Who's To Blame?

[Jimmyw3000]

The victim. Scamming (In runescape) is basically abusing the ignorance and stupidity of the victim and 5 year old story cant really relate here as the 5 year old went with him to get sum sweets for free and not in exchange for cash. The scammer didn't trade and swap the sweets for less sweets at the last second.

 

The way the runescape trade works is that the victim has to be smart enough to notice a change in the numbers and most 13 year olds and older will see that.

 

If you dont and your not 13 or older, it's your own fault for ignoring the rules. If you are 13 or older, well I give up on you.

[llcoolguy972]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Soulthresher]

Really, every party involved is to blame. Jagex for allowing scamming possible, the scammer for scamming, and the victim for being so gullible.

[ortsu]

When people are naive, and trust someone without reason to do so, then cheaters can use their deceits with success.

 

If you doubt everyone until proven trustwothy, and a bit even after then, you cannot be scammed or cheaten.

 

Rs is a place where honesty and trust is a limited resource, so id say that the fault falls on both the victim and the cheater.

 

(Btw i think that this works also in rl, but i am a cynical man :? )

[Berrakus]

You cant con the straight man.

 

 

 

cons only work because they play on peoples greed and deceitfulness.

 

When I see a level 20 saying "rune scim. 20k!", I am trying to take advantage of him as much as he ends up taking advantage of me by selling me a mith one.

 

If I wasnt greedy, and was willing to pay the fair market price, I wouldnt have gotten sucked into the con. Works in real life too. You cant con an honest man..

 

 

 

Nigerian emails, stuff like that... people want money for nothing, and are tricked into giving their money for nothing.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. The first time I got scammed was when I was in Edgeville and someone asked me to take them to the Monastery. I like to help people, so I took him (in the full rune that I had just bought), and got maged to death as soon as I entered the wildy.

[Lefke123]

Society.

 

blame everything on society

 

 

 

if it wasnt for society, we wouldnt even have scammers! i mean, society forces people to get better stuff all the time, and as fast as possible... also, you need to have atleast 10 drag chains to have a social state according to society... so how will you get that before dieing? best of all is to work for it, but then you have people that want to get it fast by scamming

 

the person thats accepting thinks the same, he wants to get his hands on as much money as possible too, to get a higher social state... so he blindly accepts, without discussing with his friends thinking that its a fair deal

 

 

 

\/ conclusion

 

blame it on society

[chase_cool7]

I blame violent video games, SouthPark and Marilin Manson :shame:

[holylight100]

When a player deceives another player to gain items/passwords, who do you believe is to blame for this. Is it the scammer for attempting to steal something which belongs to the other person, or the other person for being too gullable or too silly to check their trade screens?

 

 

 

Discuss away. :P

 

 

 

My personal opinion is that both of them are to blame, if the scammer had not attempted to interfer with the other player, then nothing would have happened. Though if the other player hadn't been so uncautious then they could have avoided losing the items. Though most the blame rests with the scammer inmy verdict. :-k

 

 

 

I would say it is MOSTLY the scammer's fault (Ignoring the rape analogy in the 2/3rd post) but also some blame lies with the victem (I can never spell that word right) for falling into the trap. A PERFECT example of this would be someone selling something such as a (noted) Rune Battle Axe for a low price (10k or so) some person figuring it's a good deal offers the 10k, the scammer "accidentally" declines, retrades you offer the 10k he offers a (noted) Iron Battle Axe and way back when you couldn't tell the difference, you rush through the trade and BAM your scammed. Now it's your fault for not checking the secound trade screen (before the new "trade was modified" thing was added or something this was fairly common) But fault also lies with the scammer for trying it.

 

 

 

Sorry if that example was already offered. Didn't read the whole thread.

[qeltar]

Anyone with any sense of decency and fair play doesn't even have to ask these sorts of questions.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter if the person who gets scammed "should have known better" -- the one scamming is still committing fraud and should be punished.

 

 

 

It took us weeks to convince Jagex of this when they pulled that idiotic "luring is okay" nonsense earlier this year.

