Tip.It Times Presents: Anything Goes

[Prankster_King]

I laughed when I saw my own made-up word (tellytubbies) in there. :lol: But, I'd just like to let you know that that term isn't meant to be an actual insult... I created that term, and put it in my guide for popular pking terms as more of a joke than anything else. I would always joke with my friends when our victim tellied away, saying "There goes another teletubby". It isn't meant to be taken as an actual, fully offensive insult. It's just a fun word that I liked throwing at people to lighten the mood of losing a pk victim. :

 

 

 

The article was a very interesting read, but you made a pretty large error in it all. (And I say this as I have been a veteran pker for several years now)

 

 

 

There isn't "Honour" pking, never was, and was never thought to have been. Pking is a free-for-all, and I have never heard anyone say "Pmg, u pk with no honour!", or vis-a-versa.

 

 

 

There is, however, what is considered to be "honour" and "no honour" clans. These are seperated by opinions of what is right and wrong in the wilderness, when it involves crashing wars/events, use of spies, flaming when losing, etc.. But there isn't "honour" and "no honour" pking.

 

 

 

What should those "potty-mouths that flame you with pointless insults when they can't kill you" be called? Nubs. Plain and simple. Their lust for easy r00n takes over the original reason about why they joined Runescape. (Which is to have fun)

 

 

 

If you absolutely must split pkers into two groups, split them into the "Nubs" and "Mature Pkers". That's really all you can do. There will always be those insolent little nuisances that flame you with insults like "safer!11@!" and "omg def noob1@". The simplest solution to them is adding them to Ignore, and finish bashing the crap out of them.

 

 

 

Keep that in mind.

[mara_planter]

Point #1: Why does one point of view (honor vs. anything goes) have to prevail universally? Why can't there be worlds for each? What is the benefit of creating an environment where competing points of view are forced into conflict (i.e. putting rewards in the wilderness that are part of the most logical method of raising skills)? It seems like a recipe for culture clash.

 

 

 

Point #2: My teen-age son has quite a few friends who only play on an extremely successful competing MMPORPG (or who are only allowed to play that game) BECAUSE it has in-game support for a code of ethics. Posters may say that those with honor are a small part of the RS community, but RS is a small part of a larger world. Jagex may attract some customers with the creation of a lawless wilderness, but it loses others.

 

 

 

Point #3: After the Crusades, the Code of Chivalry was created so that the peasants could live in peace without being terrorized by the warriors. The Geneva convention was created to prevent unnecessary bloodshed among combatants. These have worked pretty well for Western civilization. What might the RS community learn from history?

 

 

 

Point #4: The contributors to this thread seem to be mostly males. They may attract a gf by being high-level and rich, but they keep her by playing with honor, regardless of what Jagex or their clan or the RS culture says. We girls might go out with bad boys, but we don't marry them. If players (including pkers) don't learn to limit their behavior voluntarily (and we can think of RS as a microcosm of RL), the problem will take care of itself -- they will die out.

 

 

 

All in all, the essay seemed like just another person who was complaining that Jagex, other players, etc., don't do things their way. Maturity is not about being unbiased, it's about recognizing that you're not the center of the universe. That is lacking in both the author of the essay, and the people he is complaining about.

[starev91]

 

Point #1: Why does one point of view (honor vs. anything goes) have to prevail universally? Why can't there be worlds for each? What is the benefit of creating an environment where competing points of view are forced into conflict (i.e. putting rewards in the wilderness that are part of the most logical method of raising skills)? It seems like a recipe for culture clash.

 

Culture clash fuels conflict, and conflict fuels innovation. The more conflicts between skillers and pkers there are in the wilderness, or even just honor pkers and normal pkers, the more each side will innovate and find new and better ways to follow their ways.

 

 

 

Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

 

 

Maturity is not about being unbiased, it's about recognizing that you're not the center of the universe. That is lacking in both the author of the essay, and the people he is complaining about.

 

 

 

First step to realizing you aren't the center of the universe is to recognize that there are other viewpoints then yours. Then taking them into consideration. That's where writing unbiased articles comes in: it makes the writer appear more mature, and fuels discussion without flaming or insults.

