Your opinion matters!

[kingmerik888]

Hello, im kingmerik888

 

 

 

I want YOUR opinion on the new bow!

 

many mages complain they want a new weap, or they are getting pwned too much by the two arrow and mass damage part. :evil:

 

 

 

all the rangers are celebrating, finally jagex listens to them and they get an update! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Myself, im too poor too afford it, im not mad at it or anything, im just mad at merchs selling for ~6.7 on forums :wink: damned merchs #-o

 

 

 

What do you think about the bow?

[lordfan21]

I don't think ive seen any threads about the Dark Bow yet so im gladly looking forward to this one.

 

 

 

[kingmerik888]

theres many, but not about the opinion of it, most of it is ranting and rambling

 

 

 

i want fellow tipers opinions :D

[Tbfgraphx14]

^lol

 

 

 

Yea I hope they don't nerf it because then they will just go back to saying mage/meele is overpowerd :wall:

[anonymouse_]

I think it's nice that it was released, although I haven't used one so I can't really say how good/bad it is.

[Fredz]

I think the bow's special attack is too powerful in multi combat.

 

 

 

It owns melee'rs hardcore style.

 

 

 

I mean... It NEVER miss..

 

 

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

[Biggieg333]

I just saw about an hour ago, and it looked rather strong. I think that it kinda puts things out of whack. I think it should be cheaper, with such a low range requirement. If I had the range level, i would certainly buy it, but yet again. I have absolutely no money. In conclusion, I think that the bow is a little too powerful, but I don't really care, cause I'm too low a level and too poor to use it/afford it.

[kingmerik888]

Bump'd.

 

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[Freesia]

I think the bow's special attack is too powerful in multi combat.

 

 

 

It owns melee'rs hardcore style.

 

 

 

I mean... It NEVER miss..

 

 

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

 

You can hit, but that does not mean you always hit high enough for a KO.

[lavaownz]

I like it, but im scared for mages, i mean they can hit 30 x9 but if there one on one it is noit great. I am not saying that rangers shouldn't own mages they should and I am happy that they can now, but I think many rants will go on saying how mage is underpowerd.

 

 

 

 

 

10 years later after every single person on rs rants about other combat triangle updates:

 

 

 

 

Greeting all!

 

we think we have finally solved every rant aganst every triangle rant! Now meleers have a mega dagger ultra poisend that has a special attak that only takes one part of the bar each time with a quadrouple hit! With increased accurace, and strength, you are almost guarennteed to KO your oppenent with 1 hit!

 

 

 

 

 

For all you rangers we indroduce a light bow to go with the dark bow realesed 10 years ago! Also, new mega ultra arrows of death muhahaha :twisted: ! With these new arrows you can hit a max of 99! The special attack uses the full bar but hits 5 times with a 100% accuracy!

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, mages, we introduce ice super mega hit of doom that frezzes your enemy for 2 minutes and can hit 99 with a 10x10 area!

 

 

 

I hope you are all happy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS because you could own anyone with these weapons, and spell, we have gotten rid of all pvp areas yay!

 

 

 

 

 

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[Fredz]

I think the bow's special attack is too powerful in multi combat.

 

 

 

It owns melee'rs hardcore style.

 

 

 

I mean... It NEVER miss..

 

 

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

 

You can hit, but that does not mean you always hit high enough for a KO.

 

 

 

Lets say your max is 40. (making the max special 40,40 =80hp) (I have seen higher hits with the dark bow, so 40 is a quite realistic max hit, remember that we are using dragon arrows in my example, not bronze arrows)

 

 

 

Then your average hit with the special will be 20, 20.Giving 40 damage on average.

 

 

 

Five friends times average of 40 damage is 200 damage. That means if you have four friends, (5 total including yourself) you will on AVERAGE hit 200 damage in 0 - 1 second. Making your target unable to eat, pot or pray. Now lets say this guy was already range praying. You will still do an AVERAGE of 100 damage.

 

 

 

Now lets say that you are 10 friends. Even if everyone totally blow their special with minimal hits, like 5,5. Your opponent is still dead even if he have 99hp.

 

 

 

The whole concept of NEVER mis, and ALWAYS hit. Just seems very unbalanced for me. The Fact that not even the best armor in the game can give you a slight chance of defending agents the attack seems a little bit... hopeless.

[lavaownz]

I think the bow's special attack is too powerful in multi combat.

