+1 ^^^^^^^

Green Dragons:

 

 

 

* Found in the Wilderness

 

* Very easy to kill

 

* Provides decent experience at mid to mid-high levels (70-95)

 

* Found in the Wilderness (reiterated because that makes them that much more dangerous)

 

* If you don't like the Wild, you're not going to like Green Dragons

 

 

 

Brutal Green Dragons:

 

 

 

* Found in the Mithril Dragon's Cave (an agility shortcut away from Tree Gnome Stronghold)

 

* Drops two Green Dragonhides instead of one

 

* Uses fire breath and magical attacks, both of which are easily repelled

 

* Surprisingly easy to kill for their level; with the proper equipment you can last easily an hour and a half down there

 

* Outside of the Wilderness, which makes it a "joy" for lower level crafters to gather hides

 

* More hp = more experience = better choice for a "Green Dragon" task

 

* Surprisingly decent drops, some players report Dragon Mediums, and I can attest to the number of decent runes

 

 

 

Black dragons: level 227

 

Brutal green dragons: level 227

 

 

 

Black dragons: don't even need an antifire shield, can use hally

 

Brutal green dragons: instant death without antifire shield

 

 

 

Black dragons: easy to kill from safe spot, no distance firebreath, no need for antifires

 

Brutal green dragons: no safe spot, distance firebreath, antifire pots mandatory

 

 

 

Black dragons: no mage attack

 

Brutal green dragons: mage attack

 

 

 

Black dragons: no need for prayer or food to kill

 

Brutal green dragons: need prayer or lots of food

 

 

 

Black dragons: easily poisoned so they die faster

 

Brutal green dragons: immune to poison

 

 

 

Black dragons: are supposedly "hard" so they drop draconic visage

 

Brutal green dragons: no draconic visage.

 

 

 

HUH?!

 

 

 

1. If pures and PKing have proven to us anything, even the KBD himself, then levels don't give an exact implication of how powerful something is.

 

2. The word "Dragon" should automatically be associated with "Anti-Dragon Shield". In my opinion, halberding dragons admits defeat.

 

3. So what if you can't safe spot Brutal Greens? Is a level 227 dragon supposed to be 'safe' by any stretch of the imagination?

 

4. Jagex said themselves that they were older than regular dragons, so they knew a few things. Try to pay attention.

 

5. This is an anomaly, but one that shouldn't be bothered nearly as much as you think. Stronger/older/wiser NPCs should require more resources and skill to kill them.

 

6. Immune to poison? C'mon now, these things are so brittle when it comes to Adamant bolts, you won't need it. If you whip them or use any sort of slashing weapon, they're rather brittle in those areas too.

 

7. I'm not really bothered by no Visage. It's not like I'd expect it from a Green Dragon anyway, regardless of how powerful it is.

There not illogical in fact I like them. I love slaying dragons and new challenges are always accepted by me. Fair enough its expensive with the food but I doubt it will be as crowded as blue dragons and there not in wildy like green. There also very easy to get to. As for the drops boo hoo they don't drop the visage. In fact its good news as no one will be there hunting for it.

 

As for the magic attack its about time we have a monster to fight who can hit you even with prayer and anti drag potions. It also stops low level safe spotters from killing something way out of their leage.

 

 

 

-Rohanlord-

i agree, the green dragons probably killed tons of people while i was down there, and they are useless to kill. i would rather go to the green dragon pit, and kill them there where it takes far less to kill them, and you can get those two hides 10x faster than killing a single brutal. I also would rather face pkers than those brutal dragons, since they are the real only threat to dragon slayers in the wild.. then tele to edge, and be back slaying dragons within minutes of banking

And this is when everyone stops bickering and whining over the update. Stop acting like spoiled children, people have wanted a dragon full helm for ages and now you have it. As for the Brutal Green Dragons, they drop 2 d hides, also, they're simply green dragons that are older than the others. And no one said you had to go fight them, so shut up already. It really makes me angry, cause you know what? If you were OLD ENOUGH you could let's see... GO WORK for Jagex! Yeah work for Jagex! Cause that'd make everything so much better for everyone else! I bet there's lots of people who love this update, I for one am neutral but really, stop whining so much. As a wise tipiter once said: "How many Runescapers does it take to screw in a light bulb? It takes 5,000. 1 to screw in the light bulb, and 4,999 to complain about the new lightbulb."

 

 

 

Pathetic.

