Obesity and Airlines

[rushrock]

But don't forget that there are still medical conditions that complicate everything, and because of that, a specialist would be helpful, if not needed.

[jackattack]

Well for the average obese person they don't need anything. You don't need a fancy gym membership or diet to lose weight. I mean if your fat bastard status you might need to check with a doctor.

[IGoddessI]

I meant medical conditions, like diabetes.

 

 

 

Depends what type of diabetes. If you developed it from eating too much, you don't have my sympathy. Try eating healthier, that alone can rid your body of the medical condition.

[jackattack]

Adam Morrison FTW!!!!

[Lenin64]

This is more on the subject of diabetes than obesity on airlines, but how do you acquire it later in life, but not from eating everything that doesn't move? About two years ago, my neighbor, very active, never ate crap, she got diabetes. Don't remember which type, do both of them require insulin shots? I don't think there was a family history, just sorta happened. But how?

[IGoddessI]

http://www.healthinsite.gov.au/topics/Types_of_Diabetes

[speedofsound]

 

If you want to give free seating to obese people, then you'll have to start giving it to people with cancer, people who've been abused, and so on.

 

 

 

Really, it's a single mathematical question. If their damn butts take up two seats, they pay for it. It's sad and all if it's a disease or genetics that they have no control over, but life's unfair, deal with it. Most of them are fat because of their own fault.

 

 

 

You proved my point about people not reading posts.

 

Know what has been said before you go making stupid posts.

 

 

 

I do support this rule eventhough it's morally wrong (for me). I do not like the idea of completley humilating someone like that, especially humiliating someone over something they probably already feel bad about. Logically though, it makes sense. Depriving someone else of a seat they payed for because of a problem you have (even if it's not your fault) causes a lot of issues. If a person pays for the amount of space they need, it's no longer an issue.

[rushrock]

Oh yeah, for the average "fatty", I don't have much sympathy, as was my original stance. They need to get their acts together.

 

 

 

I meant medical conditions, like diabetes.

 

 

 

Depends what type of diabetes. If you developed it from eating too much, you don't have my sympathy. Try eating healthier, that alone can rid your body of the medical condition.

 

Well, Type 2 can be a bit hereditary, but it can also be caused too. But nevertheless, it's not a matter of asking for sympathy, it's complication. Diabetes complicates medical things for people, and a specialist is very helpful, again, if not needed, in these situations. That's all I'm saying.

 

 

 

And diabetes can be controlled very well, but it never leaves the body.

[bloodyhatchetbear]

Oh yeah, for the average "fatty", I don't have much sympathy, as was my original stance. They need to get their acts together.

 

 

 

I meant medical conditions, like diabetes.

 

 

 

Depends what type of diabetes. If you developed it from eating too much, you don't have my sympathy. Try eating healthier, that alone can rid your body of the medical condition.

 

Well, Type 2 can be a bit hereditary, but it can also be caused too. But nevertheless, it's not a matter of asking for sympathy, it's complication. Diabetes complicates medical things for people, and a specialist is very helpful, again, if not needed, in these situations. That's all I'm saying.

 

 

 

And diabetes can be controlled very well, but it never leaves the body.

 

 

 

At least here in Massachusetts, people can get free health care if they have diabetes. Usually a specialist can help with weight loss/control as well as blood sugar.

 

 

 

Yes, even hereditary diabetes can occur later in life without any lifestyle influences. Some women actually get gestational diabetes when pregnant, and it can escalate into full-blown type 2 diabetes from there. It actually happened to my mother, which is why she has some of her issues with weight, although she isn't nearly as bad as some people (she is also extremely "top-heavy" and it would honestly kill her if she lost weight and her health care won't cover "cosmetic surgery" even though it is a health issue, plus she tries to be active but half the time she can't move due to neuropathy + lupus + heart conditions... none of which have anything to do with lifestyle choices.)

 

 

 

BTW this does not cover the "average" fat person. Your average fat person is usually below the 300lb mark. (I'm your average fat person, and I'm about 240-ish, but I'm "fat in all the right places" ;) ) This is about your above-average, tip-the-scales, almost morbidly obese person.

[IGoddessI]

The effects of diabetes type 1 non insulin dependent can be reduced to pretty much nothing by healthy eating and exercise - This was proved on the biggest loser by one of our very own Australian, Shaun. The doctor couldn't find any trace of it existing in his body after he lost something like 70 odd kilos.

 

 

 

Speed - I read your post, did you read mine?

[speedofsound]

The effects of diabetes type 1 non insulin dependent can be reduced to pretty much nothing by healthy eating and exercise - This was proved on the biggest loser by one of our very own Australian, Shaun. The doctor couldn't find any trace of it existing in his body after he lost something like 70 odd kilos.

 

 

 

Speed - I read your post, did you read mine?

 

Yes I did. Thoroughly.

 

My latest post was not directed towards you. I don't think you are the kind of person who would start talking about a subject without knowledge of what has already been said.

 

 

 

You are right, there is tons of help available. I guess in the end it does (in most cases) boil down to a lack of effort. Thinking about it, that's not why I was angry in the beginning. What really set me off was people being so quick to judge another person. I hate that. It's happened to me and it feels horrible.

[rushrock]

The effects of diabetes type 1 non insulin dependent can be reduced to pretty much nothing by healthy eating and exercise - This was proved on the biggest loser by one of our very own Australian, Shaun. The doctor couldn't find any trace of it existing in his body after he lost something like 70 odd kilos.

