The Nobel Committee's got a point there, the world isn't exactly going to be a nice place when we start waging war over fossil fuels.

I lost respect for Al Gore when I heard that during an argument with his daughter, he pointed at a Secret Service agent and shouted "Do you want to end up like one of THEM one day?"

 

 

 

First of all, that's a crappy way to talk to the people who GUARD YOUR LIFE from whackjobs. Plus, many agents have degrees in anything from criminology to accounting (the Secret Service is the legal arm of the Treasury, after all).

 

 

 

The Secret Service also dislikes Hillary, but that's exactly how I pictured her from the start.

 

 

 

The following is fun, because many agents hold psychology degrees! :P

 

 

 

[hide]Johnson was a first class jerk and on the two occasions I flew for

 

him, if the Secret Service and their Liaison in the Pentagon hadn't

 

intervened, we would have had to stay on the airplane for hours while

 

he ( Johnson) was off somewhere. Nixon never required that and the

 

four (4) stops we made with him he was cordial to the Secret Service

 

and to me and my crew.

 

 

 

We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret

 

service presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and

 

Johnson were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the

 

presidents' plane. Yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for

 

secret "dates," and LBJ was a typical Texas "good ole boy" womanizer.

 

Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton

 

cheated, but couldn't match Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety.

 

Without a doubt, Ronald and Nancy Reagan had the best marriage. The

 

couple

 

seemed to always get along and there was never an incident reported

 

where Ronald Reagan lost his temper or got angry with his security

 

detail. He was probably the most down to earth, well liked, of all

 

the Presidents. His wife Nancy was a little standoffish at times but

 

for the most part was kind and considerate of the feelings of the

 

security detail.

 

 

 

The information below is accurate: The elder Bush and current

 

president Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the air crews

 

who fly them around. When the president flies, there are several

 

planes that also go, one carries the armored limo, another the

 

security detail, plus usually a press aircraft.

 

 

 

Both Bushes made it a point to stay home on holidays, so the Air

 

Force and security people could have a day with their families.

 

 

 

Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her security

 

detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging

 

pleasantries with them. Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's

 

obvious conceit and mean spiritedness, ignored her demands and

 

exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's presence.

 

Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The

 

consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like

 

her. Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who

 

were charged to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did

 

their job, as professionals should, but they all loathed her and

 

wanted to be on a different detail.

 

 

 

Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret Service as a whole. Former

 

President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife. Often the

 

Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary would use

 

against her husband. They were embarrassed for his sake by the manner

 

and frequency in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes in the

 

presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind closed doors.

 

Even behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so

 

loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying. Many felt sorry

 

for President Clinton and most wondered why he tolerated it instead of

 

just divorcing his "attack dog" wife. It was crystal clear that the

 

Clinton's neither liked nor respected each other and this was true

 

long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a

 

"marriage of convenience."

 

 

 

Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother, even after the

 

Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact

 

have charisma, and occasionally would smile at or shake hands with

 

his security detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of

 

superiority towards them. His security detail uniformly believed him

 

to be disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without a motive

 

that in some way would enhance his image and political career. He was

 

polite, but not kind. They did not particularly like him and nobody

 

trusted him.

 

 

 

Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They were friendlier

 

toward each other than either of them were towards former President

 

Clinton. They were not intimate, so please don't read that in. They

 

were very close in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally nice and

 

pleasant. She initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she

 

had her "pegged" and no longer liked her or associated with her except

 

for events that were politically obligatory.

 

 

 

Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al Gore resented

 

Bill Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised all

 

Republicans. His hatred was bitter and this was long before he

 

announced for the Presidency. This hatred was something that he and

 

Hillary had in

 

common. They often said as much, even in the presence of their

 

security detail. Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret

 

Service opined, neither of them even liked him. Bill Clinton did have

 

some good qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the view

 

of their security details.

 

 

 

Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security

 

detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to

 

scold them in the presence of their peers for minor details over

 

which they had no control. Al Gore also looked down on them, as they

 

finally observed and learned with certainty on one occasion. Al got

 

angry at his offspring and pointed at his security detail and said,

 

"Do you want to grow up and be like them?" Word of this insult by the

 

former Vice-President quickly spread and he became as disliked by the

 

Secret Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be

 

elected President, and they really did have private celebrations in a

 

few of their homes after President Bush won. This was not necessarily

 

to celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's

 

defeat.

