Higher combat levels

[Str4lif3]

If you ask me, 100+ combat hasn't been rare since Pest Control was released.

 

 

 

What he said.

 

 

 

I've seen level 126s with untrimmed cooking cape which imo is a bit nooby (im 126 with 4 combat 99s xD)

 

 

 

1 level away from being 125 with untrimmed fletch. I'm working on 132+ (i saw a level 132 with untrimmed hits, i want to beat him :) )

[Infernosage4]

If you take a super set, your opponent is likely to take more damage/second, and you less damage/second, than without. If you have a steel titan, your opponent is likely to take more damage/second, and you less damage/second, than without.

 

 

 

Sorry, what were you saying about a difference?

 

 

 

I wasn't talking about damage/second. You didn't understand my point. You make a good point as well, but that isn't the idea I was trying to portray. All I'm saying is that Herblore isn't directly involved with combat like Summoning is.

[Tbfgraphx14]

Heh, 101 combat, f2p and p2p. 1 summoning ftw? :D

[magzar]

If you take a super set, your opponent is likely to take more damage/second, and you less damage/second, than without. If you have a steel titan, your opponent is likely to take more damage/second, and you less damage/second, than without.

 

 

 

Sorry, what were you saying about a difference?

 

 

 

I wasn't talking about damage/second. You didn't understand my point. You make a good point as well, but that isn't the idea I was trying to portray. All I'm saying is that Herblore isn't directly involved with combat like Summoning is.

 

 

 

ok think about it this way

 

take the extra damage dealt and the damage avoided by using a super set

 

now remove those from the character, and turn them into a creature

 

there you have it that super set has now become a familiar

 

 

 

in ancient times it was very common to see animals involved in battles

 

hence the phrase dogs of war

 

 

 

now picture this

 

a man, 6'3" 265lbs

 

versus

 

a man 5'11" 200lbs

 

and

 

an irish wolfhound around 3 ft tall and 130lbs

 

 

 

tell me who has the advantage

 

summoning is a combat skill like it or not

 

 

 

and it seems to me that the only people complaining are the ones too lazy to make the effort to raise it

[green9090]

I wasn't talking about damage/second. You didn't understand my point. You make a good point as well, but that isn't the idea I was trying to portray. All I'm saying is that Herblore isn't directly involved with combat like Summoning is.

 

 

 

There's no difference. One looks different to us, but it boils down to the exact same thing, so there's no point arguing it; the only thing important is the damage/second.

[Gilformen]

average combat levels have definantly gone up a bit since summoning was released, especially when people got the first few summon levels, like 1-40. those were quick, easy levels that boosted their combat. but after that, not many people are seriously training. at 52 summon, about 120k xp, i was ranked 50,000. thats a higher rank than my 71 smithing. from what im seeing, people get a few quick combat levels, then dont pay much attention to it.

 

 

 

but having the option of easy training has been around at least since pest control was released. and thats still a very popular minigame.

 

 

 

i used to be in the anti-summon camp, i wanted 99 range at 96, and since i foolishly got 25 summon on the day of release, i got my goal at 99 combat instead. i kicked myself so much for those few levels i got in excitement during the first day, i hated it. i wasnt one of the "smart" people who stayed at 1 summon, and i wasnt actively training it either. i figured since i had 25, and i was already "messed up" i'd get 52 for the terrorbird, since it would be useful in gwd.

 

got it, liked it, now ive spent the past week ranging my butt off at fiends (where i am as i type this) going for 68.

 

 

 

right now, theres a group of people very supportive of summoning. theyre also the people that usually have lots of money/experience who used it to their advantage early on. theres another group that thinks its a pointless, wasteful, skill, not an actual combat skill, and want to keep their "real" combat level.

 

and theres people in the spectrum between those two.

 

 

 

basically, i thought by now people would be more supportive of it. i think summoning has been tainted since its the first new skill since all the trade and other updates. its the messenger, in a way, and people dont like it. maybe some think that since jagex changed so much of the environment into something they dislike, that they dont want to enjoy the a skill they gave the players.

