Who's To Blame?

[Rainy_Day]

When a player deceives another player to gain items/passwords, who do you believe is to blame for this. Is it the scammer for attempting to steal something which belongs to the other person, or the other person for being too gullable or too silly to check their trade screens?

 

 

 

Discuss away. :P

 

 

 

My personal opinion is that both of them are to blame, if the scammer had not attempted to interfer with the other player, then nothing would have happened. Though if the other player hadn't been so uncautious then they could have avoided losing the items. Though most the blame rests with the scammer inmy verdict. :-k

[wild_goat_14]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

[Harrington]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

In your analogy, you could also argue that the parent is party to blame for not teaching their child to avoid strangers. i.e. Jagex not taking proper measures. ;) Or the penal/justice system for not enforcing harsh enough punishments to deter said stranger from such an act (that would be some Internet commission in your analogy).

 

 

 

It's all relative. But the majority of the blame rests with the scammer/stranger

[kemikalkadet]

pointless question really, of course its the scammer. If you're new to mmorpg's which, lets face it, a lot of the newer rs players are, you don't expect scamming to take place.. i know i was shocked when i first got scammed. I quickly became careful of scammers though.

[Giordano]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

Add parents telling the kid not to go with strangers, and various school-activities about not going with strangers to the scene. Now whos to blame?

 

 

 

For me, its the idiotic person who fell for it. Sure if it's the first time you got scammed its ok. I've gotten scammed once and learned my lesson. I never got scammed again. If you get scamed 2, 3, or even 14 times then you are the one to blame.

[wild_goat_14]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

In your analogy, you could also argue that the parent is party to blame for not teaching their child to avoid strangers. i.e. Jagex not taking proper measures. ;) Or the penal/justice system for not enforcing harsh enough punishments to deter said stranger from such an act (that would be some Internet commission in your analogy).

 

 

 

It's all relative. But the majority of the blame rests with the scammer/stranger

 

 

 

Good point. Still, the point I was trying to get across is that you can't equally blame the scammer/scammed.

[Albel]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

In your analogy, you could also argue that the parent is party to blame for not teaching their child to avoid strangers. i.e. Jagex not taking proper measures. ;) Or the penal/justice system for not enforcing harsh enough punishments to deter said stranger from such an act (that would be some Internet commission in your analogy).

 

 

 

It's all relative. But the majority of the blame rests with the scammer/stranger

 

 

 

Good point. Still, the point I was trying to get across is that you can't equally blame the scammer/scammed.

 

 

 

IMO...its both the scammer and the person scamed falt. The scammers falt by doing it...and the scamed person by falling for the scam.

[wild_goat_14]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

In your analogy, you could also argue that the parent is party to blame for not teaching their child to avoid strangers. i.e. Jagex not taking proper measures. ;) Or the penal/justice system for not enforcing harsh enough punishments to deter said stranger from such an act (that would be some Internet commission in your analogy).

 

 

 

It's all relative. But the majority of the blame rests with the scammer/stranger

 

 

 

Good point. Still, the point I was trying to get across is that you can't equally blame the scammer/scammed.

 

 

 

IMO...its both the scammer and the person scamed falt. The scammers falt by doing it...and the scamed person by falling for the scam.

 

 

 

You can't be saying it is equally each's fault? If there was no scammer, there would be nothing to fall for. Some of the blame is to the scammed, but most is to the scammer.

[Albel]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

In your analogy, you could also argue that the parent is party to blame for not teaching their child to avoid strangers. i.e. Jagex not taking proper measures. ;) Or the penal/justice system for not enforcing harsh enough punishments to deter said stranger from such an act (that would be some Internet commission in your analogy).

 

 

 

It's all relative. But the majority of the blame rests with the scammer/stranger

 

 

 

Good point. Still, the point I was trying to get across is that you can't equally blame the scammer/scammed.

 

 

 

IMO...its both the scammer and the person scamed falt. The scammers falt by doing it...and the scamed person by falling for the scam.