 

 

 

Other then that, the people he's complaining about mainly argue that their way, even if THEY don't win, at least SOMEBODY does. Probably not the entire truth, but it might be some of it. It's the ideal truth, at least; I haven't seen as selfless an ideal truth in anything goes. And even if it isn't because of the ideal, at least it gives it a stepping point.

[quitthegame]

Point #1: Why does one point of view (honor vs. anything goes) have to prevail universally? Why can't there be worlds for each? What is the benefit of creating an environment where competing points of view are forced into conflict (i.e. putting rewards in the wilderness that are part of the most logical method of raising skills)? It seems like a recipe for culture clash.

 

 

 

Because conflict is interesting, and people play games to be entertained. If you want boring sameness, you don't need to boot up RS to get that.

 

 

 

Point #2: My teen-age son has quite a few friends who only play on an extremely successful competing MMPORPG (or who are only allowed to play that game) BECAUSE it has in-game support for a code of ethics. Posters may say that those with honor are a small part of the RS community, but RS is a small part of a larger world. Jagex may attract some customers with the creation of a lawless wilderness, but it loses others.

 

 

 

True enough, but I'd rather see RS as a better game than min/max every decision for number of paying customers. I believe that attitude backfires anyways.

 

 

 

 

 

Point #4: The contributors to this thread seem to be mostly males. They may attract a gf by being high-level and rich, but they keep her by playing with honor, regardless of what Jagex or their clan or the RS culture says. We girls might go out with bad boys, but we don't marry them. If players (including pkers) don't learn to limit their behavior voluntarily (and we can think of RS as a microcosm of RL), the problem will take care of itself -- they will die out.

 

 

 

Uh if you think people quit RS because they don't find an ingame wife... then I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

All in all, the essay seemed like just another person who was complaining that Jagex, other players, etc., don't do things their way. Maturity is not about being unbiased, it's about recognizing that you're not the center of the universe. That is lacking in both the author of the essay, and the people he is complaining about.

 

 

 

I agree in large part, although I don't agree that it's necessarily immature or egocentric to create a wilderness code of honor.

[De_Lille_D]

HELL YEAH! I can't believe how right he is!

 

Surviving and getting items > Fake honour

 

 

 

I think I might just take out my dds and laugh while protecting item lol.

[rockwizard3]

ya i definately agree 110%

 

 

 

if u have trained high enough to use things then u should be able to use it..for example prayer, if u can use protect prayers then use um, dont listen to nub pkers that say not to ccuz they will lose if u do. there dumb and stink at pking. end of story

[quitthegame]

 

First step to realizing you aren't the center of the universe is to recognize that there are other viewpoints then yours. Then taking them into consideration. That's where writing unbiased articles comes in: it makes the writer appear more mature, and fuels discussion without flaming or insults.

 

 

 

 

What you are not understanding in our viewpoints, I think, is that we perceive an enormous gap between "taking them into consideration" and "writing unbiased articles". I personally see unbiased as a relative term, that no one can ever write something absolutely unbiased. While I agree that mature flame-free discussions are a worthy goal, I think that it's better to focus on quality thinking and quality communication as a means to that end, instead of pretending to be without bias.

[Kiara_Kat]

Sausageman10 DUDE ARE YOU Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeengliiiiiiiiiiiiiiish?

 

 

 

cause you spell honor with an extra "u" :honour

 

 

 

Good Read tho

 

 

 

 

 

~Gantail

 

 

 

Excuse me, but only Americans spell honour without the "u". Everywhere else in the world, including the UK and your northern neighbour Canada, it's spelled WITH a "u" - honour.

[footashi1]

1 iteming FTW

 

teleporting FTW

 

running FTW

 

 

 

only cause i like my st00f :P

[MasterSamus]

wow this really will help me convincing my bratty friends about the wilderness

 

 

 

and if they dont, i'll just kick theliving ghost right out of their bodies(littiraly : )

[spikerkid]

I agree with this 100%. This is why I don't pk... If you don't do it their way it's the wrong way. If you want to die fine by me, just don't use the stuff you can use.

 

 

 

Wilderness is pretty pointless now. Filled with fire cape,rune def,torso fighting noobs :uhh: .

[Dragrinu]

that guy made the most sense ive ever heard about the wildy "anything gos" is the way it is and it will always be and that guy deserves a medal for making such a great thing.......