 

 

 

-Wolfy

And this is when everyone stops bickering and whining over the update. Stop acting like spoiled children, people have wanted a dragon full helm for ages and now you have it. As for the Brutal Green Dragons, they drop 2 d hides, also, they're simply green dragons that are older than the others. And no one said you had to go fight them, so shut up already. It really makes me angry, cause you know what? If you were OLD ENOUGH you could let's see... GO WORK for Jagex! Yeah work for Jagex! Cause that'd make everything so much better for everyone else! I bet there's lots of people who love this update, I for one am neutral but really, stop whining so much. As a wise tipiter once said: "How many Runescapers does it take to screw in a light bulb? It takes 5,000. 1 to screw in the light bulb, and 4,999 to complain about the new lightbulb."

 

 

 

Pathetic.

 

 

 

-Wolfy

 

 

 

I agree completely

umm... so?! they are BRUTAL, they are badder than their weaker green dragon brothers, they can be hard to kill they are new so they get all the newest stuff. with the black dragons they cant change what they atarted with in attack wise. they are for the very higher lvls, with great experience killing dragons.

If brutal green dragons are this hard... imagine a brutal Black Dragon, or a brutal KBD :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

Amazing how many people have completely, totally missed the point.

 

 

 

I'll try to spell it out more simply.

 

 

 

1. Draconic visages are supposed to be dropped by the most difficult dragons.

 

 

 

2. Black dragons drop draconic visages.

 

 

 

3. Brutal green dragons are more difficult to kill than black dragons.

 

 

 

Ergo, brutal green dragons should -- if Jagex employed any sort of reasonable logic -- also drop visages.

 

 

 

~q

Amazing how many people have completely, totally missed the point.

 

 

 

I'll try to spell it out more simply.

 

 

 

1. Draconic visages are supposed to be dropped by the most difficult dragons.

 

 

 

2. Black dragons drop draconic visages.

 

 

 

3. Brutal green dragons are more difficult to kill than black dragons.

 

 

 

Ergo, brutal green dragons should -- if Jagex employed any sort of reasonable logic -- also drop visages.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

Go kill a Black Dragon with adamant bolts and you'll see that it isn't as easy as it looks on paper. Then go kill a Brutal Green Dragon, and you'll realize that it's very easy to kill tons with 500 or so.

 

 

 

Black dragons were meant to drop visages. Just because the black dragon and the Brutal Green are the same level does not make them the same dragon.

Amazing how many people have completely, totally missed the point.

 

 

 

I'll try to spell it out more simply.

 

 

 

1. Draconic visages are supposed to be dropped by the most difficult dragons.

 

 

 

2. Black dragons drop draconic visages.

 

 

 

3. Brutal green dragons are more difficult to kill than black dragons.

 

 

 

Ergo, brutal green dragons should -- if Jagex employed any sort of reasonable logic -- also drop visages.

 

 

 

~q

 

barbarians and kalphite queen both drop sheield left half, but one is lvl 18, and the other is level 333x2- is that logical? rs is not based on logic, and brutal greens are easyer to kill than black dragons.

And this is when everyone stops bickering and whining over the update. Stop acting like spoiled children, people have wanted a dragon full helm for ages and now you have it. As for the Brutal Green Dragons, they drop 2 d hides, also, they're simply green dragons that are older than the others. And no one said you had to go fight them, so shut up already. It really makes me angry, cause you know what? If you were OLD ENOUGH you could let's see... GO WORK for Jagex! Yeah work for Jagex! Cause that'd make everything so much better for everyone else! I bet there's lots of people who love this update, I for one am neutral but really, stop whining so much. As a wise tipiter once said: "How many Runescapers does it take to screw in a light bulb? It takes 5,000. 1 to screw in the light bulb, and 4,999 to complain about the new lightbulb."

 

 

 

Pathetic.

 

 

 

-Wolfy

 

 

 

 

 

This is the best response I've seen yet wolfy, you hit the nail on the head.

 

I would have said the exact same thing, and now I don't need to.

I found black dragons more dangerous they just seemed to hit me harder with their melee.

 

Brutals are easy to kill if you just range with mage prayer :XD:

 

Go kill a Black Dragon with adamant bolts and you'll see that it isn't as easy as it looks on paper. Then go kill a Brutal Green Dragon, and you'll realize that it's very easy to kill tons with 500 or so.

 

 

LOL

 

I've ranged HUNDREDS of black dragons. I was using emerald, addy, ruby and hunter bolts before this update, when nobody even knew what they were.

 

 

 

I literally used over 10,000 kebbit bolts at the black dragons.

 

 

 

They are trivially simple. Poison with emerald, switch to addy or kebbit bolts, finish them off. No prayer required, don't even need the dragonfire shield! I use my unholy book for a big +8 ranged bonus.

 

 

 

You can camp there ALL DAY never needing ANY food or anything.

