INFINTEBAJAN2 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 with the election buzz here in the U.S.A i want to here your reasons why you would vote for either of the presidential candidates. you can also say why you would not vote for them I won't vote for Obama, Why? because he's BLACK!!!!! [hide=]the obama thing was dripping of sarcasm[/hide] the mods are riding my ass for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I hate them both. McCain's warmongering, old, and has been tortured. Obama's young, a rookie, and very inexperienced. I vote Buchanan on this one. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 There is no good choice in the polls this year. End of story. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 It's not so much a vote between the two as voting against Obama. I mean McCain is wrong on a lot of things. He's still better than Obama though. He's got a far better understanding of the war, a much better energy policy, *says* he'll balance the budget, and the supreme court are probably the main ones. I mean as a person McCain is probably the guy in congress I would respect most after Daniel Inouye. He should have run for President. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I'd vote for Paris Hilton. Did anyone see her "campagin ad"? It was surprisingly funny. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0l0lpur32 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I'm not from the US, but I would probably vote McCain. Both of the candidates aren't very good, but Obama reminds me a bit too much of Tony Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilev Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 if anyone watched the daily show or the colbert report you will notice how big of an idiot mcCain is being right now, paris hilton is used negativly in a campgian for McCain, yet her grandfather gave alot of money to McCain. McCain mocks Obama about tire gagues and even goes out to make tire gauges promoting Obama, little does McCain know, that virtually everyone actully agress with Obama about keeping your tires properly inflated can actully save you a good deal of money. If McCain is acting dumber the Bush and he isn't even the president yet, im just ganna move to the UK seriously, i can take another 4 years of this country destorying itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 ^^ It's the daily show. They're not exactly going to portray him in a good light or show anything relevant. And who cares about Paris Hilton? My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scootlaboot Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 ?if anyone watched the daily show or the colbert report you will notice how big of an idiot mcCain is being right now, paris hilton is used negativly in a campgian for McCain, yet her grandfather gave alot of money to McCain. McCain mocks Obama about tire gagues and even goes out to make tire gauges promoting Obama, little does McCain know, that virtually everyone actully agress with Obama about keeping your tires properly inflated can actully save you a good deal of money. If McCain is acting dumber the Bush and he isn't even the president yet, im just ganna move to the UK seriously, i can take another 4 years of this country destorying itself. Why cross the ocean, when Canada is just a stones throw away? :-k Personally, I'm voting for Obama. Why? Because I flipped a coin and it came out tails. If you choose your beliefs/lifestyle simply based on what your parents want, then you are a weak minded individual and are not even worthy of calling yourself a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaziek Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I usually dont vote, but I might vote obama this time, just for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 For America as a Whole: Obama was the best candidate this year, by far. I mean, we're headed for a recession, McCain doesn't know anything about economics or economic policy, he wishes to keep the course with Iraq while ignoring the rest of the world and Maliki and head into a war with Iran, while at the same time ignoring where the terrorists are in Pakistan (although I personally disagree with the obsession with Bin Laden, catching him will do nothing). His views on education are awful...vouchers, and allowing school districts to allow Creation "science" if they so choose, he has some of the worst votes for veterans benefits, his civil rights record is lacking, I could go on. Now, I am not an Obama supporter, but more of an endorser. He and I disagree on almost every issue except for abortion, and abortion is just a wedge issue that doesn't even matter as the courts decide that. His insight with what would happen in the middle east if we invaded was spot on, and time and time again I am impressed with this. Unlike Kerry, he knows how to re-frame the debate by allowing a convergence of right and left politics to the center for compromise, and has continued to show that he is a centrist rather than a liberal-progressive. However, America doesn't need a liberal progressive like Kucinich, we need a man who can unite both sides together, and give people the ability to see that they're the change we've been waiting for. How do we reform campaign finance? Be that change. Make calls, register voters, get there and volunteer. Too many people are apathetic in this country, and it shows with the ignorance and knowledge. There's alot of discussion about Obama being a socialist and re-distributing wealth. Certainly, the man is not a wolf hiding in socialist's clothing, but it is appearant that he cares enough about the MAJORITY of citizens to ensure that the US resources are distributed evenly ENOUGH to guarantee access to basic services, sort of. I mean he's not advocating the health care, education plans that I'd like, but it's definitely a start. It's always interesting to me to see how Americans refer to European socialist policies as being somehow evil. Certainly in Europe, there are rich and poor but the MAJORITY of people have a higher quality of life. Why? Because taxes have paid for efficient transport to and from work, because taxes have paid for health care systems were all citizens can access care, because taxes have paid for schools where people are