 

 

 

You can't be saying it is equally each's fault? If there was no scammer, there would be nothing to fall for. Some of the blame is to the scammed, but most is to the scammer.

 

Ok so what u r saying is that...its like 75% of falt goes to the scammer and 25% goes to the scmaed person. You do have a point on that...

[Adventurer]

Ack, a quote pyramid >.<

 

 

 

I would say that, even if the scamee was warned, being scammed for the first time could be naiveness. If he kept getting scammed, that would mean that he is a fool.

 

 

 

Oh, and the 5 year old kid analogy doesn't work that well. 5 year olds aren't that great at making decisions, you know?

[Lenin64]

Ack, a quote pyramid >.<

 

 

 

I would say that, even if the scamee was warned, being scammed for the first time could be naiveness. If he kept getting scammed, that would mean that he is a fool.

 

 

 

Oh, and the 5 year old kid analogy doesn't work that well. 5 year olds aren't that great at making decisions, you know?

 

perhaps they arent, but 5 year olds are playing Runescape...

[Bobbington]

It's 100% with the scammer, without them.... there would have been no scam. Sure the victim should have known better; but it's not really his/her fault that they don't! there is always a point in life before we learn somthing.

 

 

 

You dont blame the 2 year old for not knowing the alphabet.

 

 

 

Most players in this game, no matter how small have probaly fallen from atleast one scam in their time, if you keep falling for the scam it slowly become more of a personal issue for you.... but the blame always rests with the scammer.

[meb]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

The parents.

 

 

 

Who's to blame? The guy that gave away the pass and the scamer. But in the first place the guy who gave away his pass. Is he [developmentally delayed]ed or just that gullible?

[Rainy_Day]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

In your analogy, you could also argue that the parent is party to blame for not teaching their child to avoid strangers. i.e. Jagex not taking proper measures. ;) Or the penal/justice system for not enforcing harsh enough punishments to deter said stranger from such an act (that would be some Internet commission in your analogy).

 

 

 

It's all relative. But the majority of the blame rests with the scammer/stranger

 

 

 

Good point. Still, the point I was trying to get across is that you can't equally blame the scammer/scammed.

 

 

 

IMO...its both the scammer and the person scamed falt. The scammers falt by doing it...and the scamed person by falling for the scam.

 

 

 

You can't be saying it is equally each's fault? If there was no scammer, there would be nothing to fall for. Some of the blame is to the scammed, but most is to the scammer.

 

 

 

Edited my first post, didn't go in depth enough to explain that I thought more blame was left in the hands of the Scammer.

 

 

 

pointless question really, of course its the scammer. If you're new to mmorpg's which, lets face it, a lot of the newer rs players are, you don't expect scamming to take place.. i know i was shocked when i first got scammed. I quickly became careful of scammers though.

 

 

 

But to be fair, you should be weary just in-case. Granted some people might be new and might not have learnt about scamming through RuneScape, but many others, whilst knowingabout scamming, still let themselves get scammed. So they deserve partial blame for not looking/paying attention at the trade screen.

[Italian5kamikaze]

Were all to blame.

[bbalking]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

You idiot how can you compare these 2 scenarios?! And this game is supposed to be played by 13 year olds+ which obviously is not. Anyway I would blame the idiot who gave his password away because i detest people who don't possess common sense.

[wild_goat_14]

Ack, a quote pyramid >.<

 

 

 

I would say that, even if the scamee was warned, being scammed for the first time could be naiveness. If he kept getting scammed, that would mean that he is a fool.

 

 

 

Oh, and the 5 year old kid analogy doesn't work that well. 5 year olds aren't that great at making decisions, you know?

 

 

 

Neither are people who haven't played for long.

[dwarfie76]

It's the fault of the person being scammed for not educating themselves to a point where they can be active in an online game without losing their shirt. It may sound harsh but the notion of scamming people out of their items has been around since online games were nothing more than glorified multi-user telnet sessions.

 

 

 

If I walk up to you on the street and say "Here, I'll give you these fantastic leaves for your wallet and watch." and we make the trade, I've committed absolutely no crime whatsoever. Why would it be any different just because we're playing a computer game?