[norwayman4]

I disagree with the author of this article. I think that if everyone prayed protection prayers, 1v1 fights would be extremely boring. I agree with Djmans on this one.

 

 

 

Hence we have Smite.

 

 

 

Sorry, Haven't been back to check since about 24 hours lol.

 

 

 

Have you ever tried fighting someone near your combat level, while they're using the Protection from Melee prayer, and you're using Smite?

 

 

 

First of all, Smite's effectiveness is based on the damage you do to someone. When you're hitting 15-18s max, you're only smiting 4-5 prayer points MAX each hit. Oh, and prayer pots? People restore their prayer during fights.

 

 

 

While you're hitting half damage on them, and they are drinking prayer pots occasionally to keep their prayer up, they are hitting twice as hard as you are.

 

 

 

Smite IS effective at lowering their prayer, if they are not using protect from melee, and using the 15% prayers though.

[ProZac_Rehab]

Pathetic topic, pathetic explanation most likey by a pathetic pker. "Perhaps you just aren't good enough" NO perhaps its you who is not good enough due to you running/teleing etc. If you don't like the situations of pking then just don't do it, or at least don't complain about it and then for you to run away. What the hell would be the point of pking if everyone just ran away or teled? HMMMM? If you don't want to lose your stuff when u die then go play Castlewars and don't enter the wild.

 

 

 

Not everybody is in wildy to pk...u gonna call them n00bs if they run or tele from a fight they don't want to engage in?

[muggiwhplar]

Overall good article but a lot of things were unmentioned, like PJ'ing. For those of you don't know what PJ'ing is, it's when you get a kill and then someone attacks you and you die before you can loot your kill.

 

 

 

It's not like you can PJ someone and be like, "It's the wilderness. Anything goes. If you didn't want to get PJ'd you shouldn't have killed that guy."

[mello757]

There's a wilderness? Where?

 

 

 

J/K

 

 

 

I loved your article. I don't pk but I did do fight pits once and ate some food. OMG I never heard the end of it. I did the mistake of reading tip.it and runescape guides on it (sarcasm). They said you can do anything you want in there (much like the wilderness). The point being to survive until you are the last one standing using any means necessary. Because of that I took some food thinking "hey I wanna outlast everyone and win". I forgot to read the guide written by the 12 Dharok clones (they all looked exactly the same) that were "controlling" the pits and "enforcing" their rules for that hour, of that day, on that world stating you can't eat food. I felt like a "fresh off tutorial island" newbie. Well not really. I ate more food and killed them. Then I got pots and more food and better stuff just TO kill them. Finally after they all teamed up on me everytime I smiled and went and did something else. They were so mad. lol.

 

 

 

So, I guess if your out there doing anything you want to survive and it makes people mad and they call you names then keep doing it. If you got under their skin it's an advantage to you.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Look, I can agree with this article if you're not in a world where people want to DM or duel. If you are, then stop whining and abide by the rules or switch worlds.

[Hugh_Mannity]

Excuse me, but only Americans spell honour without the "u". Everywhere else in the world, including the UK and your northern neighbour Canada, it's spelled WITH a "u" - honour.

 

And unless I'm mistaken, Tip.It uses English spelling as its default.

 

 

 

Nice article. It's certainly whipped up a storm of responses.

 

 

 

Not being a PKer myself, I've not really got a horse in this race. However, I strongly believe that Abyss PKers are the lowest form of life. I was going to say "sentient life", but I think that over-estimates them.

[Kingtarantul]

I'm going to have to agree and disagree with this topic. First off, I agree that many terms are made up and are pointless such as:

 

1. Safer - Sorry if I'm not going to let you KO me. I'll eat whenever I want.

 

2. Def Noob - This is pathetic. There are now more pures in the wilderness so that training a stat you thought you were supposed to now is illegal?

 

3. Farcaster - Melee is at the disadvantage of having to be right next to someone to hit them. This is why mage beats them in the combat triangle.

 

4. Prayer Noob - I'm half and half on this. One side of me says that if you trained it you can use it. The other half knows that if both people pray, (this is from a F2P perspective) it will make the fight even more boring. Mains hit constant 0's and once one is out of food they simply teleport. Prayer just adds to that bore.