 

 

 

The brutal green dragons are immune to poison. And they REQUIRE PRAYER to kill.

 

 

 

Anyone who can't see the difference in cost and difficulty between black dragons and brutal greens simply has no clue at all about this issue whatsoever.

 

 

 

PS. I've seen level 90's hallying black dragons. Ever seen anyone doing that at brutal greens? Right. Think about it.

 

 

 

~q

 

barbarians and kalphite queen both drop sheield left half, but one is lvl 18, and the other is level 333x2

 

 

 

The shield half was never portrayed as something that was only dropped by the strongest monsters.

 

 

 

The visage WAS.

 

 

 

~q

 

barbarians and kalphite queen both drop sheield left half, but one is lvl 18, and the other is level 333x2

 

 

 

The shield half was never portrayed as something that was only dropped by the strongest monsters.

 

 

 

The visage WAS.

 

 

 

~q

 

still, what people are trying to achieve is getting brutals to drop visages. why? because brutals have alot less def and hp then blacks, so you can kill them alot faster if you dont take the hides up. Brutals arent strong enaugh to drop visages, and jagex was right to not make them drop it.

There's Jagex thinking for ya. :?

 

barbarians and kalphite queen both drop sheield left half, but one is lvl 18, and the other is level 333x2

 

 

 

The shield half was never portrayed as something that was only dropped by the strongest monsters.

 

 

 

The visage WAS.

 

 

 

~q

 

still, what people are trying to achieve is getting brutals to drop visages. why? because brutals have alot less def and hp then blacks, so you can kill them alot faster if you dont take the hides up. Brutals arent strong enaugh to drop visages, and jagex was right to not make them drop it.

 

 

 

Poppycock. They are NOT a lot faster to kill.

 

 

 

More to the point, there are far fewer people who can kill them and it costs MONEY to kill them.

 

 

 

I just hallied some brutal greens for fun. Try it, then go see how many people are doing that with blacks.

 

 

 

Try camping at the greens ranging without prayer or food like people do at the blacks.

 

 

 

~q

 

barbarians and kalphite queen both drop sheield left half, but one is lvl 18, and the other is level 333x2

 

 

 

The shield half was never portrayed as something that was only dropped by the strongest monsters.

 

 

 

The visage WAS.

 

 

 

~q

 

still, what people are trying to achieve is getting brutals to drop visages. why? because brutals have alot less def and hp then blacks, so you can kill them alot faster if you dont take the hides up. Brutals arent strong enaugh to drop visages, and jagex was right to not make them drop it.

 

 

 

that blacks drop visage doesnt say anything... and they can just give the greens a chance os 1 to 2000 or more... that it does drop visage doesnt mean youll get verry rich verry soon from it...

Green Dragons:

 

 

 

* Found in the Wilderness

 

* Very easy to kill

 

* Provides decent experience at mid to mid-high levels (70-95)

 

* Found in the Wilderness (reiterated because that makes them that much more dangerous)

 

* If you don't like the Wild, you're not going to like Green Dragons

 

 

 

Brutal Green Dragons:

 

 

 

* Found in the Mithril Dragon's Cave (an agility shortcut away from Tree Gnome Stronghold)

 

* Drops two Green Dragonhides instead of one

 

* Uses fire breath and magical attacks, both of which are easily repelled

 

* Surprisingly easy to kill for their level; with the proper equipment you can last easily an hour and a half down there

 

* Outside of the Wilderness, which makes it a "joy" for lower level crafters to gather hides

 

* More hp = more experience = better choice for a "Green Dragon" task

 

* Surprisingly decent drops, some players report Dragon Mediums, and I can attest to the number of decent runes

 

 

 

Black dragons: level 227

 

Brutal green dragons: level 227

 

 

 

Black dragons: don't even need an antifire shield, can use hally

 

Brutal green dragons: instant death without antifire shield

 

 

 

Black dragons: easy to kill from safe spot, no distance firebreath, no need for antifires

 

Brutal green dragons: no safe spot, distance firebreath, antifire pots mandatory

 

 

 

Black dragons: no mage attack

 

Brutal green dragons: mage attack

 

 

 

Black dragons: no need for prayer or food to kill

 

Brutal green dragons: need prayer or lots of food

 

 

 

Black dragons: easily poisoned so they die faster

 

Brutal green dragons: immune to poison

 

 

 

Black dragons: are supposedly "hard" so they drop draconic visage

 

Brutal green dragons: no draconic visage.

 

 

 

HUH?!

 

 

 

1. If pures and PKing have proven to us anything, even the KBD himself, then levels don't give an exact implication of how powerful something is.

 

2. The word "Dragon" should automatically be associated with "Anti-Dragon Shield". In my opinion, halberding dragons admits defeat.