 

 

 

or maybe im just reading too much into this.

 

 

 

~Gilf

[RyderJ]

I never respect people based on their combat level, anyway. But if you must, just subtract 8 or so, and you'll have even overcompensated for the levels they cheated on by using summoning.

[mrpez]

i was 126 f2p 133 p2p when i played

 

 

 

many lower levels are now 120+ with summoning. summoning blows, it shouldnt have affected combat.

[Aneron]

Maybe I'm old fashioned, maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't think that inventory space should determine your combat level. I also don't think getting someone or something else to help you defeat a creature should give you combat levels. Combat was one of the last things that wasn't buyable and required hard work. I am very adamant on my stances and will not be changed. Combat level to me is F2P; always will be.

 

 

 

Inventory space is not the only thing summoning influences. Summoning makes you more powerful in combat, and as such raises your combat level. Combat has been buyable for a long time between prayer, chinning, cannoning, piety, and ice bursting.

 

 

 

You can't raise summoning to a reasonable level without fighting, its a combat skill: it increases your ability to take and inflict damage.

 

 

 

It doesn't increase you're respect, maturity, game intelligence, niceness, honesty, or any other genuine traits that you see from legitimate high levels that have determination and can actually comprehend these people/social skills

 

 

 

Precisely.

 

 

 

Err what are you talking about? There were tons of stupid high levels before summoning. Hell, there were tons of stupid high levels before pest control. Maxing prayer or strength doesn't increase your intelligence or maturity any more than maxing summoning does.

 

 

 

Anyone who says summoning is a worthless skill has obviously never taken any amount of time to look into what the familiars actually do.

[Seraphi]

Summoning will be my last skill I ever raise. I refuse to have a combat level that is skewed. I am 117 and will never have to say my "real" combat level.

 

 

 

It's ridiculous to see the amounts of low levels that have turned into stuck up 100+ that don't know what they're talking about.

 

 

 

summoning is just as respectable a skill as prayer -.-

 

the question "whats your real combat level" is stupid.

[Wlbob]

As said before, I think that the effect of summoning on cb lvls isn't nearly as big as the effect of pest control.

 

It doesnt really matter that you see alot more cb lvl 100's, now you just have to adjust your view on cb lvls

[godsfearme]

I just have to say when I started the topic I never thought it would start the debate about the qualities of higher levels.

[wildy58]

idfk what you people say but tbh, i don't like:

 

 

 

The new *high levs* that now own a certain spot at bandits. (One noob said he bought the training spot at bandits)

 

 

 

And like people saying that someones a noob and uses summoning, or in other words another word for the noob-tionary

[Marduk_God]

Truth be told, combat levels haven't been anything special since Classic. No, this isn't a post about "how much better it was back then" - because, it wasn't, not really. However, it did feel like a closer "community" because back then, a high combat level really was something out of the ordinary, and pretty much every single 115+ was relatively well-known.

 

 

 

This started to go downhill with rs2 and the eventual implementation of methods that facilitated the training of various skills - ectofuntus etc., and most of all Pest Control. Since then, the game has seen an ever-increasing amount of "high level players", to the point where nobody is even surprised anymore to see a 126 (in f2p)/138 (in p2p) around - let alone that all high level players know each other by name.

 

 

 

All this was to be expected, however. As the game progresses, an increasing number of people attain higher levels, and they (the highest levels, not the people) lose a bit of the mystical aura that is attached to them. It's like that super-expensive must-have oddity: when only a few people have it, it's exciting, glamourous and even a bit "mysterious", but as soon as it becomes so common that everyone and his neighbour have it, it quickly loses much of its original appeal and splendor.

 

 

 

~Mardvk

[noobs r us]

u know i think the point of rs isn't comparing lvls and clicking over and over again to gain a high lvl *fletching* the point is to have fun. :D i'm a lvl 80 and i rarely train. I've been playing rs since 05 and i would say most peeps that started around then are way higher than me but i don't care. i don't really care about summoning as i have always been a f2p and even if i become p2p i doubt i will grind summoning lvls. I only train when i'm bored or when i want to.