 

 

 

I read the article throughout but I fail to see one mention of PJing. I myself follow the honor code but I couldn't really care less about other people except for PJing. Now what do you call someone once you get a kill that attacks you immediately afterwards? Rude? No honor fits in here. Let's use an analogy. Your 10 years old in the swimming pool with some of your friends. You get challenged to a hold your breath contest and win coming up for air last. Now let's say your other friend challenges you to a hold your breath contest immediately afterwards and dunks your head in the water. Most likely you will lose and when you do your excuse is that you weren't ready, you couldn't catch your breath in time, or you needed a quick break before doing it again. Is that fair at all?

 

 

 

I personally abide by this honor code:

 

1. I do not teleport.

 

2. I do not PJ.

 

3. I do not protection prayer 1v1 (Mainly cause I can't).

 

4. I do not flame (Most people don't have this in their honor code).

 

 

 

I do:

 

1. "Safe"

 

2. "Farcast"

 

3. "Be a def noob cause of my 2 def"

 

4. "Run from fights"

 

 

 

On number 4 I run because I give you a chance to kill me.

 

 

 

Most people complain about people teleporting. Well if they weren't too much of a wussy themselves to go past level 20 (30 in P2P) then they shouldn't whine. Also, bring teleblock if it annoys you that much.

 

 

 

I was quite appalled by this article, I do agree that the wilderness should be "no rules" but I hang out with people who strictly abide by the honor code (as I described) and I follow it for one thing. Respect. And I think repsect is worth the price of losing 30k every now and then.

 

 

 

This was written from a F2P pure point of view.

[what_is_own]

Good article and an interesting topic; it is fun to debate about. It certainly adresses one of the more controversial issues of runescape which makes it all the more fun to read. Your article is almost 100% biased towards the "liberal" side of the wildy where people can do anything that is legal in terms of the runescape rules (run, safe, tele). It isn't neccesarily a bad thing; but your article would be better if you would include why the honor system exists (to make sure people get kills at low level wildy) or how people strive to enforce it / keep people following it (calling anybody who doesn't abide by the "rules" a nerd).

 

 

 

I have a few thoughts of my own that I want to share to you that I have collected as a high level pure about the honor system. Let's start out with the definition of honor system. The honor system is a series of rules created and followed by mainly pures that enhance the percentage of somebody dying in a fair fight and thus making one of the most fun things in runescape profitable. Usually the honor system as we know it is used by pkers who pk in big world edgeville, who almost always use melee and are almost always pure. An important aspect of the honor system that sort of contradicts its purpose is that people are allowed to run (interestingly people are not allowed to tele which is essentially a form of running). But why is running, contradictory to the honor system's purpose, allowed in the honor system? Part of the answer is location and part of the answer has to do with price of certain pk items. Let's start with location. Edgeville is an easy place to run from which makes the honor code convenient for people who pk there. Pking in edgeville is all about main wep / dds with varying armors usually rune or monk robes depending on the pure type. It is 9 times out of 10 the dragon dagger special that kills people in edgeville. Price plays a role in this allowance of running in that supplies for pking in edgeville are cheap compared to the armors worn and weapons wielded. Even though people are allowed to run and waste 20k or so a trip; it is still profitable for the persons with the most skill who get the expensive gear with lucky dragon dagger hits thus holding true to the point of the honor system, profit. What a long-winded definition that was!

 

 

 

The honor system does not exist anywhere else in the wildy where the stakes are higher than in edgeville because it is no longer needed in order for kills to be made. That doesn't mean that people will constantly pray against each other (mainly because they want to speed up the outcome of the fight, havethe potential for an easy knock out, and make sure people won't run out of "deep low level wildy" like dragons due to the unfairness created by farcasting, safing, etc.). People bring runes to the wildy wildy and different mage armors to gain advantages over other players. This advantage is not wasted in deeper wildy like it is in edgeville because of the fact that to get away from deep wildy is hard unlike edgeville.

 

 

 

Many pkers will find themselves stuck somwhere between honor and no honor. A pure like me fights with honor at edgeville because of its location. While at green dragons or mage bank it is about getting the kill without endangering your stuff to a degree where you will loose it; your opponent doesn't have any "pking rights", that is control as to how the battle will go. Your opponent can't just run away and call you a noob. Your opponent can die and then call you a noob at higher wildies. I don't want to show myself as arrogant in referencing the person in the following sentence, but I want to use a well-known "honorable" in all areas pure. I recently killed i spiili i at green dragons by cheating him and have no 99 stats. Now if i were to fight him at edge I don't think i would have gotten the kill.

[jackal_55]

well, i think it all comes down to respect.

 

running from an agreed deathmatch deserves to get you insulted, abyss pking deserves to get you insulted, and praying in a 1v1 situation (unless they started first) deserves to get you insulted.

 

 

 

some people say that "honour pkers" are just noobs who are obssesed with getting pixels, but wouldent it make more sense that the 1 iteming pjer is the one who is obbsessed with pixels?

 

i'd say the honour pkers are simply the kind of people who want a fair fight, on even terms, so it comes down to a characters stats and the players skill.

 

i dont teleport, because iff you kill me before i can get away you deserve my items, if you cant kill me, you dont deserve them.

 

 

 

compare pking to boxing.

 

iff a boxer hits below the belt, he gets a foul, that basically the same as prayer in a 1v1 situation.

 

its almost impossible to KO someone using prayer, so iff you oponent prays, the other person is probably going to do it too.

 

but iff both are praying, nobody can get killed before they get away, so what the point in fighting?

 

 

 

in one word: sportsmanship.

[zander459]

I admit that I haven't read all the prior pages due to lack of time, so I apologize if I am repeating something that has already been said, but some of what I have read in previous pages shows that the writers would be advised to go back and read the Editor's article again.

 

 

 

In order to be an effective rulemaker, you have to have ENFORCEMENT power - i.e., you have to be able to stop people from doing things that break the rules. Governments of countries first make the laws and then enforce them through the police and the courts. If the police see you robbing a store, which breaks the government's laws, they will immediately stop you and haul you away.

 

 

 

JAGEX is the government of Runescape. They are the only ones who can effectively make rules in RS because they are the only ones with enforcement power.

 

 

 

I feel like I need to say that again, so let me put that another way:

 

 

 

JAGEX can keep, and does keep, every player in the game from teleing out of level 30 wildy. But all of the so-called honor PKERS in runescape, even if massed at one time at lvl 2 Edgy wildy, can't through their insults stop a SINGLE player from teleing out of level 2 wildy.

 

 

 

A quote from the Editor:

 

 

 

"And, regardless of whatever insults honour PKERs have come up with for people to outsmart them, they can't do anything to stop you."

 

 

 

So these supposed "rules" are meaningless, and all the discussion about the "reasons" for the rules, etc., is just hot air, because any rule that can be violated with impunity can be said, for all practical purposes, not to exist in the first place.

 

 

 

The bottom line is that these self appointed rulemakers are silly. For years I have regularly killed players in the wildy, and I don't even know what these supposed "honour rules" are, and I have no interest in ever finding out. JAGEX's rules are my rules. JAGEX is judge, jury and executioner. I obey them, I don't obey you.

 

 

 

Why would I let some random enemy impose rules on me that might mandate my preventable death when my enemy has no enforcement power whatsoever and when I don't even have any assurance that my immediate enemy will obey these supposed rules? That would be stupid.

 

 

 

After I kill you, if it makes you feel better that I have violated some supposed "rule" or have behaved in a way that you and some subset of RS players consider "dishonourable," then I'm glad you take solace in that. But, I hope you don't mind too much if I just keep killing you and selling your stuff.

[Celestrana]

[hide=quoting zander459]

I admit that I haven't read all the prior pages due to lack of time, so I apologize if I am repeating something that has already been said, but some of what I have read in previous pages shows that the writers would be advised to go back and read the Editor's article again.

 

 

 

In order to be an effective rulemaker, you have to have ENFORCEMENT power - i.e., you have to be able to stop people from doing things that break the rules. Governments of countries first make the laws and then enforce them through the police and the courts. If the police see you robbing a store, which breaks the government's laws, they will immediately stop you and haul you away.

 

 

 

JAGEX is the government of Runescape. They are the only ones who can effectively make rules in RS because they are the only ones with enforcement power.

 

 

 

I feel like I need to say that again, so let me put that another way:

 

 

 

JAGEX can keep, and does keep, every player in the game from teleing out of level 30 wildy. But all of the so-called honor PKERS in runescape, even if massed at one time at lvl 2 Edgy wildy, can't through their insults stop a SINGLE player from teleing out of level 2 wildy.