 

 

 

Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's

 

detail. Without exception, they concede that she is perhaps the nicest

 

and most kind person they have ever had the privilege of serving.

 

Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be taken with

 

her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she

 

offers. She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank you." Very

 

often, she will give members of her detail a

 

kindhearted hug to express her appreciation. There is nothing false

 

about her. This is her genuine nature. Her security detail considers

 

her to be a "breath of fresh air." They joke that comparing Laura Bush

 

with Hillary Clinton is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the

 

"Wicked Witch of the North."

 

 

 

Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a

 

man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he

 

always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like the

 

Crawford, Texas detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford he

 

has a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps serve their meals.

 

He sits with them, eats with them, and talks with them.. He knows each

 

of them by their first name, and calls them by their first name as a

 

show of affection. He always asks about their family, the

 

names of which he always remembers. They believe that he is deeply

 

and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like,

 

love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not

 

know they would feel this way, until they had an opportunity to work

 

for him and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has

 

never changed since he began his Presidency. He always treats them

 

with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.

 

 

[/hide]

 

 

 

We know someone in the Treasury and have confirmed these sentiments :P.

O well Al Gore wins whoopy? He had a good documenttary but he shouldn't have won it. I hope he's not gonna be president next :ohnoes:

 

If it was based on movies, Peter Jackson would have my vote over him any day. :)

 

 

 

He deserved it, IMO. He's been campaigning for, what, a couple of years now? And, in his documentary, I think he proved that humans have greatly affected the Earth's atmosphere and quickened Global Warming.

I've read thing about how volcanic eruptions on Earth everyday put out more pollution and Co2 than humans do in a year or whatever, so yea...

And can you back that statement up with a source, or are we talking completely and utter [cabbage] you might as well have made up on the spot?

The Nobel Committee's got a point there, the world isn't exactly going to be a nice place when we start waging war over fossil fuels.

 

Er, we're not exactly going to be waging war over fossil fuels any time soon, or ever, especially with all the amount that's left buried in the ground, but too expensive currently to get out [ex].

Wow, just wow. Perfect example of how elites kiss eachothers behinds constantly.

O well Al Gore wins whoopy? He had a good documenttary but he shouldn't have won it. I hope he's not gonna be president next :ohnoes:

He deserved it, IMO. He's been campaigning for, what, a couple of years now? And, in his documentary, I think he proved that humans have greatly affected the Earth's atmosphere and quickened Global Warming.

 

Actually it's been a tiny bit more than a couple years, more like a couple decades.

The Nobel Committee's got a point there, the world isn't exactly going to be a nice place when we start waging war over fossil fuels.

 

Er, we're not exactly going to be waging war over fossil fuels any time soon, or ever, especially with all the amount that's left buried in the ground, but too expensive currently to get out [ex].

 

Er... I'm sorry. What's Iraq full of again? Oh no, we went in there to 'liberate' them. My mistake...

 

 

 

The whole issue about the documentary is irrelevent. Al Gore wasn't the one who made it part of the curriculum (which is what happened here). I think Al Gore deserves merit for being one of about two politicians (the other being Arnold Schwarzenegger) actually making a stand against Global Warming, despite being ruled by a President which still denies its existance on religious grounds.

The Nobel Committee's got a point there, the world isn't exactly going to be a nice place when we start waging war over fossil fuels.

 

Er, we're not exactly going to be waging war over fossil fuels any time soon, or ever, especially with all the amount that's left buried in the ground, but too expensive currently to get out [ex].

 

Er... I'm sorry. What's Iraq full of again? Oh no, we went in there to 'liberate' them. My mistake...

 

 

 

The whole issue about the documentary is irrelevent. Al Gore wasn't the one who made it part of the curriculum (which is what happened here). I think Al Gore deserves merit for being one of about two politicians (the other being Arnold Schwarzenegger) actually making a stand against Global Warming, despite being ruled by a President which still denies its existance on religious grounds.

 

 

 

He denies it on religious grounds?

 

 

 

Not saying I dont believe you, but I just want to know what religious grounds he denies it on.

