Staking riot

[ego_scorpion]

n64jive, im going to agree with you on this one. The kid is gloating over the misfortune of others.

 

 

 

Also, jagex, much like blizzard with world of warcraft understand one thing, $. If something severely hurts their income they will quickly reconsider. I say this from personal experience with World of Warcraft.

[kdb148]

But people aren't really being screwed, is my point. You can still stake for good amounts of money with the tournament system. If you are good at staking, you can work your way up to the level where you can stake a million per fight. No, you can't win hundreds of millions in one go by staking a blue partyhat any more, but then, Jagex never intended for blue partyhats to be worth hundreds of millions of coins to begin with. However, it is still quite possible to make an excellent living staking in tournaments, once they get the tournament system sorted out.

[Olbritishchap]

What..the hell..were they thinking!?! "hey guys, i got a great idea. let's make it so people can only stake up to 12k an hour, just to stop .01% of players from cheating!" what's next? only able to bring 10k worth of items into wildy? :roll:

[Skill_Caster]

Eek, what a major blow this took to the game. AND, they mixed this with the Grand Exchange

 

 

 

The gp value of any item wagered in a staked duel is defined by the 'player value'. This 'player value' of an item will change according to any market fluctuations once the Grand Exchange has been introduced.

 

 

 

Which could cause even more instability in the market. An entry fee also? I bet some stakers aren't too thrilled with today's update.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Let me all help you get your facts straight: The SwiftSwitch riot did nothing to sway Jagex's stance on it. Only constructive and well-formed arguments against their decision did.

 

 

 

This riot won't do anything to sway Jagex's stance either, but it sure did highlight one glaring aspect of the game: we can't accept change.

 

 

 

I realize now that staking has been practically killed, but for a player that doesn't stake...ever, I couldn't see the harm in it. Allow me to share my views, if you would -- keep in mind I'm not trying to sound biased or anything like that.

 

 

 

The staking community makes up a portion of the community as a whole. This portion could be thought of as perhaps 27,000 players. These 27,000 players sculpt and design characters specifically for one task, and one task only, much like pures. Only thing is that these players also come into literally billions of gp. It could be argued (and seen) that these players take hundreds of hours to get to where they are, but a skiller could also do the same thing in hundreds of hours. (Only thing is that said skiller makes substantially less.)

 

 

 

The Dueling Arena has changed forever, but if you're going to go out and riot like it's the end of the world, then you should quit. Last thing we need is a whole bunch of "mature" players acting like brats when something changes the game up.

[ego_scorpion]

kdb148, your point of view is rather clear. You are indifferent to the fact that its severely crippling the play style of many people and not only that but you seem to be gloating about it.

 

 

 

Whatever, im not here to judge, im sure youll learn one day, one way or another.

[kdb148]

Learn what? How old are you, trying to tell me what I'll learn one day? :lol:

 

 

 

I don't really see how anything I've said is gloating. Some rule breakers used the dueling system to make money to real-world trade. Other rule-breakers abused the dueling system to undetectably carry out real-world trades. Jagex then changes the system to deal with the rule-breakers, and there is an outcry by everyone, most of whom seem to have neglected to read the details about how the new dueling system works. My point is simply that if people would take the time to actually look and see how the new system works, they would be able to have informed opinions and be able to intelligently comment on the pros and cons of the new system. Instead, all I'm seeing is people who now think that you can only stake 3k at a time, when that is obviously not the case.

[icecube]

Learn what? How old are you, trying to tell me what I'll learn one day? :lol:

 

 

 

I don't really see how anything I've said is gloating. Some rule breakers used the dueling system to make money to real-world trade. Other rule-breakers abused the dueling system to undetectably carry out real-world trades. Jagex then changes the system to deal with the rule-breakers, and there is an outcry by everyone, most of whom seem to have neglected to read the details about how the new dueling system works. My point is simply that if people would take the time to actually look and see how the new system works, they would be able to have informed opinions and be able to intelligently comment on the pros and cons of the new system. Instead, all I'm seeing is people who now think that you can only stake 3k at a time, when that is obviously not the case.

 

I agree with what you've said and feel the same way, however most stakers make money from overstakes and overstakes are a big part of their lifestyle. With the tournament duel, you can't overstake and can only make double (or xplayers) of what you put in.