 

 

 

A quote from the Editor:

 

 

 

"And, regardless of whatever insults honour PKERs have come up with for people to outsmart them, they can't do anything to stop you."

 

 

 

So these supposed "rules" are meaningless, and all the discussion about the "reasons" for the rules, etc., is just hot air, because any rule that can be violated with impunity can be said, for all practical purposes, not to exist in the first place.

 

 

 

The bottom line is that these self appointed rulemakers are silly. For years I have regularly killed players in the wildy, and I don't even know what these supposed "honour rules" are, and I have no interest in ever finding out. JAGEX's rules are my rules. JAGEX is judge, jury and executioner. I obey them, I don't obey you.

 

 

 

Why would I let some random enemy impose rules on me that might mandate my preventable death when my enemy has no enforcement power whatsoever and when I don't even have any assurance that my immediate enemy will obey these supposed rules? That would be stupid.

 

 

 

After I kill you, if it makes you feel better that I have violated some supposed "rule" or have behaved in a way that you and some subset of RS players consider "dishonourable," then I'm glad you take solace in that. But, I hope you don't mind too much if I just keep killing you and selling your stuff.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Well said zander459. This thread has been clearly divided into two camps: the "honor" PKers who are futilely defending their position, and the realistic players who see these "honor rules" as just plain silly.

 

 

 

I've never been a player-killer and I don't think I'll ever be one, but it seems these "honor PKers" simply expect their opponent to stand around and get killed. Here's an idea, why don't you stand still for 30 seconds and see how you take my Red Salamander? You can use all the prayers, potions, tuna potatoes you want but I can simply switch my attack style on my Red Salamander to compensate.

 

 

 

Oh wait! You have to abide to your high and mighty "honor" rules! Guess what? Maybe you can save me the trouble of actually DOING anything to kill you and you should just drop your stuff and run back to Lumbridge, which by the way is where that type of mentality should stay along side with the level-3 beggars, scammers and other player-archetypes of ill repute.

 

 

 

Here's a better idea for all you "honor" PKers. Why don't you spend your time to train your combat skills to a high enough level so that you can make full use of the available game mechanics such as Entangle and Teleblock instead of calling people "def n00b" or "safer" or whatever monikers you've created!

 

 

 

So if you and your gang of "honor" PKers were to gang up on "the Great Zed" (according to Forum rules, I can't use his name...), do you expect him to stand around like a total fool so that you can kill him? Of course not! He'll most likely Ice Barrage your whole lot a few times and have a good chuckle.

 

 

 

Yes. Long rant but I just had to get it out of my system.

[Oo_Rage_Oo]

It seems that many people believe that 'honorable' pkers are just after pixels. Tell me this, how can someone who doesn't pray 1v1 or teleport from a fight be doing the best to save or gain pixels?

 

 

 

I myself do not teleport or pray 1v1, not because I think of everyone who does as a noob, but I see it as good sportsmanship. Any game where players can fight each other has some set of rules that most players follow as a guideline, RS is no different. I could care less if you prayed or teled in a fight with me, the tele would just waste space in your inventory meaning you had less food, and the pray would eventully run out :wink:

 

 

 

'Safing' however is something that I don't believe in. If someone wants to eat to full hp, theres nothing wrong with it. It affects the fight in no way whatsoever, you start with the same amount of health in food, and finish with the same amount anyway that you eat it.

 

 

 

Pjing/tagging and people who hang around with the wilderness with 1 item can't really call themselves pkers, as they are not risking anything to gain in the long run, they are just waiting around to kill off unsuspecting victims and are pixel hungry the most.

 

 

 

Farcasters? No such thing. A mager or ranger is given the ability to shoot from a distance and may use this to their full advantage. They hit less in exchange for these other bonuses, whilst meleers hit harder but cannot attack from a distance.

 

 

 

Well thats just my views on Honorable and Non honorable pking, I am an honorable pker, not because I want pixels but for the good sportmanship that many have associated with pking.

 

 

 

'Def noob', 'farcaster', 'safer', 'prayer noob'? These are merely terms used by people who are pissed off about losing those few extra pixels that would make their day.