 

 

 

~q

[underu2000]

He should take responsibility for educating himself about what trimmed armour is, and how one would go about getting it. The same way as you wouldn't go to a foreign country without doing some basic research about local customs, exchange rates etc.

 

Apparently you didn't read my quote properly. :wall: I said "not aware of the trimming aspect", that means, doesn't know what trimming is, what the benefit is, but just that someone offered to do it for free. Technically he wasn't taking advantage of anyone, just accepting the "gift".

 

Put urself into the example. If someone offered u an unknown item for free, wudnt u take it, useful or not? I know it isnt the same as handing over ur armor, but it wud be the same to a newbie.

 

 

 

Not looking for an easy profit? Just trying to get one of the most desirable items in the game for a bargain price without putting in the hard work that you would normally have to in order to obtain such an item.... No... not looking for an easy profit there at all. :roll:

 

How would a newbie know anything about the price of something he doesn't know? All he knows at this point is that its free. So he probably thinks it isn't worth that much time and effort. Yes, he does not expect any profit because he isn't aware of the value of trimmed armor.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Were all to blame.

I agree. The scammer because of the scam, the scammed because they fell for it, and everybody else for not informing the scammed of the scam.

 

 

 

However, the one most to blame would be the scammer for their under-handed tactics.

[Kill_Thomas9]

When a player deceives another player to gain items/passwords, who do you believe is to blame for this. Is it the scammer for attempting to steal something which belongs to the other person, or the other person for being too gullable or too silly to check their trade screens?

 

 

 

Discuss away. :P

 

 

 

My personal opinion is that both of them are to blame, if the scammer had not attempted to interfer with the other player, then nothing would have happened. Though if the other player hadn't been so uncautious then they could have avoided losing the items. Though most the blame rests with the scammer inmy verdict. :-k

 

 

 

The person who gets scammed is a moron for being scammed, and the scammer is a self-centered moron for scamming. Question answered.

[ddaanniiellh]

Partially the scammer and partially the scammed's fault.

 

 

 

The Scammer for tricking people and the scammed for being stupid and falling for it (Including myself occassionally...with late late night trading...too tired to actually think, such as paying 300ea for willow logs -.-).

 

~Ddaannieillh

[Blaze_9555]

...there is already a thread like this.

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=670 ... sc&start=0

[Platinum_Myr]

You'll never fix the problem by blaming victims. You won't fix the problem by teaching everyone perfectly. You have to remove the scammers in the first place. You can halt the problem and slow it down by knowing how to avoid it, but there will always be scammers. They aren't that easy to simply wish away...

[Killy_the_Kid]

The answer is so obvious you could swallow it.

[Dragon_lord]

It is the scammer's fault.

 

If you're new to MMORPGs you didn't know about it.

[splatmster24]

there is no correct answer.

[HellsBells]

The person that was scammed. Before clicking through Tutorial Island like a maniac he should have at least read the knowledge base...Which mentions stuff like that.

[bb_bart]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

I was JUST gonna reply, but then I saw raped in here and read it. Well done, friend. Well done.

 

 

 

I really blame whoever falls for it, now, at least. There's SO MUCH anti scamming measures now. Long ago, it was less the scammed guy's fault, but you're always to blame for your errors.

[Rainy_Day]

there is no correct answer.

 

 

 

How-so? Surely there is more blame to rest with either side of the party rather than equal blame? :o

[Samittaja]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

the 5 year old

[Cha0sx]

It's the scammers! 90% of the blame is on them, maybe 10% to the other person. But things happen ya know, and criminals shouldn't get away with stuff just cause the other person wasn't prepared for it. Just like IRL.

[devast8u]

Well, I going to have to resort to a cliche, but it's suitable for this question:

 

 

 

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

[Soulthresher]

 

It took us weeks to convince Jagex of this when they pulled that idiotic "luring is okay" nonsense earlier this year.

 

 

 

 

Luring is ok because if you had the IQ of an old gym sock you wouldn't fall for it.