 

 

 

It owns melee'rs hardcore style.

 

 

 

I mean... It NEVER miss..

 

 

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

 

You can hit, but that does not mean you always hit high enough for a KO.

 

 

 

Lets say your max is 40. (making the max special 40,40 =80hp) (I have seen higher hits with the dark bow, so 40 is a quite realistic max hit, remember that we are using dragon arrows in my example, not bronze arrows)

 

 

 

Then your average hit with the special will be 20, 20.Giving 40 damage on average.

 

 

 

Five friends times average of 40 damage is 200 damage. That means if you have four friends, (5 total including yourself) you will on AVERAGE hit 200 damage in 0 - 1 second. Making your target unable to eat, pot or pray. Now lets say this guy was already range praying. You will still do an AVERAGE of 100 damage.

 

 

 

Now lets say that you are 10 friends. Even if everyone totally blow their special with minimal hits, like 5,5. Your opponent is still dead even if he have 99hp.

 

 

 

The whole concept of NEVER mis, and ALWAYS hit. Just seems very unbalanced for me. The Fact that not even the best armor in the game can give you a slight chance of defending agents the attack seems a little bit... hopeless.

 

 

 

 

 

mostly quoting last part

 

 

 

 

 

I am actually in game now, and ranging blk dragons with msb (79 range) and I know that they have high def and all, but only 1 of my probably 10 msb specials hit at all the one that did hit was a 3-1 special. Yes Black drags have high def, but I like the never miss idea for the speical, its just the max hit increse that gets me.

 

 

 

 

 

another q:

 

Anyone know the max with dragon arrows w/o special? I herd it was like 28

[Thus]

if this doesnt get nerfed by next week/month, jagex has done the whip's special a SERIOUS injustice. It used to hit all or nothing. Now dark bow hits all TWICE +30% or 50%

[Nathan_Fabio]

My opinion matters!!! :P

 

I don't know what to say... I think I'm in love

 

 

 

 

 

Anywho, who really cares. at elats i don't (woohoo my opinion), i don't pvp, i don't pk, so it doesn't amatter to me. If i could use it or afford it, i still wouldn't pk/pvp, id just slay any monsters that get in my way. I still htink mage is better.. Can't you freeze them? and then shouldnm' they not eb able to attack you?

 

 

 

Well? hmmm?

[superson]

I think the bow's special attack is too powerful in multi combat.

 

 

 

It owns melee'rs hardcore style.

 

 

 

I mean... It NEVER miss..

 

 

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

 

You can hit, but that does not mean you always hit high enough for a KO.

 

 

 

Lets say your max is 40. (making the max special 40,40 =80hp) (I have seen higher hits with the dark bow, so 40 is a quite realistic max hit, remember that we are using dragon arrows in my example, not bronze arrows)

 

 

 

Then your average hit with the special will be 20, 20.Giving 40 damage on average.

 

 

 

Five friends times average of 40 damage is 200 damage. That means if you have four friends, (5 total including yourself) you will on AVERAGE hit 200 damage in 0 - 1 second. Making your target unable to eat, pot or pray. Now lets say this guy was already range praying. You will still do an AVERAGE of 100 damage.

 

 

 

Now lets say that you are 10 friends. Even if everyone totally blow their special with minimal hits, like 5,5. Your opponent is still dead even if he have 99hp.

 

 

 

The whole concept of NEVER mis, and ALWAYS hit. Just seems very unbalanced for me. The Fact that not even the best armor in the game can give you a slight chance of defending agents the attack seems a little bit... hopeless.

 

 

 

I could say the same about 5 people with DDSes... And hitting 40-40 is VERY uncommon, you aren't likely to hit 20-20 consistently either. I think that a DDS would still hit close to this on occasion, and with bow you will hit a few 5-5s..

[alcoolj]

.. and 5 mates with dds on ONE person have a chance at losing? Come on now - give the poor ranger a chance will you. Surely they deserve to win by risking 5 7M items in wildy against one poor soul who runs into that particular team.

 

 

 

Why not line up 5 v 5, 5 with Scims and DDS against 5 dark bows. Who wins now? The melee group do, thats who - still think its overpowered?

[Silver_Corner]

I think the bow's special attack is too powerful in multi combat.

 

 

 

It owns melee'rs hardcore style.

 

 

 

I mean... It NEVER miss..

