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[Hi9im8Here7]

Is there any way that JaGex can keep people happy?

 

 

 

It may look like everyone is about to quit, but in the long term, the game will still be going strong (not saying I agree with his update).

 

 

 

Though I can say for certain that runescape will never be the same.

 

 

 

Is there any way we can avoid these updates and make them understand that we don't want these updates, and they need to pose a better solution to the RWT problem?

 

 

 

I have tried that for almost a year. I doubt you or anyone else will be able to make any headway, especially when you consider how long it took them to do this.

 

 

 

Again, in no way am I supporting Jagex on this. I think getting rid of the free market (in a game at least :-w ) is a bad idea. And I doubt this will get rid of the goldfarmers. They'll probably just turn to hacking accounts or something.

[NoMoreDead]

GREAT points.

 

 

 

I've added my opinion on what's going to happen at the bottom of the first post.

[highlanders]

Well, a lot of damage is done already. Even if they did a rollback, some players would be lost in the proccess because they dropped their items, don't trust Jagex anymore, or similar reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that alot of the people threatening to quit are not going to go through with it. But, on the long term, when the dust settles and people start slowly disliking the game, that's when it's going to hurt. A lot of people are going to stay and wait to see what to do in the following months. And if they feel annoyed overtime with all that has happened, they won't stay.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't know if Runescape will even manage to survive. By the looks of it in the dev. diary on RWT, Jagex was losing a lot of money, and I don't think they are very strong financially right now.

[King_Peter18]

Well, a lot of damage is done already. Even if they did a rollback, some players would be lost in the proccess because they dropped their items, don't trust Jagex anymore, or similar reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that alot of the people threatening to quit are not going to go through with it. But, on the long term, when the dust settles and people start slowly disliking the game, that's when it's going to hurt. A lot of people are going to stay and wait to see what to do in the following months. And if they feel annoyed overtime with all that has happened, they won't stay.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't know if Runescape will even manage to survive. By the looks of it in the dev. diary on RWT, Jagex was losing a lot of money, and I don't think they are very strong financially right now.

 

 

 

Runescape is\was a fad. I think the kiddies are finding another fad, and the serious players are being driven away by the company. Sad to see such a unique game be changed like this. They make RWTers sound like terrorists or something.

[Bobbington]

The game has been changed massively, but I am unsure if it is actually for the negative, Sure I am sure every single player in the game will have some small or major issue with one of the updates, for me it is the unbalanced trades...

 

 

 

But in the long run, with a few tweaks I am sure Jagex will make, I think it is probably for the better, now please don't take me as generalizing here.... as it is defiantly not true for allot of people, but with pkers, stakers, and merchants gone, is it possible that the games community will become massively more mature, and this game become a better place.

 

 

 

Pkers (especially edgville pkers) as a general group are recognized as one of the most disruptive community in the game after band new players, is it possible that we would all be happier with the new system?

 

 

 

I have no doubt that with no rwting or autoers this game will defiantly improve, and am amazed to see Jagex as the first MMORPG company to make such drastic efforts. If it works in it's task I really belive that most other popular game will follow, with the dangers in all aspets that rwters bring.

[NoMoreDead]

IMO If they bring back the wilderness before Christmas, they stand a SMALL chance of bringing back enough members to keep the game relativly stable.

 

 

 

However, if that new item trading thing does indeed come out, then runescape will definatly begin it's downfall and, I fear, may end up dying out.

[King_Peter18]

The game has been changed massively, but I am unsure if it is actually for the negative, Sure I am sure every single player in the game will have some small or major issue with one of the updates, for me it is the unbalanced trades...

 

 

 

But in the long run, with a few tweaks I am sure Jagex will make, I think it is probably for the better, now please don't take me as generalizing here.... as it is defiantly not true for allot of people, but with pkers, stakers, and merchants gone, is it possible that the games community will become massively more mature, and this game become a better place.

 

 

 

Pkers (especially edgville pkers) as a general group are recognized as one of the most disruptive community in the game after band new players, is it possible that we would all be happier with the new system?