[Utopianflame]

The scammer is, there is no excuse for their greed.

 

 

 

Much as there is no cure for stupidity.

[Paddeeh]

Its all about misinformation surely, the scammer is using it to his advantage in this senario as much as the victim obviously has limited common sence.

[bruneo]

You cant con the straight man.

 

 

 

cons only work because they play on peoples greed and deceitfulness.

 

When I see a level 20 saying "rune scim. 20k!", I am trying to take advantage of him as much as he ends up taking advantage of me by selling me a mith one.

 

If I wasnt greedy, and was willing to pay the fair market price, I wouldnt have gotten sucked into the con. Works in real life too. You cant con an honest man..

 

 

 

Nigerian emails, stuff like that... people want money for nothing, and are tricked into giving their money for nothing.

[BBC3]

A 5 year old is walking in a local park. Some stranger comes up and offers him ice cream if he comes along. The 5 year old follows, is taken into a dark alley, is tied up and gagged, thrown in the back on a vehicle, taken to a lake in the middle of the night, is raped, murdered, and thrown in the lake.

 

 

 

Who is to blame, the 5 year old or the stranger?

 

 

 

thats like saying the scammed person is 5 years old, or a normal age with the scammer being jagex staff with the ability to make you force accept.

 

 

 

if the person is even 13 year old+ im guessing you should be smart enough to not be scammed, considering you are awake and not dyslexic.

[underu2000]

You cant con the straight man.

 

 

 

cons only work because they play on peoples greed and deceitfulness.

 

When I see a level 20 saying "rune scim. 20k!", I am trying to take advantage of him as much as he ends up taking advantage of me by selling me a mith one.

 

If I wasnt greedy, and was willing to pay the fair market price, I wouldnt have gotten sucked into the con. Works in real life too. You cant con an honest man..

 

 

 

Nigerian emails, stuff like that... people want money for nothing, and are tricked into giving their money for nothing.

 

Good point, that. But it becomes a little tricker in runescape.

 

Let's say some newbie is offered by a higher level to trim his armor for 100gp, not aware of either the trimming aspect or how much he would pay even if it was possible. In this case, the player honestly has no idea he would be scammed, neither is he looking for an easy profit.

 

You can mold such a situation for many scams.

 

In short, in a lot of cases the blame is nearly completely on the scammer.

[dwarfie76]

Let's say some newbie is offered by a higher level to trim his armor for 100gp, not aware of either the trimming aspect or how much he would pay even if it was possible.

 

He should take responsibility for educating himself about what trimmed armour is, and how one would go about getting it. The same way as you wouldn't go to a foreign country without doing some basic research about local customs, exchange rates etc.

 

 

 

In this case, the player honestly has no idea he would be scammed, neither is he looking for an easy profit.

 

Not looking for an easy profit? Just trying to get one of the most desirable items in the game for a bargain price without putting in the hard work that you would normally have to in order to obtain such an item.... No... not looking for an easy profit there at all. :roll:

 

 

 

Anyone who doesn't have the IQ to realise that if you could get your armour trimmed for 100gp then everyone would be walking around in trimmed armour shouldn't be playing the game. And if they continue to play the game knowing how utterly stupid they are, then they have no-one to blame when they lose their items than themselves.

[Rainy_Day]

You cant con the straight man.

 

 

 

cons only work because they play on peoples greed and deceitfulness.

 

When I see a level 20 saying "rune scim. 20k!", I am trying to take advantage of him as much as he ends up taking advantage of me by selling me a mith one.

 

If I wasnt greedy, and was willing to pay the fair market price, I wouldnt have gotten sucked into the con. Works in real life too. You cant con an honest man..

 

 

 

Nigerian emails, stuff like that... people want money for nothing, and are tricked into giving their money for nothing.

 

 

 

I fail to see how you are taking advantage of someone when they have set a price for their item. THey've obviously though about it, and settled for such a price, so you are in noway taking advantage, you're just going by what price they desire.

 

 

 

If they are unaware of the market prices then woeful then.