not graduating en masse being illiterate. In case most Americans have not noticed, the US is moving towards a society like Mexico. If you are rich, you live in enclaves behind walls and have access to great health care and schools. If you are middle class, you struggle like hell just to stay afloat. And if you are poor, you are excluded from basic services. So when Americans are so against paying taxes, maybe they should think of living in a society like Mexico in the future. And how much of US taxes really go towards this "redistribution" that everyone fears? And how much goes to the war in Iraq, Social Security, and the interest on the public debt that Mr. Bush has helped to push to record levels? The funny thing about all of this debate is that the quintessential Republican policies of small government and low taxes have been promoted by Mr. Bush. What happened? The dollar fell, spending still continued at a brisk pace, the financial system is in turmoil, and most Americans are worse off than when Clinton was president. Why do Americans think taxes is a dirty word? I heard that the US is spending is about $10 billion a month on the war in Iraq. No problem, say the people. No problem, says the Congress. But when a $3 billion bill to ensure working class child reached the President's desk, he vetoed it because it was a waste of money. Hmmm. The US government nearly outspends the rest of the entire world on defense and no one says a word. But when a relatively small spending bill comes up that will provide vital services and improve the quality of life, the people are crying bloody murder. Would you rather spend a little money on American human beings that alot of money of bombs? It's hard to see that Americans are not a war mongering people when you look at the American polity makes its spending priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Just wanted to pip in that McCain would at least know a good deal more than Obama on nearly every issue. He's been in the Senate for nearly 30 years, I believe, and Obama's been in it for two. So I definitely wouldn't hail Obama as the knower of all. On another note, did you know Obama was born in Honolulu? I thought that was a pretty cool little fact : catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I mean, we're headed for a recession, McCain doesn't know anything about economics or economic policy, he wishes to keep the course with Iraq while ignoring the rest of the world and Maliki and head into a war with Iran, while at the same time ignoring where the terrorists are in Pakistan (although I personally disagree with the obsession with Bin Laden, catching him will do nothing). His views on education are awful...vouchers, and allowing school districts to allow Creation "science" if they so choose, he has some of the worst votes for veterans benefits, his civil rights record is lacking, I could go on. And Obama somehow knows more about the economy? If McCain picks Romney he's set. Romney is the kind of guy who could really fix this country. In Massachusetts he went from a 3 billion deficit to a 700 million surplus. And how on earth are vouchers awful? Now, I am not an Obama supporter, but more of an endorser. He and I disagree on almost every issue except for abortion, and abortion is just a wedge issue that doesn't even matter as the courts decide that. His insight with what would happen in the middle east if we invaded was spot on, and time and time again I am impressed with this.The President picks the justices Unlike Kerry, he knows how to re-frame the debate by allowing a convergence of right and left politics to the center for compromise, and has continued to show that he is a centrist rather than a liberal-progressive. However, America doesn't need a liberal progressive like Kucinich, we need a man who can unite both sides together, and give people the ability to see that they're the change we've been waiting for.Who really knows how to compromise? Who has a long track record of going across the aisle? Who's walked the walk? How do we reform campaign finance? Be that change. Make calls, register voters, get there and volunteer. Too many people are apathetic in this country, and it shows with the ignorance and knowledge.You sure don't reform campaign finance by saying you will take public financing and then going back on your word when it becomes politically convenient. You also don't do it by making up lies like when Obama said McCain and the RNC are "fueled" by lobbyists and pac's when in reality together less than 2% of their money from them. Or saying McCain has taken 2 million from oil companies when that has been illegal for almost 100 years. Would you rather spend a little money on American human beings that alot of money of bombs? It's hard to see that Americans are not a war mongering people when you look at the American polity makes its spending priorities.Obama want to increase the military by something like 100,000 people. Good thing to me but I guess it wouldn't be to you. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssalwhip Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 with the election buzz here in the U.S.A i want to here your reasons why you would vote for either of the presidential candidates. you can also say why you would not vote for them I won't vote for Obama, Why? because he's BLACK!!!!! [hide=]the obama thing was dripping of sarcasm[/hide] Flamebait waiting to happen. Mccain = 2nd bush and we all know what a great job he did, not very bright and, LETS GO NUKE DEM YEAAAHAW! Obama = more free crap for blacks and "CHANGE!1!11!!!SHIFTONE1!!!" No I'm not being racist so please no riding my [wagon] Your name is "bet you fail", and you're starting a business with your mom? I'm not even going to touch that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Servo Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Both candidates are pretty terrible this election, although not as bad as the Bush-Kerry election. Talk about lesser of two evils.... Anyway, I will probably vote for McCain (hehe my spell check wants me to correct it to moccasin....moving on....). Obama seems to be all talk. He keeps blabbering on about change but never explains how he's going to carry out his master plan. Besides that, he already flip flopped on troop withdrawal. