Its funny how worked up people get over things....I actually lol'd in real life at the argument on page 1. Calm down a 'lil, its just a game.

 

 

 

I find this a week rant as noone except jagex knows how much rule enforcing/bot banning that actually happens. They dont announce it every time they ban a mass of accounts. I think you should shut up and let them get on with it.

Actually, as long as I can play Rune Scape without massive amounts of bots and people cussing like mad on every corner, I' m kinda happy with it. If JAGeX can keep this up, then they could get some more players. But since litlle jerks tend to spoil the game for new and old players, that can be a problem.

 

 

 

See, there will always be someone trying to be the man...

I find this a week rant

 

 

 

Did you bring enough grammar for the rest of the class?

 

 

 

Actually, I think it would be rather weird to play Runescape without autoers. :shock:

Lol, Makoto, lemme guess, the only mmorpg you ever played was Runescape? Don't bother answering, you'll probably lie.

 

 

 

Downloadable mmorpgs with security programs still got bots, simply a billion less than mmorpgs without :roll: Actually, the only MASSIVE mmorpg that is stupid enough to be browser based, and have as security some prehistoric worthless methods, is Runescape.

 

 

 

If you believe Runescape has more security with randoms than with those security programs then you're a damn idiot rofl :roll:

 

 

 

If you don't like the game and keep complaning about it, why play it?

 

 

 

I know plenty of people that have played other MMORPG's and then returned to runescape afterwards. Runescape isn't about the graphics.

A rule is completely worthless if it's not enforced. By example, auto talkers, in world 2. They might aswell allow it, if they are going to do nothing about it. The rule about not blocking ads, they should just remove it, if they are not going to enforce it.

 

 

 

For autotalking, there are many reasons why it is handled in a away it is now. As you don't have an access to pmod guidelines and we're not allowed to spread that information, I'll leave that case here.

 

 

 

For the ad blocking rule, have you ever thought that even just having that rule Jagex can give a reason for advertisers to keep their adds. I bet Jagex don't directly care about you blocking your adds, but their advertisers do care and Jagex must do something to keep them satisfied.

 

 

 

Jagex say they don't want bots, heh, all talk, no action. If Jagex really didn't want bots they'd make this damned game downloadable and add security programs, and they'd leave us the hell alone with their randoms. Randoms don't stop bots, don't be silly, the bots bot through the randoms faster and better than you, the human being. Random events are just a little parody to make the simple-minded believe Jagex is actually doing everything they can against bots, at our dispense. They would allow botting, and that way they wouldn't have to waste money for all the little bots, but, they know they make more money if the players think they are nice and trying to help against the botters. I can only laugh at people saying they are looking for the "solution" to botting! Lol! As if Jagex didn't know the solution, they know it damn well, it's the solution 99.9999% of the other civilized mmorpgs have chosen, ffs.

 

 

 

I agree that randoms don't stop anything and the way to solve the the autoing problem lies on better antiauto functions. However I don't see why a downloadable client would help here. All packets run through their servers and the current system is a lot harder to exploit than a system where antiauto functions are are your hd.

 

 

 

Also you seem to forget that every graphical multiplayer online game with more than few players got the same problem: autoing. In some games it's clearer than in others, but Jagex isn't alone here. According to your text it seems that you think that RS is the only game where people break rules and use bots.

 

 

 

Just today, Jagex created another little illusion to make the players of this game actually believe they are trying to help. "Let's remove all players the chance to get bargain runes, screw up all the item prices, that way we don't have to do anything against botting, hahahahah!". Beep, error. Wanna know why? Bots can't get bargain rules anymore, neither can you, what kind of solution is that?

 

 

 

It removed a way for botters to make easy money (which in most cases is sold for rl money) while legit players suffer from empty stocks for runes, arrows and so on. This wasn't also the first antiauto update we have seen. It's just the easiest one to see from the latest ones.

 

 

 

I was looking at a forum of the mmorpg community, and I have to say Runescape is quite hated. Actually, they don't even bother hating Runescape anymore, they all just know it sucks, they don't even have to say it. Why we wonder? 11 yrs old community, botters everywhere, crappy graphics, crappy customer support, crappy gameplay, Jagex adding impossible to get items in order to make us play longer. We're all looking like a bunch of idiots, it's quite embarassing. I know I'm embarassed for myself.

 

 

 

Childish or not, RS is one of the most popular games in whole world. Of course because of easy way to get started and without the need to pay, at certain places immature people are a problem.

 

 

 

Graphics are just one minor factor and for online games, the graphics can't be the mainthing. Just look at CS for example: looks ugly from today's view but still played after all these years. It's the gameplay and atmosphere that keeps people coming back, not graphics.

 

 

 

You mentioned the customer support here. Jagex already has around 150 people working on it, which is half of their staff. That's really much if you ask me.

 

 

 

The only thing we can hope for now is that Jagex gets tired of us, and just sells their damned company to some other people and leave us the hell alone with their incompetence.

 

 

 

Go find a buyer who got enough money to buy a company with over 300 employees, good patents and a revenue of tens of millions of pounds. Not many choices, eh? After that try to look for one which would even try to change the factors that have made this game so big. Exaclty, hard task there.

For autotalking, there are many reasons why it is handled in a away it is now. As you don't have an access to pmod guidelines and we're not allowed to spread that information, I'll leave that case here.

 

 

 

 

Hah, how interesting. Too late, you already gave it away, little Jagex puppet.

 

 

 

According to your text it seems that you think that RS is the only game where people break rules and use bots.

 

 

 

 

Rofl, no, you didnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t even read the complete thread. There is botting in every single game, but out of them all Runescape is the worse, by very very far. If you ignore that, then all it means is you never played another game than Runescape, rofl. ItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s completely obvious, all other games suffer from autoing, but itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s so small and insignificant that it doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t even matter. The only game I know of that still has autoing problems apart from Runescape is Granado Espada, but itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s a hundred times less worse. Why do you think all the games that are downloadable with security programs have less botters, smarty pants? Certainly because they are better than the idiotic methods Runescape uses.

 

 

 

It removed a way for botters to make easy money (which in most cases is sold for rl money) while legit players suffer from empty stocks for runes, arrows and so on. This wasn't also the first antiauto update we have seen. It's just the easiest one to see from the latest ones.

 

 

 

IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ll tell you what legit players suffer from now: cheap runes. Just face it, Jagex took the lazy solution. Instead of getting rid of the botters that buy the runes, they get rid of the runes for everyone, wow, how clever.

 

 

 

Childish or not, RS is one of the most popular games in whole world. Of course because of easy way to get started and without the need to pay, at certain places immature people are a problem.

 

 

 

Popular? Yes. Filled with immature idiotic gits? Yes. Don't treat the fact it is popular as a good thing, it isn't.

 

 

 

Graphics are just one minor factor and for online games, the graphics can't be the mainthing. Just look at CS for example: looks ugly from today's view but still played after all these years. It's the gameplay and atmosphere that keeps people coming back, not graphics.

 

 

 

Ah gameplay and atmosphere, letÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s talk about those. The gameplay is horrible. When you run and click on a new spot too quickly, you walk backwards, you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t do anything useful with the keyboard except opening your invs. which is totally useless since you need your mouse to click on the item. Click click and click, this is all this game has. Other games have hotkeys, a lot of the letters on the keyboard have different functions for better access. And donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t tell me itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ll interfere with the talking or itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ll just show you never played a single other mmorpg and have no idea what youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re talking about. The chat screen in those cases is selectable with a click, and the game screen for hotkeys selectable. It would be perfect, maybe the idiots would stop spamming all the time if they have to click on hotkeys. But hah, letÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s not dream, runescape has none of it, it is most likely the massive morpg with the worse gameplay out of them all.

 

Atmosphere of cw you say? 12 yrs old insulting eachothers and killing other people? How wonderful.

 

 

 

You mentioned the customer support here. Jagex already has around 150 people working on it, which is half of their staff. That's really much if you ask me.

 

 

 

In all games IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve played the customer support was fast, accurate, and gave customized responces, it was a nice change from Runescape. Now tell me, why canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t Jagex do that? Surely money is not a problem, they can figure out something. Or, maybe they just donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t care?

 

 

 

Go find a buyer who got enough money to buy a company with over 300 employees, good patents and a revenue of tens of millions of pounds. Not many choices, eh? After that try to look for one which would even try to change the factors that have made this game so big. Exaclty, hard task there.

 

 

 

Rofl, my father works in companies, all companies he worked in met and outdid all those reqs. Really, if you think those companies are rare then you must live in the middle of nowhere on a barn. If Jagex put Runescape for sale, thereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s absolutely no doubt it would be bought, with all the money itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s making.