 

 

 

I have no doubt that with no rwting or autoers this game will defiantly improve, and am amazed to see Jagex as the first MMORPG company to make such drastic efforts. If it works in it's task I really belive that most other popular game will follow, with the dangers in all aspets that rwters bring.

 

 

 

I have to disagree with your last statement Sir\Ma'am. Other MMORPGs don't have to deal with this problem as much because, they aren't browser based. They don't have as big of a problem, because it is harder for "script kiddies" and "gold farming\item farming" companies to code auto bots for those games.

 

 

 

And another thing, I don't think that the other MMORPGs are willing to slap their customers in the face because of some cheaters. But then again, I may be wrong. Looks at Vista and the killswitch. Who knows.

[NoMoreDead]

^^^ Very true.

[Huganut]

Hahaha, vista...

 

 

 

Anyways, I personally rejoised when this update came out. Really I was incredebly happy. Now I'm kinda without an opinion. Why?

 

 

 

Well, at first us F2Ps (yes I'm one of THOSE) finally got some stuff, as in a LOT of stuff. I tried everything out on the spot. Clan Wars is pretty good, even very good a few tweaks and it will be a real hit. But Bounty Hunter... Oh Boutny Hunter...

 

 

 

There really is something wrong with it. I am level 65 and all i know is that the higher levels team up and pile you so you just run back out wait 30 seconds and try your luck again. It's jsut incredibly unproductive. The 90s get nothing since everyone jsut runs back out and us lower levels don't get anything because... Well we jsut run back out!

 

 

 

You say "Well then don't run out!", why shouldn't we? We're being piled by a bunch of 90s that have very high strength, attack and defence. In the end, we can't hit them but they're busting throught the armor easily.

 

 

 

 

 

Now for the macros... Ah macros... This is wonderful since it's dead. Dead, dead, dead. Dead! No more RWT, no more BILLIONS of macros at the yew trees (start training wc people there's going to be a shortage of yew logs soon), no more mass selling of lobs by them (aother shortage right there let's get fishing people). All this will create much more jobs and will iron out the economie from the mess is was...

 

 

 

But now... The drop limit? The trade limit? PKING???

 

 

 

No more private partys... Well We can do without I guess but still kinda lame. No more merchanting? Well I don't really mind no more scams... Well not more than 3k anyways... But then again no more gifts (more than 3k (oooh 3k[/sarcasm])), no more loans. Is that it? Oh wait theres more, PKing... No more! I meen there's bounty hunter but... Well as said before it's messed up. ITt's going to have to be twicked dramatically.

 

 

 

I don't really know where I'm goign with all of this... Oh maybe some suggestions?

 

 

 

I don't have much but first of all, a pourcentage of 5% no more no less on items might be better then 3k... I mean really...

 

 

 

Also, maybe there could be some way to um... Give some credit to all the good little boys and girls of the world? Atfer a period of time playing, leveling skills, ect. Maybe we should be given the right to give to others or receive from others that have the same right? I really don't know how this would work but if it could work out (if anyone understands me please state so because I think I jsut lost everyone... including myself) it would permit us to make drop partys again and such. maybe in certain locations... I really do not know.

 

 

 

 

 

If that hole post made any sence please tell me it's late and I kinda jsut needed to get al the jumble out.

[NoMoreDead]

I had a thought...Perhaps they could impliment this system.

 

 

 

The system of trading would be based off of your total level. Which means the higher you're total level is, the more room you have to work with.

 

 

 

With each incriment of 10 levels a character increases, the more room they have with the wealth system.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Character A is total level 30. He can trade and lose or gain 5k in any trade. So if A wants to buy a rune woodcutting axe (Let's say the axe's price in the GE is 11k-13k), he must offer between 5k of the minimum and maximum of the GE prices (IE: 6k-16k).

 

 

 

Character B is a total level 1900. He can trade and lose or gain 1.25M in any trade.