[kdb148]

Which I agree, is a major shortcoming of the new system. What would be cool is if they added a way for people at higher levels to overstake lower ranked people. On the other hand, if someone is an expert staker, they can expect to win a $64 million tournament a fair amount of the time. It could make life more interesting and fun for the top stakers, to consistently fight the top competition for such prizes.

[ego_scorpion]

Learn what? How old are you, trying to tell me what I'll learn one day? :lol:

 

 

 

I don't really see how anything I've said is gloating. Some rule breakers used the dueling system to make money to real-world trade. Other rule-breakers abused the dueling system to undetectably carry out real-world trades. Jagex then changes the system to deal with the rule-breakers, and there is an outcry by everyone, most of whom seem to have neglected to read the details about how the new dueling system works. My point is simply that if people would take the time to actually look and see how the new system works, they would be able to have informed opinions and be able to intelligently comment on the pros and cons of the new system. Instead, all I'm seeing is people who now think that you can only stake 3k at a time, when that is obviously not the case.

 

 

 

You wouldnt be saying what you are if they made a change that directly crippled your play style, in fact, im sure you would be the first to complain.

 

 

 

Imagine it, like someone said, being able to only cut 3 trees an hour or do only 1 trade a day... you get my point.... I hope

[Harrington]

LOL, every major change gives rise to complaints and riots.... just deal with it.

 

 

 

Jagex have yet again (like hundreds of times before), have made a fantastic improvement to the game that the vast majority appreciate... so like I said... deal with it lol

[kdb148]

 

 

 

You wouldnt be saying what you are if they made a change that directly crippled your play style, in fact, im sure you would be the first to complain.

 

 

 

Imagine it, like someone said, being able to only cut 3 trees an hour or do only 1 trade a day... you get my point.... I hope

 

 

 

But that's a ridiculous comparison, and you (should) know it. I could imagine all sorts of changes they would make that would affect how I play the game, but just because I can think of changes like that that would irritate me, doesn't mean I would just knee-jerk start complaining about such a change without at least reading about the change, and deciding if there was a good reason for it. And more importantly, I wouldn't go spouting off about something before I knew what it was really all about.

[Lemeja]

Lol, stupid stakers. Who cares bout them, there idiots.

 

 

 

They're.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also agree that they have really gone too far, I mean they could at least have put a sensible amount as the 15 min limit. What RL trader would sell 3K gp?

[ego_scorpion]

 

 

 

You wouldnt be saying what you are if they made a change that directly crippled your play style, in fact, im sure you would be the first to complain.

 

 

 

Imagine it, like someone said, being able to only cut 3 trees an hour or do only 1 trade a day... you get my point.... I hope

 

 

 

But that's a ridiculous comparison, and you (should) know it. I could imagine all sorts of changes they would make that would affect how I play the game, but just because I can think of changes like that that would irritate me, doesn't mean I would just knee-jerk start complaining about such a change without at least reading about the change, and deciding if there was a good reason for it. And more importantly, I wouldn't go spouting off about something before I knew what it was really all about.

 

 

 

#1 to make 1 thing clear, I dont stake, I find staking extremely unstable and unsafe so I would never do it, but I am siding with them on this. Their playstyle was destroyed. And is my comparison really that ridiculous? They take out stakers to get rid of rule-breakers so why dont they take out woodcutting and mining to take out botters - would be equally stupid.

 

 

 

Oh well, im sure they will reconsider when enough people quit over this. All the $ stakers were bringing into the economy will play some role on this as well. But you go ahead and blindly condemn stakers and their playstyle.

[Barihawk]

kdb148, your point of view is rather clear. You are indifferent to the fact that its severely crippling the play style of many people and not only that but you seem to be gloating about it.

 

 

 

Whatever, im not here to judge, im sure youll learn one day, one way or another.

 

 

 

I'll give you one hint as to the true nature of this move.

 

 

 

Stakers will adapt and take the risk...elsewhere. Where Jagex wants them to take it.

 

 

 

I believe that this move was a less than subtle measure by Jagex to repopulate a very underused area in the game.

[the_tallest1]

The bickering is kind of sidetracking the discussion but anyways....

 

 

 

Do not allow one sided or unbalanced stakes. Dont let people stake 10 mil for nothing. This way the person buying $ is now at risk of not only not getting his $, but losing equal amount of $ if the seller dicides to horribly rip him off.