O well Al Gore wins whoopy? He had a good documenttary but he shouldn't have won it. I hope he's not gonna be president next :ohnoes:

He deserved it, IMO. He's been campaigning for, what, a couple of years now? And, in his documentary, I think he proved that humans have greatly affected the Earth's atmosphere and quickened Global Warming.

 

Actually it's been a tiny bit more than a couple years, more like a couple decades.

 

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up, I just took a number out of the blue. :)

Wow, just wow. Perfect example of how elites kiss eachothers behinds constantly.

 

 

 

I actually do believe the nobel prize commitee to be very neutral and giving the prizes to make a point. I don't know too much about the whole thing though. Three years ago a completely unsuspecting Austrian writer got awarded the literature prize for example. The choice was very controversial. I don't know why though - i know nothing about her book. I saw an interview with her though and she seemed to be a very humble person. I can hardly imagine her having any connection with the commitee whatsoever.

Global warming:

 

 

 

It's the carbon dioxide that gives the hothouse effect. It lets the short waves of sunlight pass through

 

to the planet's surface, but doesn't allow the long waves of planetary heat to radiate off. When carbon

 

dioxide concentration goes up as a result of volcanic action, the planet heats up a bit and you have

 

a carboniferous age, with oceans high and land surface at a minimum. When carbon dioxide goes

 

down as a result of the vegetation refusing to let a good thing alone, fattening up on the good old

 

CO2 and losing its head about it, temperature drops, ice forms, a vicious cycle of glaciation starts, and

 

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Per Isaac Asimov

Humans are releasing incredible amounts of greenhouse gases.

 

 

 

Greenhouse gases raise the temperature on the Earth.

 

 

 

What the hell is there to doubt?

I've read thing about how volcanic eruptions on Earth everyday put out more pollution and Co2 than humans do in a year or whatever, so yea...

And can you back that statement up with a source, or are we talking completely and utter [cabbage] you might as well have made up on the spot?

 

 

 

Oh please. The same statement (and the proof) has been posted here many, many times...And I think I can even remember you saying the SAME thing.

 

 

 

Go look yourself. I read it "somewhere" and I'm not going to go confirm something just for you for a statement I made that was in tangent.

It's an unavoidable global phenomenon.

 

 

 

Humans may speed it up but it would occur anyway because of Earth's dense atmosphere.

 

 

 

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@Flame, I'm afraid you're spouting utter [cabbage].

 

 

 

@Kashi, it wouldn't. Earth requires a certain amount of greenhouse gases to maintain a constant temperature - conveniently enough about as much as there was before the industrial revolution.

 

 

 

Occasionally natural events occur that spout massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere, but ultimately that is sequestered in the form fossil fuels (oil coal etc). However, humans are taking this carbon which has been sequestered and reintroducing it many times faster than nature stores it, thus raising the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and the earth's temperature.

Humans are releasing incredible amounts of greenhouse gases.

 

 

 

Greenhouse gases raise the temperature on the Earth.

 

 

 

What the hell is there to doubt?

 

 

 

This was your scientific theory.

 

 

 

And *I* am spouting "utter [cabbage]"? That's laughable.

 

 

 

Yes, we're releasing plenty of greenhouse gases, but why, even after I SAY IT HERE, are people still ignoring the fact that Mars has also heated up along with the Earth? Are you implying there are humans on Mars now?

 

 

 

The world is simply heating too rapidly for it to be from us. In just several years it has gotten noticeably worse, even more-so than scientists predicted by assuming it was us doing the damage.

 

 

 

It's clear what's going on here. The sun is acting up.

 

 

 

I'd love to see the look on everyone's faces if the Earth just all of a sudden stopped all this stuff and went back to how it was. Surely you morons would say it was due to Al Gore's work and planting tree's. :lol:

 

 

 

The bottom line is we need to worry about our environment, period, and stop logging the rain forests and crap, 'cause that won't help anything...However, humans are NOT the reason the world is fallin' apart.

He'e a hypocrite. And he said so many times that he's not running.

Yes, we're releasing plenty of greenhouse gases, but why, even after I SAY IT HERE, are people still ignoring the fact that Mars has also heated up along with the Earth? Are you implying there are humans on Mars now?

 

 

 

The world is simply heating too rapidly for it to be from us. In just several years it has gotten noticeably worse, even more-so than scientists predicted by assuming it was us doing the damage.

 

 

 

It's clear what's going on here. The sun is acting up.

 

 

 

The earth does go through temperature cycles. Humans are not entirely responsible for the rise in temperature. But to claim that we have not played any part in it is absurd.

 

 

 

And what part of my logic do you think is incorrect? You said that humans release lots of CO2, do you deny that CO2 traps heat the atmosphere?

 

 

 

I was specifically referring to your claim that volcanoes are responsible for more CO2 in the atmosphere than humans.

 

 

 

I'd love to see the look on everyone's faces if the Earth just all of a sudden stopped all this stuff and went back to how it was. Surely you morons would say it was due to Al Gore's work and planting tree's. :lol:

 

 

 

Luckily for the environmental cause that is unlikely to happen :roll:

 

 

 

The bottom line is we need to worry about our environment, period, and stop logging the rain forests and crap, 'cause that won't help anything...However, humans are NOT the reason the world is fallin' apart.

 

 

 

I beg to differ in that respect - and not just in regard to global warming.

Yes, we're releasing plenty of greenhouse gases, but why, even after I SAY IT HERE, are people still ignoring the fact that Mars has also heated up along with the Earth? Are you implying there are humans on Mars now?

 

 

 

The world is simply heating too rapidly for it to be from us. In just several years it has gotten noticeably worse, even more-so than scientists predicted by assuming it was us doing the damage.

 

 

 

It's clear what's going on here. The sun is acting up.

 

 

 

The earth does go through temperature cycles. Humans are not entirely responsible for the rise in temperature. But to claim that we have not played any part in it is absurd.

 

 

 

And what part of my logic do you think is incorrect? You said that humans release lots of CO2, do you deny that CO2 traps heat the atmosphere?

 

 

 

I was specifically referring to your claim that volcanoes are responsible for more CO2 in the atmosphere than humans.

 

 

 

I'd love to see the look on everyone's faces if the Earth just all of a sudden stopped all this stuff and went back to how it was. Surely you morons would say it was due to Al Gore's work and planting tree's. :lol:

 

 

 

Luckily for the environmental cause that is unlikely to happen :roll:

 

 

 

The bottom line is we need to worry about our environment, period, and stop logging the rain forests and crap, 'cause that won't help anything...However, humans are NOT the reason the world is fallin' apart.

 

 

 

I beg to differ in that respect - and not just in regard to global warming.

 

 

 

I read that thing about volcanoes somewhere and don't know if it's true, but it surely could be.

 

 

 

Global Warming freaks act like Co2 is the bane of Earth. It isn't. Yes, we're certainly chuckin' lots into the atmosphere, but to think we're powerful enough to destroy the Earth by doing so is rather lame. The Earth is far more resilient than we think.

 

 

 

...And again, the sun is freaking out. It isn't us doing all this.

I don't think anyone [who knows what he's talking about] would deny that global warming isn't entirely humans. I don't. But just give me a straight answer: do you believe that humans are entirely unresponsible for the warming the earth has experienced in the past century?

 

 

 

Further, it does not take much warming to set off massive reactions. For example, melting permafrost releases sequestered methane - a greenhouse gas many times more powerful than CO2. Melting ice caps destroy the gulf stream, turning England into an iceberg. Increasingly acidic oceans become uninhabitable for phytoplankton, responsible for 80% of the oxygen on earth.

 

 

 

Is the earth at risk of being destroyed? No.

 

 

 

Is it at risk of being made considerably less habitable? Yes.

 

 

 

I realize all of that is a somewhat impotent argument if you believe humans are entirely unreprehensible for the earth's rising temperatures, so it all really comes down to whether you want to believe that humans are in any way responsible for what is happening.

Whoa, this topic is very off-topic, but what'd you expect?