 

 

 

As of right now, I'm to tired to elaborate on that system. Let me know if I have something going there.

[aspokaspofkjsopfkapo]

I think jagex could've put ALOT more work into this update and they're realy trying hard not to make it seem like they messed up big time. Why do they need a forum thread? Everyone of my friends put in a complaint and listed ways that it could have been fixed

[Owned_Nex]

Look at the numbers...

 

 

 

From 200k players at once to 120k at last check.

 

 

 

Look at forum. Every section that has to do with PKing, Staking, Rants, Suggestions, bla bla bla that has to do with update, ALL 50 pages on that 1 thing. Dare you to prove me wrong. On the official topic in rants, its about 20 posts per min.

 

 

 

Bounty HUnter is basically a "lure". You teleport to target...Unless you have a team...

 

 

 

Oh no, you are dead.

 

 

 

And now they say "it's for the good"

 

 

 

I find that insulting tbh, we arn't THAT stupid.

 

 

 

GF Runescape.

[Hi9im8Here7]

I had a thought...Perhaps they could impliment this system.

 

 

 

The system of trading would be based off of your total level. Which means the higher you're total level is, the more room you have to work with.

 

 

 

With each incriment of 10 levels a character increases, the more room they have with the wealth system.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Character A is total level 30. He can trade and lose or gain 5k in any trade. So if A wants to buy a rune woodcutting axe (Let's say the axe's price in the GE is 11k-13k), he must offer between 5k of the minimum and maximum of the GE prices (IE: 6k-16k).

 

 

 

Character B is a total level 1900. He can trade and lose or gain 1.25M in any trade.

 

 

 

As of right now, I'm to tired to elaborate on that system. Let me know if I have something going there.

 

 

 

You do. Alot of people have come up with the same idea. Personally I think there should be a wider limit for the really high levels.

 

 

 

Unfortunately I don't think Jagex ever thought of this.

[Dracion1]

Not a chance that the drastic bits will be removed (although tweaks will be made). As Enzo Ferrari once said: 'The customer is not always right'.

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

 

 

 

OUTRAGEOUS. JaGex is trying to control their own markets, and control the persona of the game itself. I, for one, cannot believe the travisties they are bestowing upon people like pkers, law runners, ect.

 

 

 

Oh noes! Jagex is trying to control their own game?! What is this world coming to!!!

 

 

 

And I don't see how it affects runners of any sort or will. Jagex has thought about rune running and will have something for it when the trade restriction comes out in January.

[Fey_Warrior]

The game has been changed massively, but I am unsure if it is actually for the negative, Sure I am sure every single player in the game will have some small or major issue with one of the updates, for me it is the unbalanced trades...

 

 

 

But in the long run, with a few tweaks I am sure Jagex will make, I think it is probably for the better, now please don't take me as generalizing here.... as it is defiantly not true for allot of people, but with pkers, stakers, and merchants gone, is it possible that the games community will become massively more mature, and this game become a better place.

 

 

 

Pkers (especially edgville pkers) as a general group are recognized as one of the most disruptive community in the game after band new players, is it possible that we would all be happier with the new system?

 

 

 

I have no doubt that with no rwting or autoers this game will defiantly improve, and am amazed to see Jagex as the first MMORPG company to make such drastic efforts. If it works in it's task I really belive that most other popular game will follow, with the dangers in all aspets that rwters bring.

 

 

 

I have to disagree with your last statement Sir\Ma'am. Other MMORPGs don't have to deal with this problem as much because, they aren't browser based. They don't have as big of a problem, because it is harder for "script kiddies" and "gold farming\item farming" companies to code auto bots for those games.

 

 

 

And another thing, I don't think that the other MMORPGs are willing to slap their customers in the face because of some cheaters. But then again, I may be wrong. Looks at Vista and the killswitch. Who knows.

 

 

 

I'd have to disagree here.

