The Herbalist & Merchant Debate.

[Sy_Accursed]

With the new herblore update Jagex have annouced I've noted on RSOF alot of rants over this matter.

 

 

 

Firstly lets take what Jagex HAS said in its literaly form:

 

Unids are going to become unclean/griemy "herb name"

 

Cleaning a herb requires greater skill than indetifying so: cleaning = same lvl and xp as iding.

 

 

 

This is obviously a anti-scam update.

 

 

 

But how it affects players beyond scammers?

 

 

 

Herbalists:

 

Pros

 

No more 5k ea high lvl unids that are guams

 

Know what herbs youare buying

 

Know what herb you just dropped/picked up from monster

 

Low level herbs cheaper

 

 

 

Cons

 

High level herbs more expensive - easily remedied with farming your own herbs

 

 

 

Merchants:

 

Pros

 

High herbs worth more

 

Less chance of being called a scammer

 

 

 

Cons

 

Harder to sell certain herbs - don't collect them then

 

 

 

So IMO the benefits of this far out way the cons, which all have ways around them.

 

 

 

But alot of people are ranting about these effects.

 

 

 

So what do you tip.iters think?

 

 

 

Are there any pros or cons I missed?

[robgrout]

i think it will be better because when i am slayering or training combat i never like to drop an unid incase its someing good so i have to bank alot more so this will let me filter out the "bad" herbs so i can colect what i whant to and save time and invo space

[Achilleus]

You raise a fascinating point which really has to be looked into at more detail

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot go into this detail rght now because I am about to go and watch Skins on Channel 4

 

 

 

I will Go into the Pros and Cons later Sir

 

 

 

Have a nice Day

[robgrout]

thanks i forgot about skins - soz ino its off topic

[krisc6]

i cant really see anything wrong about this update.this just ko's the low and high level unid scaming we see a lot of although it might push potion prices up with people buying at proper price rather than taking a risk and buying cheap unids

[Achilleus]

thanks i forgot about skins - soz ino its off topic

 

 

 

Tony (Nick Holt goes to my school yay for him)

[Fabbles]

My version:

 

 

 

Herbalists:

 

Pros

 

I am 79 herblore, and I seriously can not think of one thing that helps people with high level herb.

 

 

 

Cons

 

Herbs become more expensive

 

herb seeds become more expensive

 

Now we can't buy massive amounts of all different types of herbs at once for the same price.

 

If you don't have high farm then it will be MUCH harder to train.

 

 

 

Merchants:

 

Pros

 

Herbs and Seeds worth more

 

Easier to sell certain types of herbs - ranarr and kwuarm

 

 

 

Cons

 

Harder to sell things like irit and aventoe

 

 

 

Seriously, this update will be completely unnecessary. People with high level herb know about anti-scam, heck there is even a guide on it in the herblore forum! Once again, Jagex is babying all of rs to *help out* new players who do not read the rules or guides and fall for every lure or scam there is.

[Sy_Accursed]

its not really 'babying'

 

 

 

I think Jagex is doing a wonderful job of altering items to end popular and easy to fall for scams. I mean not everyone reads forums etc enough to know about the ways round them.

 

 

 

I'd judge Jagex more for ignoring simple solutions like this to end major scams.

[Fabbles]

So all of the people who have played the game for awhile and take the time to read everything and make sure they know the risks should suffer? And over the people who have played for only a few months?

 

 

 

Yes, Jagex has been "babying" RS just so the newer players will play the game for more than a few months so they can get more money. They rely on the more experienced players to stay even when they make horrible updates.

 

 

 

Also, the anti-herb scam is not hard to do. Kill chaos druids for 10-20 minutes and you are set really. Even people with low level combat (save lv 3 skillers) can do that!

[Sy_Accursed]

I don't think the negative impact on older players are anything as huge as people make out.

 

 

 

As I said not everyone has played long enough to know about the unid scam or know how to counter it.

 

 

 

And as for the impact on high level players, you blow it out of proportion due to not liking it.

 

 

 

 

 

SURE a minority of herbalists lose out as they can no longer play the cheap unid gamble.

 

 

 

However the majority of herbalists buy pre-ided herbs for safety

 

 

 

All this update will do is make each unid reflect its ided counterparts price

 

 

 

eg a grimey rannar probs be like 8.5k - 9k due to giving a tad more xp

[kysax]

its a lot better and i totally agree with u, now buying unids (or untidy herbs?)

 

is going to be much safer (no more scams)

[bored321]

well it will free 6 more bank spaces for me too, can get rid of anti scam.

[Camaman]

There was too much ambiguity when buying unidentified herbs, so im pleased with upcoming update. Also, there are some people who them just to manipulate their contents and them sell them for a profit. It doesn't seem fair to the people who just want herbs to the sake of herblore.

 

 

 

Honestly, I think the anti-scam technique is just hassle. Merchanting is just an invisible skill and I don't really care what happens to it.

[Fabbles]

Hmm right I am going to listen to the level 60 herb guy without much experience talking about high level herbists.

 

 

 

I would say more than (at least) 50% of people with 75+ herblore get there herbs cheaply either from: buying unids, or farming (the prices of seeds WILL rise after the update).

 

 

 

Hey maybe those people should take the time? And if you are under level 30-40 herb you shouldn't be buying unids anyways so I don't see what the problem is with unids.

 

 

 

And seriously don't respond to this post with *omg you could get scammed with unids!* The people that take the time to read the guides and get up their herb should be rewarded, not the people that play the game for a month and get scammed because they didn't read the guides.

[Sy_Accursed]

You are very selfish and closed minded.

 

 

 

Updates are about the greater good of the game and community not about YOU.

 

 

 

As for your seed thing I see no link.