 

 

 

In my opinion, running from a fight when having agreed to fight to the death is no honour. Pking with 1 item or pjing/tagging people who have just barely survived a fair fight is no honour. Pking people who have no intention to fight such as dragons and abyss is no honour. Pixels over sportsmanship is no honour.

[Badboy5959]

That article is very one sided all you show is from the point of view of the person doing all the "No Honour" things. Now I don't like the use of the word Honour in a game but everyone has their own area of rules for pkin they want to follow. In the "Honour" Clan world we like to follow rules like no crashing war's or other peoples planned fights. Why you may ask? Because its stupid and we find it un fair to go in and spoil someone else's fun. When it comes to pking with clans the "Honour" clans do not allow members to tele wear noob gear like hides with just a rune scimmy, they don't allow their members to run from fights. You want to know why. It's because we pk to fight not to save or gain rune. Afterall these are only pixels they have no use in the outside world. Once you quit this game its all gone. So why bother being so worried about losing rs money at pk's when in the end its worthless anyways.

 

 

 

When it comes to fighting 1 on 1 I feel that you discribed the pray thing way wrong. When I pk and I p2p pk a lot. I do not pray 1 vs 1 I sometimes wont even smite a person for their whip if they don't want to use smite. Why? because im a nice guy and I don't pk for money I pk for fun. RS money is nothing to me so I don't care about profit just as long as I get rune legs or even a dds to restalk on food and pots its fine. But when you say if someone prays 1 vs 1 on you simply just put smite on you obviously no nothing about pking someone who prays.(which is probably true since you said yourself you pray melee) Think about this for a second. Lets say I am fighting you in the wilderness. I have my usual gear. Torso, rune legs, zerker helm, rune def, glory, dds, whip, barrows gloves, climb boots(or sometimes rune), and a legends cape. You have your white/gold armer dscim and bunch of other junk you dont care about losing. I will respectfully first ask you to pot if you won't I'll say ok last chance then I'll pot and attack you. Because you are to me 1 itemeing I'll automatically smite you. Now You say pray melee in fights is ok. So next you put pray melee on. Now my attacks are greatly weakend but yours are just as strong as ever. You say keep smiting if I don't like you praying 1 vs 1. Now lets see I normally hit 32ish with a dds spec so I'll say you hit same now because you are praying your gonna hit 32 20 on me and I'll only hit 15 18. You will then switch off dds and hit 30's with dscim while I hit 20's with my whip. How effective do you think the smite is gonna work on you. I have almost a 0% chance of killing you but you have about a 50% chance of killing me. Now I will probably say No smite? and then take it off(since some if they don't wanna fight with smite will pray) then wait for you to take off your pray melee. But because you pray anyways you will continue to pray melee. By the time ive smited all your pray pots I will have no food and you will still have probably half.

 

 

 

 

 

This is just plain stupid. Just because Jagex lets you do it doesn't mean it isn't gonna ruin pking for other people. I spent 4 years f2p and 1 year p2p so far. In the 4 years i was f2p I mainly pked. I could go through 1k+ lobs a day fighting people who tele fight after fight. After a while it becomes a major waste of money. Even for people who tele it becomes costly cuz you never stick around long enough to win a fight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion if someone is able to kill me in a fight they deserve to get my stuff. If you cannot afford to pk don't pk just go skill some more. As for pking deeper the reason people pk at edge is because they don't want to end up fighting a 120+ 1 vs 1 where they are guarenteed to lose.

 

 

 

I do agree that it has gone way out of hand the way some people act. I have no problem with eating to stay alive. Safe eating is a newer thing(to me atleast) things like that were never around and they started when the f2p pure fad came in. People couldn't hit very high so they were tired of not getting kills.

 

 

 

As for far casting and rc pking. Far casters can try and far cast me any day i have a 90% chance of being able to ko you.(had lots of practice fighting them) when it comes to rc pkers you are just plain sad. Rc pkers are newb pkers(newb = new) who have little to no skill. they do it because its free glory's and the oponint has no prayer and little to no food. Not to mention it is very mean. People who rc using the abyss die to a rc pker have to go through all the hard work of getting their pouches again.(this is a very anoying process) Obviously the maker of this article has never rced using the abyss or they would be 100% against rc pking.

 

 

 

 

 

Scott