 

 

 

Anyway, we seem to have different opinions, no point in arguing, go back to playing Runescape and have fun -.-

I know I'm embarassed for myself.

 

 

 

Damn, I'm embarrassed for you too. How can you care so much? I think you need some outside time.

I agree that Jagex doesn't even seem to try anymore. Their customer support is less useful than a pile of dog [cabbage] and they use shiny trinkets to divert peoples' attention from the true problems.

 

 

 

A far more useful alternative to the runeshop update would've been to create a magic level requirement in order to purchase mid to high level runes, as well as a short miniquest that requires one to fight a couple high level monsters without the aid of prayer. This would slow down the ability of shopbots to the point where Jagex could ban most of them before they were able to satisfy the shop requirements.

 

 

 

Instead, they chose to again punish the legitimate players, just like with the Random Events, which are totally useless.

Anyone who doesnt agree with him already, play FFXI, EQ, for 5 minutes (although I have never played EQ I go on their forums quite frequently and everyone seems content). Their customer support is on a whole different level. Jagex doesnt care if bots get banned or not to be honest. If they did they would implement a special task force for bots like as OP said 99.99% of other mmorpgs have done. Stop flaming him, he is absolutely right.

From personal experiences in WoW compared to Runescape:

 

 

 

Every five minutes a Chinese farmer/bot would spam my chat box with ads, log off, make a new character and does it again. It never happened in Runescape.

 

 

 

The materials in the auction house were mostly sold by said rulebreakers and the legit offers were bought to avoid competition, eventually monopolising the market.

 

 

 

WoW's main income in the endgame comes from selling grinded items off mobs. You tend to neglect your professions or reset to enchanting/jewelcrafting since they're the only professions that can be used after you have items better than the best possible item made from your former profession. Why someone would keep hammersmith for Stormherald when they have the Torch of the Damned would be beyond me... Runescape has dozens of ways one could make his wealth and I'm sure they wouldn't forget a skill that easily just because they've gotten a godsword.

 

 

 

Also, WoW doesn't have the generous option to switch server if a particular spot is taken (mostly by bots/farmers). If a group has the green dragons all for themselves you'd just switch world... You can't do that in WoW. Even if the farmer is in the opposite faction, they'd just go in an account with the same faction as yours and keep farming for gold. It's MUCH MUCH WORSE in WoW.

 

 

 

Don't even dare come telling me WoW's situation is better than RS's. It isn't at all.

my bad my bad, like i said, I am going off of what i read on the forums and my friends experience in EQ and WoW, I only have true first hand experience with final fantasy XI

my bad my bad, like i said, I am going off of what i read on the forums and my friends experience in EQ and WoW, I only have true first hand experience with final fantasy XI

 

 

 

All this shows is that there is no equal bot problem in each game. It varies tremendously. A couple of years ago, bots were not a serious problem, it's only lately that they have plagued the game.

 

 

 

Other games might not have bot problems simply because they are too complex to bot or people don't buy the currency for that game at a high enough price.

 

 

 

Not only the game type and the timeframe vary, but even a player's experience with bots will differ from the next.

 

 

 

I myself didn't bother buying things from shops, or cutting yews etc.. so the bots had already taken over our base by the time i even heard that they were that big a deal. Therefore, there would have been a time in runescape where yew bots were an infestation, and if someone asked me if there was a bot problem I would have replied "not really".

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As a matter of fact, in Final fantasy XI it got so bad that nearly every monster that had a drop worth more than 100k was constantly botted, and you could hardly go anywhere without seeing an army of bots. What they did was select a few of their mods to constantly look out for ban bots/third party tool users. It effectively eliminated 100% of the bots. That is where Jagex fails, they could care less as long as they are getting money, oh sure they throw out a "Cracking down on bots" update a month or two, but it hardly helps, they are simply not commited to costumer service, and nothing we can do will change it.

 

 

 

First of all, I don't think you have enough information to accuse Jagex of not "cracking down on bots". Since we know nothing of how their companies work, you cannot assume that there is no special task for dedicated to bots. It could be that, given the sheer magnitude of the problem, the task force simply can't ban them as fast as other games can. (remember runescape is a lot easier to sign up for and has more updates than your average MMO)

 

 

 

Second of all, why is everyone critisizing them now of all times!? After they have just created an update that, not only destroyed the current shop autobuyers but also makes it literally IMPOSSIBLE for the problem of autobuyers to ever occur again. It simply cannot be done! This is a fantastic push forwards and you guys are acting like they have been slacking off.