 

3. So what if you can't safe spot Brutal Greens? Is a level 227 dragon supposed to be 'safe' by any stretch of the imagination?

 

4. Jagex said themselves that they were older than regular dragons, so they knew a few things. Try to pay attention.

 

5. This is an anomaly, but one that shouldn't be bothered nearly as much as you think. Stronger/older/wiser NPCs should require more resources and skill to kill them.

 

6. Immune to poison? C'mon now, these things are so brittle when it comes to Adamant bolts, you won't need it. If you whip them or use any sort of slashing weapon, they're rather brittle in those areas too.

 

7. I'm not really bothered by no Visage. It's not like I'd expect it from a Green Dragon anyway, regardless of how powerful it is.

 

 

 

i agree with you Makoto_the_Phoenix =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Amazing how many people have completely, totally missed the point.

 

 

 

I'll try to spell it out more simply.

 

 

 

1. Draconic visages are supposed to be dropped by the most difficult dragons.

 

 

 

2. Black dragons drop draconic visages.

 

 

 

3. Brutal green dragons are more difficult to kill than black dragons.

 

 

 

Ergo, brutal green dragons should -- if Jagex employed any sort of reasonable logic -- also drop visages.

 

 

 

~q

 

you missed the ponit it dose not matter okay if you are mad then don't kill them

 

barbarians and kalphite queen both drop sheield left half, but one is lvl 18, and the other is level 333x2

 

 

 

The shield half was never portrayed as something that was only dropped by the strongest monsters.

 

 

 

The visage WAS.

 

 

 

~q

 

still, what people are trying to achieve is getting brutals to drop visages. why? because brutals have alot less def and hp then blacks, so you can kill them alot faster if you dont take the hides up. Brutals arent strong enaugh to drop visages, and jagex was right to not make them drop it.

 

 

 

Poppycock. They are NOT a lot faster to kill.

 

 

 

More to the point, there are far fewer people who can kill them and it costs MONEY to kill them.

 

 

 

I just hallied some brutal greens for fun. Try it, then go see how many people are doing that with blacks.

 

 

 

Try camping at the greens ranging without prayer or food like people do at the blacks.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

Are you still trying to compare Brutal Green Dragons to the Black Dragon? That's like comparing the KBD to a Red Dragon - one of them is obviously going to be harder to beat.

 

 

 

Also, at the end of the day, the Brutal Green Dragon is still just a Green Dragon - doesn't matter if that dragon's level 227 or 79, it's still green. You arguing that a Green Dragon (regardless of whether or not it is Brutal) should drop a Visage is similar to arguing that the rarity of 3rd Age armor should be increased.

 

 

 

And before you go and tell us that a 227 dragon without a visage drop is a waste of time, consider this: I'd much sooner go to a non-Wilderness place to gather my dragonhides or train than the Wilderness. If you don't like the Brutal Greens, by all means stop going there and think of something else to train on.

 

 

 

that blacks drop visage doesnt say anything... and they can just give the greens a chance os 1 to 2000 or more... that it does drop visage doesnt mean youll get verry rich verry soon from it...

 

 

 

I never said anything about wanting to be rich.

 

 

 

I said that the brutal greens are more difficult than the blacks, and since the MAIN criterion Jagex used for the visage drop was difficulty, they should drop it as well.

 

 

 

~q

 

Are you still trying to compare Brutal Green Dragons to the Black Dragon?

 

 

That's the whole point of the thread. Is there some reason I shouldn't be, just because a few individuals are too dense to understand or stay on the topic?

 

 

That's like comparing the KBD to a Red Dragon - one of them is obviously going to be harder to beat.

 

 

No, it's not like that at all.

 

 

 

It would be like Jagex deciding to make red dragons drop the visage and not blacks. In other words: illogical and stupid.

 

 

You arguing that a Green Dragon (regardless of whether or not it is Brutal) should drop a Visage is similar to arguing that the rarity of 3rd Age armor should be increased.

 

 

No it's not, in any way, shape or form. Don't make analogies if you don't understand how to construct them properly.

 

 

And before you go and tell us that a 227 dragon without a visage drop is a waste of time

 

 

I never said that.

 

 

If you don't like the Brutal Greens, by all means stop going there and think of something else to train on.

 

 

 

This thread is pointing out Jagex's illogical stance. If you don't like the thread, then by all means stop coming here and think of some other thread to post on.

 

 

 

~q

I thought about it and your soooooooo wrong qeltar..... They are merely more powerful versions of a green dragon. They where once green dragons that just became more powerful. So in essence its almost the same as taking a green dragon and rasing its lvl to 227.