 

 

 

This is exactly what I was going to post. If Jagex's intended purpose was to stop RL trading and transfers to mule accounts, they could simply require that stakes be of equal value plus or minus 10%.

 

 

 

I don't stake, I've never staked, I didn't intend to stake before this update and even I think this is a really horrible solution to this problem. I don't find earning fast money to be the best thing ever but others do. What do I care if people win and lose 500M gp staking. All this update seems to have accomplished is mandating how you should enjoy this minigame..

 

 

 

Also, if this is any indication of the brainstorming that is going into the Exchange, I'd rather stand in world 2 all day selling things. :?

[kdb148]

 

 

 

Oh well, im sure they will reconsider when enough people quit over this. All the $ stakers were bringing into the economy will play some role on this as well. But you go ahead and blindly condemn stakers and their playstyle.

 

 

 

Please tell me where I condemned stakers. I'd like to see it. Merely pointing out that some stakers sell the proceeds of their stakes, and that others used the staking system to transfer items bought with real money isn't condemning anyone's style of play. If I'm not mistaken, many stakers have been caught real-world trading and banned, right?

[kdb148]

The bickering is kind of sidetracking the discussion but anyways....

 

 

 

Do not allow one sided or unbalanced stakes. Dont let people stake 10 mil for nothing. This way the person buying $ is now at risk of not only not getting his $, but losing equal amount of $ if the seller dicides to horribly rip him off.

 

 

 

This is exactly what I was going to post. If Jagex's intended purpose was to stop RL trading and transfers to mule accounts, they could simply require that stakes be of equal value plus or minus 10%.

 

 

 

That's exactly what they've done :?

[InkofDeath]

Jagex are morons as usual, I don't know what they were trying to achieve with this, but whatever floats their boats.

 

 

 

I feel extremely bad for the stakers, but I can't sympathize for them. It is a shame though that jagex killed their aspect of the game. Good Job Jagex on being idiots.

[the_tallest1]

That's exactly what they've done :?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you for being so literal. The same value without a cap. There, happy?

[whocares]

This is partly why I quit runescape.

 

 

 

Jagex cares more about stopping autoers and drop traders than it does about its actual players.

 

 

 

Why sacrifice something honest players enjoy, just because bad players are abusing it.

 

 

 

By the way, I'm not a staker.

[kdb148]

That's exactly what they've done :?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you for being so literal. The same value without a cap. There, happy?

 

 

 

1 mil for the top stakers seems a reasonable cap to me. It's not just poor players buying cash in the real world.

[icecube]

kdb148, your point of view is rather clear. You are indifferent to the fact that its severely crippling the play style of many people and not only that but you seem to be gloating about it.

 

 

 

Whatever, im not here to judge, im sure youll learn one day, one way or another.

 

 

 

I'll give you one hint as to the true nature of this move.

 

 

 

Stakers will adapt and take the risk...elsewhere. Where Jagex wants them to take it.

 

 

 

I believe that this move was a less than subtle measure by Jagex to repopulate a very underused area in the game.

 

Yeah that's a great point. \

[the_tallest1]

1 mil for the top stakers seems a reasonable cap to me. It's not just poor players buying cash in the real world.

 

 

 

I'm well aware; I never said it was just poor players (still unsure how that's relevant to high stake duels being uneven now). The 1M for the top stakers is limited to the tournament (I'll assume this is correct since I didn't commit the update in its entirety to memory.) The reason that isn't acceptable is because it makes the entire thing dependent on highest level combat. How fair is this? Even Pest Control was divided along lines and that's just cooperative, not competative.

 

 

 

You can't stake decently one on one in a way that won't potentially put you against someone far higher than you. They're very much concerned about being fair in so many other aspects of this game but not this one. The difference here is the gp making potential that "ruins the fun and enjoyment of the game as it was meant to be played."

[ego_scorpion]

That's exactly what they've done :?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you for being so literal. The same value without a cap. There, happy?

 

 

 

1 mil for the top stakers seems a reasonable cap to me. It's not just poor players buying cash in the real world.

 

 

 

Sorry, but I cant help but sense some strong jealousy on your part towards stakers. As if the fact that 99% of them end up getting cleaned out and losing everything eventualy isnt enough to justify them making so much $.

 

 

 

I say be and let be, but obviously that isnt the commonly accepted phylosophy.