 

 

 

Seems the common argument is "oh well the bots can just become yew cutters". That's just speculation! Assumptions that haven't clearly evaluated the problem at hand. There is a huge difference between autobuying bots and autominers or auto yew cutters. Autobuyers are pure trash accounts. They require NO skill levels and therefore are extremely expendable. If one gets banned, another can come in take it's place in a ridiculously short amount of time, thus banning them is near impossible. The bots cannot just switch between illegal activities at their leisure, they must spend hours upon end training and a more complicated software obviously. Therefore this shows that the autobuying bots caused the greatest threats and also were the hardest to get rid of. What has jagex done? Eliminated the problem altogether. Eliminated a large portion of bots and therefore now they can tackle the other forms of bots.

 

 

 

That forces bots to perform a task that has a skill requirement which is similar to what you said about the magic level. However, this caused the same effect and also had another advantage. In our view, buying from shops was just expensive and time consuming. They didn't want shops to perform that role, they wanted shops to provide enough goods but at a high price. This is exactly what the update accomplishes. There are, of course, people who stood around in shops buying the stocks just like autoers and making a profit. They are the ones sacrificed in this situation however the skillers have benefited from this update AND the autobuyers no longer exist. Those two benefits greatly outweigh the cost.

 

 

 

I don't like when people openly criticize or accuse others. However I despise it when people unjustly criticize or accuse others. You claim that Jagex only care about money and not about their players? Completely untrue, they care about both. If they are willing to sacrifice their players, then why do they eliminate bots that have membership? (They have been seen to do so, this was discussed in a TET article). Doesn't that effectively prove that they are willing to cut back a bit on their revenue for the sake of banning bots? This recent update was targeting all bots, member or non-member as well.

 

 

 

Furthermore, these "crackdowns" on bots have the effect of raising the price of, say, sharks when it's a fishing bot crackdown. With basic economics we can tell that this is due to fewer sharks being produced because there are fewer bots and since sharks are members-only, all those bots banned had membership. Therefore, Jagex does not let the bots that pay membership get away with it either which proves your claim wrong again. Also, did you really assume that these "crackdowns" are the only times they ban bots?

 

 

 

They are even attacking the problem from the other end, banning players who purchase the items which is also very effective at dealing with the problem.

 

 

 

Your other accusations about customer service are just biased. I guess that's normal because you can only see one side of the problem: the side that concerns you. You do NOT see all the possible thousands of reports that they get on a daily basis so you just assume that they don't take care of their customer service. Having talked to a J mod ingame, I know that's your claim is a load of crap because he informed me of his job which was dealing exclusively with customer support. Which shows that they do keep up with customer support.

You try to be Customer Support for ONE DAY! Getting thousands of players yelling at you for not doing your job. You are banning thousands of bots per week and you get yelled at for not doing anything.

 

 

 

If you don't like the game, don't play it. Simple as that.

Furthermore, these "crackdowns" on bots have the effect of raising the price of, say, sharks when it's a fishing bot crackdown. With basic economics we can tell that this is due to fewer sharks being produced because there are fewer bots and since sharks are members-only, all those bots banned had membership. Therefore, Jagex does not let the bots that pay membership get away with it either which proves your claim wrong again. Also, did you really assume that these "crackdowns" are the only times they ban bots?

 

 

 

So you are saying you would rather have bots and let shark prices be down, number one, I personally have a problem with that becuase sharks are my main form of income, secondly, you would rather cheat us decent hardworking players so your precious shark prices go down because the market it flooded? Bots are nothing but a bad thing.

its actually browser based because of ease to access... a java program takes up EXACTLY the same amount of memory whther its on the site or not...

Ok, I really though about it, and you are correct, I did go out of line, I humbly apologize, it just gets so frusturating when i see bots out in the open 30 at a time botting and autotalkers/buyer just getting away with stuff openly, it really burns me up because every day I see hundreds of autoers getting thousands of sharks at a time, and knowing they got it unjustly. I happen to take pride in my fishing, and am just so sick of bots ruining the market. The thing is though I see the SAME bots every day, I take time to report them and I am sure other players do too, but every time I log on it is still the same bots no matter how many times I report.

 

 

 

Sorry, I will delete my post

I know I'm embarassed for myself.

 

 

 

Damn, I'm embarrassed for you too. How can you care so much? I think you need some outside time.