 

Type 1 diabetes, and non-insulin dependent? By definition, Type 1 diabetics require insulin. And Type 1 diabetics tend to lose weight when they don't take their insulin, right?

 

 

 

And that doctor, well, I don't really know what to say about that? I'm almost 99.9% sure it doesn't leave the body. Maybe it was just well-controlled, and the effects were almost non-existant?

[IGoddessI]

Sorry Rush I'm not with it today getting clumsier and more forgetful each day and I only just posted the site lol I was meaning to say type 2 :D You should see how long it takes me to remember what to get out of my rs bank account when doing slayer...

 

 

 

As for the last comment I'm presuming it was just a figure of speech. I'm not suggesting *poof* it magically disappeared. I can't research it at the moment as I'm just about to hop out for the day but if someone can either prove or disprove that comment, we'll both know lol However, even significantly decreasing it to the point that it's practically but not literally non existent is amazing.

 

 

 

As for developing diabetes in pregnancy, I have 3 lovely blood tests to look forward to, testing for it in August lol

 

 

 

I do have an interesting question though. Say we were to agree on obese passengers not paying for two seats due to medical conditions. Would we consider an obese person who developed diabetes by poor nutrition choices and exercise as a legitimate medical condition?

 

 

 

There may be a line we need to draw there too? A lot of people love more cushion for the pushin' but seriously... not many like to be lost in the cushion :o

[Lenin64]

The thing is, though, that a line for that is hard to draw. No real way of knowing, without already having the person's medical history, how they got diabetes in the first place, and so they can't know if it's something they can let them slide on.

[Happysniff]

They're doing this because of fuel prices. It's a plausible idea, after all its the fat persons fault for being fat

[doomy]

I find it stupid how much of the blame for obiesity is blamed on school canteens, we're losing like all our food without a "helth tick" if its healthy or now, total bs if your 15 and a half and like 55 kg. Al,most nobody at our school is fat.

 

 

 

And I agree with the extra prices, its up to your to maintain your health and fitness at a good level, there are some rare exceptions though, and thats where the rule should be ignored.

[Flodder450]

I once saw an episode of Air Crash Invastigation:Dead Weight

 

a few passangers were to heavy,then the plane rolled and then crashed :shock:

[DaN]

I think it's perfectly fair, If your using 2 seats you should pay for them.

 

 

 

You need to be VERY obese in order to not fit in an airline seat, sure there not as big as your armchair at home but a normal person should fit with room to spare.

 

 

 

Ill admit I love fast food this thread has got me longing for a big mac (A topic on obesity makes me think of McDonalds! what does tell that you?)

 

but it dosen't mean I have to eat one everytime I feel like it. Im always hungry, it's natural but I also know the cost (both financial and health) of eating a dozen big macs per day so I simply don't do it. People who do feel hungry all the time and go along with it are the ones who end up obese, It also comes down to what you choose to eat not just the quantity.

[limpbizkit]

They're doing this because of fuel prices. It's a plausible idea, after all its the fat persons fault for being fat

 

 

 

So its my fault im overweight then?

 

Its my mums fault shes overweight ... And cant do anything about it with being disabled?

 

Stfu you moron. -.-

[RichieMcD]

They're doing this because of fuel prices. It's a plausible idea, after all its the fat persons fault for being fat

 

 

 

So its my fault im overweight then?

 

Its my mums fault shes overweight ... And cant do anything about it with being disabled?

 

Stfu you moron. -.-

 

 

 

If you have no disability then yes it is most likely your fault, if it's in your genes it just means you must work harder to shift the wait like a less intelligent person would have to work harder to achieve good grades.

[IGoddessI]

Limp don't take it so personal! If she is disabled for reasons beyond her control then obviously she isn't the cause of it now is she? On the other hand if you're not disabled, have no medical conditions and you don't exercise or eat right then yes it is your fault you're overweight. Telling people to stfu isn't going to make them apologize or pay anymore attention to you. Don't take offense to something that obviously doesn't apply to you nor your mother. The only way I could see that you take offense to this, is if it were true. Put down the base ball bat of defense and take a chill pill.

[limpbizkit]

Limp don't take it so personal! If she is disabled for reasons beyond her control then obviously she isn't the cause of it now is she? On the other hand if you're not disabled, have no medical conditions and you don't exercise or eat right then yes it is your fault you're overweight. Telling people to stfu isn't going to make them apologize or pay anymore attention to you. Don't take offense to something that obviously doesn't apply to you nor your mother. The only way I could see that you take offense to this, is if it were true. Put down the base ball bat of defense and take a chill pill.

 

 

 

Im starting to hate you with all your good points .. :(

[IGoddessI]

I feel bad for you man, my mum is in and out of hospital so know how sometimes things can be a bit too close to home especially when you love someone. In all honesty though, it doesn't apply to your situation and you know that your mum isn't at fault so much respect to your family and smile :D Things could always be worse.

[limpbizkit]

I feel bad for you man, my mum is in and out of hospital so know how sometimes things can be a bit too close to home especially when you love someone. In all honesty though, it doesn't apply to your situation and you know that your mum isn't at fault so much respect to your family and smile :D Things could always be worse.

 

Yeah disabled mum ... Dad I refuse to see .. Mental problems .. Could be death. :P

[IGoddessI]

3rd world child, has no mother, has no father, has bigger problems than mental and is looking forward to death every day.