 

 

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

 

You can hit, but that does not mean you always hit high enough for a KO.

 

 

 

Lets say your max is 40. (making the max special 40,40 =80hp) (I have seen higher hits with the dark bow, so 40 is a quite realistic max hit, remember that we are using dragon arrows in my example, not bronze arrows)

 

 

 

Then your average hit with the special will be 20, 20.Giving 40 damage on average.

 

 

 

Five friends times average of 40 damage is 200 damage. That means if you have four friends, (5 total including yourself) you will on AVERAGE hit 200 damage in 0 - 1 second. Making your target unable to eat, pot or pray. Now lets say this guy was already range praying. You will still do an AVERAGE of 100 damage.

 

 

 

Now lets say that you are 10 friends. Even if everyone totally blow their special with minimal hits, like 5,5. Your opponent is still dead even if he have 99hp.

 

 

 

The whole concept of NEVER mis, and ALWAYS hit. Just seems very unbalanced for me. The Fact that not even the best armor in the game can give you a slight chance of defending agents the attack seems a little bit... hopeless.

 

 

 

Everyone who takes this literally is missing the point.

 

 

 

Think about it. You are completly basing your opinions on something that 1) Has not been tested 2) Is incorrect.

 

 

 

Let me show you what I mean.

 

 

 

You all say the bow can kill meleers easily with their speical, but you seam to be missunderstanding the special. Lets take a look at a similar special to show an example.

 

 

 

The Magic Long Bow:

 

 

 

This bow's special is a 100% hit. But yet your lucky to hit higher than a 7-10 on most of the hits.

 

 

 

Now the special on the Dark Bow is very similar. It is a 100% hit. But like Freesia commented... A 100% does NOT mean an huge double special.

 

 

 

You all forget.. All of the max specials we have seen so far have been taken at duel arena, or poh with people using no armor, and mostly low defence.

 

 

 

Of course this bow is going to hit hard with somone with no armor on. Now even though its a 100% hit, once you apply your opponents or monsters defence, your going to see a considerable drop in high hits.

 

 

 

This has led to what I can see as many people calling the bow "nerfed" already. They assume the bow to hit 100% as no armor exists like veracs special, when this is not the case. It hits 100% of the time, but your opponents stats still effect the stregth.

 

 

 

Speical effects 100% ACCURACY and +30% STR of the bow.

 

OPPONENTS armor DECRASES STR of the bow.

 

 

 

In turn, using this on higher level monsters and players wearing armor again, I point out you will abviously see a dramatic change in max hits.

 

 

 

As for the magers who complain about the new bow's ability to kill a mage.. lets take a look at the handy old triangle. Indeed it appears that *shock* range beats mage!?! How dare they!

 

 

 

Point being, mages so far have changed the pking rules by making a superclass of mage/str pures which defines "farcasting" as "noobish". This inturn causes the mages special of attacking from far away to be unbalaced or underpowered which they have done to themselves. This makes them not only weak to rangers now but meleers since by the "pking rules" they made up causes them to in range of melee targets while in mage robes.

 

 

 

Eh Didnt mean for that to be a rant, but I have a point....

 

 

 

The Dark bow has *Fixed* the triangle in which defence is now a asset in the wilderness. Rangers now have a superior advantage to mages and the mage/str superclass. Meleers have defence to absorb most of the rangers attacks so this poses little threat to that side of the triangle.

 

 

 

There is no underpower or overpowered skill now. Jagex does months of research on each update and they already knew how powerful the bow will be, and what it would effect.

 

 

 

Meleer's > Rangers > (True) Magers > Meleer's ...(ect,)

 

and

 

Meleer's + Rangers > Mage/Str Pures

 

 

 

The Triangle is Restored.

[XdomX]

Hello, im kingmerik888

 

 

 

I want YOUR opinion on the new bow!

 

many mages complain they want a new weap, or they are getting pwned too much by the two arrow and mass damage part. :evil:

 

 

 

all the rangers are celebrating, finally jagex listens to them and they get an update! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Myself, im too poor too afford it, im not mad at it or anything, im just mad at merchs selling for ~6.7 on forums :wink: damned merchs #-o

 

 

 

What do you think about the bow?

 

 

 

Range is supposed to own mage, it's the triangle.

[Adventurer]

 

Five friends in a multi combat zone using special. And you will KO anyone, even a mighty 99hp and 99 def guy in full granite. As the special hit trough anything.