 

 

 

Lol, I don't sit down and say to myself "k now I'm going to be embarassed", it just happens :P

syndrome445, as long as you understand I didn't state my approval or disapproval of shark prices. On a personal hope, I do hope the price of sharks goes back up even if I seldom fish them.

I agree completely. However, because Jagex already has so much work on their hands, they simply cannot possibly keep up with all these rule breakers. That is why we have the 'report abuse button;' but that is a completely different problem anyway... :P

Jagex say they don't want bots, heh, all talk, no action.

 

 

 

Oh, really?

 

 

 

If Jagex really didn't want bots they'd make this damned game downloadable and add security programs, and they'd leave us the hell alone with their randoms.

 

 

 

How the hell would that work? Bots would just download the game, get a human to go through the 'security processes' (by the way please elaborate on that) then bot as usual. Unless you mean 'security processes' per login, then that would be as detrimental to legitimate players than randoms have ever been.

 

 

 

Randoms don't stop bots, don't be silly, the bots bot through the randoms faster and better than you, the human being.

 

 

 

Randoms are very frequently teleported by these random events. That statement is based on no fact at all. Have a look at Rimmington Yews in F2P. You'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

 

 

Random events are just a little parody to make the simple-minded believe Jagex is actually doing everything they can against bots, at our dispense.

 

 

 

They pretty much are

 

 

 

They would allow botting, and that way they wouldn't have to waste money for all the little bots, but, they know they make more money if the players think they are nice and trying to help against the botters. I can only laugh at people saying they are looking for the "solution" to botting! Lol! As if Jagex didn't know the solution, they know it damn well, it's the solution 99.9999% of the other civilized mmorpgs have chosen, ffs.

 

 

 

Then why don't YOU, the genius, go into Jagex Towers, approach Andrew Gower and tell him your brilliant plan that 99.9999% of everyone knows? Or better yet, YOU start your own MMORPG then you decide what to do.

 

 

 

Just today, Jagex created another little illusion to make the players of this game actually believe they are trying to help.

 

 

 

Mm-hm.

 

 

 

"Let's remove all players the chance to get bargain runes,

 

 

 

You want runes, you pay the full price. Don't get angry at Jagex for your laziness.

 

 

 

screw up all the item prices

 

 

 

How? Deaths were always at 300 each in the player market before the update, why should Jagex allow players to get them for just over 200?

 

 

 

that way we don't have to do anything against botting, hahahahah!". Beep, error. Wanna know why? Bots can't get bargain rules anymore, neither can you, what kind of solution is that?

 

 

 

A very good one indeed. NPC stores were never designed to provide RuneScapians with a bargain. If the generally accepted player price has risen, so should the shop prices.

 

 

 

I was looking at a forum of the mmorpg community, and I have to say Runescape is quite hated.

 

 

 

Have you no brain? The reason the little kiddies put up that garbage is because they lost their stuff/ died/ whatever in-game activity that they don't like. Plain and simple, so they throw a temper tantrum against the RuneScape players, community and Jagex. If Jagex provided everyone with infinite cash and stats would people hate RuneScape? People with brains- yes. Eight-year-olds- no.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they don't even bother hating Runescape anymore, they all just know it sucks, they don't even have to say it.

 

 

 

Ironic since not one bit of info is backed up. Refer to above.

 

 

 

Why we wonder? 11 yrs old community, botters everywhere

 

 

 

That is SO Jagex's fault.

 

 

 

crappy graphics

 

 

 

Meh.

 

crappy customer support

 

 

 

The only reason for this is because idiots inundate them with 'OMG I Lost mi stuph pl0z replace' that they are naturally unable to sift through the garabge that comes their way.

 

 

 

crappy gameplay,

 

 

 

How? Elaborate

 

 

 

Jagex adding impossible to get items in order to make us play longer. We're all looking like a bunch of idiots, it's quite embarassing. I know I'm embarassed for myself.

 

 

 

That's the players fault. People need to know to suit themselves, rather than getting Jagex to suit them. As the saying says: 'If the mountain won't come to you, you must go to the mountain'. Jagex isn't your mother there to fulfil your every request.

 

 

 

The only thing we can hope for now is that Jagex gets tired of us, and just sells their damned company to some other people and leave us the hell alone with their incompetence.

 

 

 

You can do that too, by quiting. Many people have done that without throwing a hissy fit.