnwarrior]

How many new players would they get, realistically, if they had to pay to play the game from the start? Or even if they had a limited free trial? The answer is, most likely, not enough. Therefore, F2P and it's players ARE essential to the survival of Runescape, which is essential to the survival of Jagex as a company (at least until "Stellar Dawn comes out).

 

I completely agree that if and when F2P gets an update (and what it is) is 100% up to Jagex. I have said that since I started playing again in '04 or '05. But they can stop giving updates to P2P for the same reasons. They are not legally bound to keep updating the game. All they have to do is take it ooff of the "benefits of membership" page and nobody can do a thing about it.

 

Of course P2P should get MORE updates than F2P. But the fact is that F2P will always get a few a year. Unless they go back on their word, which could happen. And first you say P2P deserves more updates, then you say nobody deserves any. Typo or...?

 

Of course, I don't really care about skillcapes, but F2P deserves them no less than P2P.

[Youmu]

F2P players are not essential for the survival of Jagex. Those ads are just an additional way to earn some money.

F2P is solely there for players to get a taste of runescape so they might buy a membership.

It's up to Jagex to give F2P updates and players certainly do not deserve anything. It's their choice they play runescape.

P2P deserves more update because they have a subscription to a membership. This subscription means that for paying a sum of money every month, members get more money.

Nobody really deserves updates.

You said it yourself, this isn't real life, it's a game.

 

Please someone explain me how F2Pers deserve updates. For that matter; how on earth does someone deserve to play a online game?

You do realize that Runescape only had F2P once?

 

Without F2Pers, then Runescape would never be in the Guiness world records and the game won't be as popular.

 

If F2P was ONLY there just for a taste of Runescape (in other words a demo), then why is there no trial limit?

[langer]

I actually don't see how F2P deserves skill capes.

Runescape is just a game and playing it is totally up to you.

I don´t understand why F2P ought to get updates of any kind.

That said, I haven´t seen one valid objective argument why F2P should get skill capes.

They do deserve to get updates, they are the ones who help pay for the member's benifits even if they dont realize it. So if there were no ads it may have taken a few more years for all of the new quests, monsters, areas, and other fun things. So... :shame:

 

This shows how clueless some kids can be...Ads represents 7% of all revenues from Jagex. Assuming the F2P/P2P ratio is 2 to 1, every F2Per contributes 1/26th of what a P2Per contributes. What is commonly accepted, is that ads roughly covers the costs of maintenance and running the free game. By the way, this is also assuming all P2Per never view any ads (homepage and diffent sections of the RS webpage).

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I actually don't see how F2P deserves skill capes.

Runescape is just a game and playing it is totally up to you.

I don´t understand why F2P ought to get updates of any kind.

That said, I haven´t seen one valid objective argument why F2P should get skill capes.

They do deserve to get updates, they are the ones who help pay for the member's benifits even if they dont realize it. So if there were no ads it may have taken a few more years for all of the new quests, monsters, areas, and other fun things. So... :shame:

 

This shows how clueless some kids can be...Ads represents 7% of all revenues from Jagex. Assuming the F2P/P2P ratio is 2 to 1, every F2Per contributes 1/26th of what a P2Per contributes. What is commonly accepted, is that ads roughly covers the costs of maintenance and running the free game. By the way, this is also assuming all P2Per never view any ads (homepage and diffent sections of the RS webpage).

Personally, I would say the ratio is higher. But the simple fact is, we don't know how much they spend in all of F2P upkeep/update, so F2P could very well be adding to the P2P game's finances. And without F2P, there likely wouldn't be ads, since that is supposed to be a benefit of P2P, so we could argue that all ad revenue is due to F2P's continued existence.

[langer]

Yeah this is mostly a wild guess. I wouldn't be surprised if Jagex took a loss with F2P for promotionnal purposes, it's a common practice and a benefiting one considering lots of members learned how to play in F2P.

 

Once again I go Off-Topic...

 

On-topic : F2Pers deserve skill capes as much as P2Pers. From a business viewpoint, I don't think Jagex will release end-game rewards for F2P though...

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Yeah this is mostly a wild guess. I wouldn't be surprised if Jagex took a loss with F2P for promotionnal purposes, it's a common practice and a benefiting one considering lots of members learned how to play in F2P.

 

Once again I go Off-Topic...

 

On-topic : F2Pers deserve skill capes as much as P2Pers. From a business viewpoint, I don't think Jagex will release end-game rewards for F2P though...

I definitely agree with you, there. Except that I don't believe F2P runs a loss. I figure we earn just more than we cost. But it is all assumptions. I also believe F2P will get SOMETHING to show their skills, although I doubt it will be much.

[Skeptical]

They should not get capes. They are a members item, and there really is not a single argument that I have yet seen that has convinced me that they have any need for them.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

They should not get capes. They are a members item, and there really is not a single argument that I have yet seen that has convinced me that they have any need for them.

Members didn't have any NEED for them, either. The fact is that F2P can get 99s, so why don't they get to show that off without using quickchat or hiscores? The capes were intended to show the mastery of a skill, not that you paid for a month.

[junkiejeff]

I am not trying to discuss if it is morally right that F2P should get skill capes.

The point is that P2P pays for the game and therefore gets more updates.

F2P does not pay and is currently less important, therefore F2P gets less updates.

The amount of updates is totally up to Jagex, because they run the whole game.

I once again am not convinced why F2P deserves specific updates just because they play a game for fun. You might want updates, everybody wants more updates, but it simply is not enough for F2P ever to deserve any update. And I repeat once more: to deserve any update

And to answer sonic:

I think runescape is divided into F2P and P2P because it used to be solely F2P.

That doesn't mean runescape is vital for it's existence, just look at the amount of MMO who started P2P.

Also it surely is not a valid argument why F2P deserves anything.