 

 

 

Kind of an unrealistic scenario...eh? (Lone Melee in multi, team of rich rangers, etc).

 

 

 

As for my view, I think that the bow is like the Dragon Dagger for Range in a realistic situation (no pures, etc). It gives Range a KO ability with the special, but the normal firing speed is not very dangerous in comparison to something like a Magic Shortbow

[Tanner4560]

[Ice_and_Spec]

yea it owns i wish i could afford it but yea i wish a new mage wepon would come out

[Utopianflame]

The Magic Long Bow:

 

 

 

This bow's special is a 100% hit. But yet your lucky to hit higher than a 7-10 on most of the hits.

 

 

 

I can personally guarentee you that the magic long special does not have 100% accuracy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Speical effects 100% ACCURACY and +30% STR of the bow.

 

OPPONENTS armor DECRASES STR of the bow.

 

 

 

Based on the throwing knife bug and the KB I feel that the actual effect of the special attack is to re-roll any hit that was calculated as missing ( or possibly, replace any hit that was calculated as missing with the minimum allowed hit) and that your oppenents armor has the same effect as your range bonus, just acting in the opposite way.

 

 

 

Also the KB suggests that the extra damage isnt a fixed amount, rather that is rolled, but capped at 30/50%.

[truffoo]

Speical effects 100% ACCURACY and +30% STR of the bow.

 

OPPONENTS armor DECRASES STR of the bow.

 

I was wondering about this, whether armour just affects being hit or also how much you're hit.

 

 

 

The bow's special only negates your armour's protection against being hit, so the protection about the value of the hit is still in place. Therefore higher level armour will cause "worse" specials compared to low level armour.

[Fredz]

It seems people need a lecture in how Runescape combat system works. So here goes.

 

 

 

 

 

1. Attack:

 

Lets say you have 80 strength, giving you a max hit of 30, using weapon 'x'. Then lets say you get a insane boost to your attack level, giving you an attack level of 1000, (altho the max level in game is currently only 99.)

 

 

 

You would not hit constant 30's. You would just hit almost every time. You would still hit as many 4's 5's 6's and 15's as you would hit 30's.

 

 

 

Moral: Attack does not affect what you are hitting!

 

 

 

 

 

Now the same thing applies for rangers. If you make a hit, it is a hit. Its not like if you hit him, you will hit less damage on him because he use ultra range defense armor. A hit is a hit. And when you hit, the dice rolls. If your max is 30. You have the same chance of getting a 5 as a 30 hit. In this example you will therefore hit an AVERAGE of 15damage every time you hit.

 

 

 

Now fellow tip.it'ers. As you can see this new bow ALWAYS hit. Making it pretty easy math to determent your chances to survive if 5 rangers gang bang you in a multi combat zone, with the special at once. I believe I have seen a 41 as a max hit with the bow myself, making it a possible 81 damage a hit (81 / 2 = 41, avarage hit of special 41 damage, 41 / 2 = 20.5 average hit of each arrow in a pvp situation).

 

 

 

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Now for the DDS = Dark Bow hype.

 

 

 

Seriously, what kind of drugs are you all on?

 

 

 

Personally I'm 99 attack. And when I fight against other people in dragon/barrow armor I fail at least more than 60% time of my attacks.

 

 

 

My opponents also have the option to entangle me, or use ice barrage spell on me so I cant be able to get close to them. Making me hit nada.

 

 

 

With the bow however you can hit from a distance. A great distance actually with long range enabled for the first strike (special).

 

 

 

It also.... NEVER MISSES.. NEVER, EVER, Even if you are Saradomin with 5000 defence level and special super god armor with 10 0000 ranged defence.

 

 

 

The attack still hits, and if your max hit is 40, it hits with an average of 20,20 in one special attack.

 

 

 

Two friends, = 20,20,20,20 ~80 damage instantly on average

 

three friends, = 20,20,20,20,20,20 ~120 damage instantly on average

 

four friends, = 20,20,20,20,20,20,20,20 = ~160 damage on average..

 

 

 

Now you can continue the math if you want to.

 

- Take care

 

 

 

Play smart, play safe.

[DarkDude]

The bow DOES NOT hit an average of 20, no idea where you're pulling that from.

 

 

 

When you special you'll always hit atleast 5/5 (8/8 dragon), this is equivilent to a 0/0 and will happen A LOT when facing people with range defence.