 

 

 

Off-topic: My 2 cents about global warming is that it's a natural process the Earth goes though. Humans are multiplying the effects, but you cannot doubt that humans aren't responsible for it. We've got our eyes on the sun and it hasn't shown any relatively abnormal signs of releasing more sun rays. All the evidence is there, so we know that humans are speeding up and multiplying the process of global warming. Because of our impact, there's nothing we can do to stop it. Sure, we can slow it, but one way or another the world is going to go through some major climate and geographical changes within the next 50-500 years. That's a big time plot, but I'm too tired to look up the exact numbers at this moment and changes of this magnitude are unprecedented. When these changes do occur though, a lot of people are going to die. There's no escaping this "inconvient truth" and whether you believe me or not it doesn't matter, as you probably won't live to see it. I do feel very bad for the generation that has to suffer through that though.

 

 

 

On-Topic: Congrats for Al Gore. As a person, I've never been fond of him, but I do like what he stands for. I'm all for fighting global warming to postpone the doom that nature will eventually sucker punch us with.

Yes, we're releasing plenty of greenhouse gases, but why, even after I SAY IT HERE, are people still ignoring the fact that Mars has also heated up along with the Earth? Are you implying there are humans on Mars now?

 

 

 

The world is simply heating too rapidly for it to be from us. In just several years it has gotten noticeably worse, even more-so than scientists predicted by assuming it was us doing the damage.

 

 

 

It's clear what's going on here. The sun is acting up.

 

 

 

The earth does go through temperature cycles. Humans are not entirely responsible for the rise in temperature. But to claim that we have not played any part in it is absurd.

 

 

 

And what part of my logic do you think is incorrect? You said that humans release lots of CO2, do you deny that CO2 traps heat the atmosphere?

 

 

 

I was specifically referring to your claim that volcanoes are responsible for more CO2 in the atmosphere than humans.

 

 

 

I'd love to see the look on everyone's faces if the Earth just all of a sudden stopped all this stuff and went back to how it was. Surely you morons would say it was due to Al Gore's work and planting tree's. :lol:

 

 

 

Luckily for the environmental cause that is unlikely to happen :roll:

 

 

 

The bottom line is we need to worry about our environment, period, and stop logging the rain forests and crap, 'cause that won't help anything...However, humans are NOT the reason the world is fallin' apart.

 

 

 

I beg to differ in that respect - and not just in regard to global warming.

 

 

 

I read that thing about volcanoes somewhere and don't know if it's true, but it surely could be.

 

 

 

Global Warming freaks act like Co2 is the bane of Earth. It isn't. Yes, we're certainly chuckin' lots into the atmosphere, but to think we're powerful enough to destroy the Earth by doing so is rather lame. The Earth is far more resilient than we think.

 

 

 

...And again, the sun is freaking out. It isn't us doing all this.

 

 

 

The CO2 furor isn't about how the earth is going to be destroyed. It's not. The furor is about our way of life being severely compromised.

 

 

 

If you want to put your side of the debate across I suggest doing a little more research and coming up with more than "the sun is freaking out".

 

 

 

Cite a source. A scientific paper, anything.

That's a damn lie. I do not hate Al Gore for starring in an inadequate porn movie.

 

 

 

At least, I don't think I do...

 

 

 

Oh no no, you do.

 

 

 

:P

Oh please. The same statement (and the proof) has been posted here many, many times...And I think I can even remember you saying the SAME thing.

 

 

 

Go look yourself. I read it "somewhere" and I'm not going to go confirm something just for you for a statement I made that was in tangent.

Here's a link to a site hosted by the US Department of Interior, US Geolegical Survey of Volcanic Hazards, titled "Effects of Volcanic Gases". I'll quote the sentence with the most relevance.

 

 

 

Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)!

 

 

 

And I fail to see how it's tangent, when you start of by saying "global warming isn't caused by us, he should be stripped of his Nobel prize" and then start citing statistics to show just why global warming isn't caused by us - statistics you then won't back up with a source. (Though of course, speaking of things we've "read somewhere", I seem to recall volcanic eruptions releasing aerosols into the atmosphere actually have a cooling effect. It has to do with that whole blotting out of the sun thing)

 

 

 

Oh, and about the sun, how's citing some evidence that global warming is _only_ caused by solar variation, 'cause last time I checked, the stance of the IPCC was that while it has an influence, that influence lies well below 50% of global warming. That seems to neatly explain how come Mars is heating up, as well as why we can't pretend Global Warming isn't real.