 

 

 

Farming herbs = ided herbs

 

 

 

Since the farming of herbs is entirely independent from unids how do they link?

 

 

 

I mean rannar seed goes to rannar herbs

 

 

 

So why would unid becoming grimy rannar effect the seed?

[darkpoet837]

I love this update. I have only bought herbs once, and that was a bunch of pre-Id'ed harrys. For the most part, I collect all herbs and ingreadiants myself, and this will help make it faster when looting chaos druid death piles (oh, that ones a guam, lets not bother picking it up \ ). So, it makes the price of herbs go up. Oh well, if you dont want to pay for other people to colect your herbs, go get your own.

[Master_Smither]

This is great I love when jagex makes a skill worth more. I predict pots will raise and since a farm my herbs i will make some money hopefully :pray: .

[Zaaps1]

I think it'll make for a pretty good update for lower-level herblore people, while it might not effect the higher level ones at all. This might make potion prices rise, so I'd buy a whole bundle now.

[the_tallest1]

When I read this in the BTS I thought what the hell. I get the point of them doing it but sometimes I just wonder why resources are being spent on developing things that most players know how to deal with. Where's my great mining update? Oh, that's right, we needed grimy herbs. -.-

 

 

 

I don't see how there's no correlation between the seed prices and no more unids. Some people do buy unids cheaply and then sell the herbs (or use them instead of buying ided ones). This won't be an option after this update; the prices should be equal or perhaps slightly more on the grimy. So where does this person go to get herbs more cheaply than the standard ided price? Well, how about the herb seed market. I've had to hop from one type of herb seed to the next to maintain a profit due to people jumping on one seed and making the price [bleep]e.

 

 

 

Just to note I don't merchant unids; I just don't see the need of this update compared to most.

[bop_dravian]

I thik this is a fantastic update. Anything that adds knowledge to the consumer is good for the economy. This will allow buyers to know what they are paying for, and sellers to get the value that they deserve.

 

 

 

It is also a great benefit for medium level herblorists. The market for unids never really worked for "unids above avantoe" or similar sales. This update will allow everyone to know what they are buying and/or selling. I really don't see a downside, unless it is for selling unids for those who cannot identify ranaars and above - they can no longer sell "high level unids" for more than they are really worth.

 

 

 

Open markets are good, and educated buyers make for fairer markets.

[TeeBeaun]

We have to consider Manage Thy Kingdom in this as well. A lot of herbloreists use MTK to get good herbs on a regular basis, to off-set their farming. I'm not sure how much effect this will have on the herb economy. I personlly believe that over the long run this will have a minimal effect.

[Outsanity]

My version:

 

 

 

Herbalists:

 

Pros

 

I am 79 herblore, and I seriously can not think of one thing that helps people with high level herb.

 

 

 

Cons

 

Herbs become more expensive

 

herb seeds become more expensive

 

Now we can't buy massive amounts of all different types of herbs at once for the same price.

 

If you don't have high farm then it will be MUCH harder to train.

 

 

 

Merchants:

 

Pros

 

Herbs and Seeds worth more

 

Easier to sell certain types of herbs - ranarr and kwuarm

 

 

 

Cons

 

Harder to sell things like irit and aventoe

 

 

 

Seriously, this update will be completely unnecessary. People with high level herb know about anti-scam, heck there is even a guide on it in the herblore forum! Once again, Jagex is babying all of rs to *help out* new players who do not read the rules or guides and fall for every lure or scam there is.

 

 

 

Agreed. I think Jagex is trying to make Runescape idiot-proof, which is NEVER going to happen no matter how many things they "remedy."

 

 

 

I love Herblore because of the fact that before now, people were MORE than willing to part with herbs they couldn't identify for 1k each because of the fact that they are lazy and would rather get quick cash THEN, rather than later by getting higher herblore.

 

 

 

In other words:

 

 

 

Before this update: It was win-win. You got cheaper high leveled herbs, and they made cash quicker off of unids rather than training herblore.

 

 

 

After this update: It's a win-lose. You pay the identified price for herbs, while they make the same cash off the herbs even though they don't have the herblore level to identify them.

 

 

 

Now there's NO point for people to train Herblore. They can just sell the "unclean" herbs now for the same amount of cash and be on their merry, noobish ways.

 

 

 

Sorry for the rant. But I am NOT happy about this update.

[bop_dravian]

Agreed. I think Jagex is trying to make Runescape idiot-proof, which is NEVER going to happen no matter how many things they "remedy."

 

 

 

Nope. They can ALWAYS build a better idiot!

 

 

 

While the quote may be true from a certain point of view, JaGEx usually makes all of its corrections in favor of those who generate the basic supplies to the economy - as well they should.

 

 

 

Miners, woodcutters, fishers, and gatherers SHOULD control the economy. Whatever amount they consider their time to be worth is the basis of everything we do in the marketplace (and this is why autoers/gold farmers are such a detriment - they reduce the time value of materiel procurement).

 

 

 

The greater good is served by encouraging everyone to get their own raw materials. Those who buy materials for training deserve the higher costs they may see as a result of the update. The economy is always secondary to the game itself. Skillers and pures are not the object of the game and will almost always lose when an update is made.

 

 

 

One of the original points of RS is that there are no classes, and everyone is expected to be good at everything (making it very unique among RPG's). Those who are generalists will benefit. Those who specialize will usually get caught by something tha will be detrimental to them for making that choice.

[HatshepsutLecter]

I am in love with this potential update. I am a fan of any update that makes it harder for the bad elements of the game to scam the honest players. And now I am finally going to find out what the three stacks of high level herbs in my bank actually are. :lol:

[Mithril_Max]

I kinda liked the surprise... like having a ranarr pop up in an inventory full of tarromin :D