 

 

 

A certain popular 'disk' based game is actually the most targeted for RWT and is currently undergoing a tumultuous time. A lot of the software used to play those games is actually pirated/hacked/stolen software IDs. Those games actually have as many difficulities detecting it and some players (probably the RWTers) are unhappy and threatening those companies due to extra software packages installed silently with the game updates/downloads in order to stop tampering.

 

 

 

Players who think it's just RuneScape facing these problems will be sorely disappointed I'm afraid as tipping points in other MMOs occur, and developers are faced with making drastic changes or being overwhelmed by those who seek to exploit these games for illegal RWT/RMT.

 

 

 

Else the mounting illegal trade will lead to external pressures forcing change upon these other game developers, as credit card companies and other billing agencies attempt to squeeze our online fraud from their transaction bases.

 

 

 

Then governments, with various arms of Taxation, Customs and Law Enforcement will also be progressively coming down harder on developers who don't deal with these serious issues facing any 'virtual world' that allows any form of trading or interaction between players online.

 

 

 

Players who close their eyes to Internet crime will only face another rude awakening as these changes sweep through the MMO industry, and game developers respond by attempting to combat the incursions of these illegal traders and their negative impacts on both game worlds, and the people that play within them.

 

 

 

Jagex is the one taking the first steps though to truly fight these problems, so it seems they are willing to take the chance, given others will likely have to follow anyway.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Fey.

[willyhenriksen]

Well, I'd say that RS isn't in any trouble. Yesterday I watched the "now playing population" rise above 230k players. This is WITHOUT macroers. People are still playing this game and as long as there is someone RS isn't in trouble.

[jaymista]

Its a shame because your are unable to fund your characters...

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

^It's a shame that people have become so stupid and lazy that they are unable to be self-sufficient.

[Mico]

^It's a shame that people have become so stupid and lazy that they are unable to be self-sufficient.

 

 

 

True, being self sufficient now is much easier and faster. I tought alot more players would start getting raw material. Almost no compettition at all. Though not many people have some high skilling levels to get alot of money that way, skilling really takes time and monster drops are just much faster and commonly a richer gold mine. Atleast that' s my oppinion.

[Vishap]

I say we let them quit. As for me, I'll be sticking with Runescape until a lawsuit finally brings Jagex down. :twisted:

[TheWilch]

i havent played runescape since july, but i have kept up with the updates and big points on the fourm here. i think jagex's latest updates have definatly killed the runescape i played, but then again they killed the one i loved playing before anyways (RSC) people adapted to rs2 and acted just like this. i think after a month or so people will calm down and accept the change just like every other update so many hated.

 

 

 

my only fear is. is jagex pushing good players to sell there own accounts because the games soooooo bad now :shock: '

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Bxpprod]

As mentioned in other threads, I'm pretty happy with the latest update from Jagex. There are a couple of issues I have (quest points defining the trade limit), but this has been countered with the creation of the Grand Exchange. Sure, most people will be buying at the "average" price (if you will accept the word average), but there are individuals that will be desperate to buy and will pay the highest price.

 

 

 

They have (temporarily I believe) removed Player Killing (PKing), whilst compensating by making Duel Arena available in F2P as well as having this new bounty hunter game. Some of you will be thinking that they have ruined the game, but they have been proactive in the attempts to balance out the changes. Of course, there are tweaks to be worked out.

 

 

 

Sure, there are people that are pissed off about the changes (strikes/mass "retirements"/protests) and that is their decision to make. But, as with everything else in life, it is 100% impossible 100% of the people 100% of the time with changes and decisions. I accept that they've made the changes, and I can spot that they are trying to balance stuff out (especially whilst attempting to stamp out Real World Trading - which is unfair for all) by adding new items to balance out changes.

 

 

 

Sure, people are saying that that this is the end of Runescape, or that it is irreversibly broken, and again, that's their opinion. I for one am enjoying the fact that their is the Grand Exchange (fast sales and purchases) and reduced macro numbers.

 

 

 

I for one, don't believe this is the end, but rather a new beginning.

[foodmanfood1]

although that update was terrible, people wont quit, theres still loads to do, usually...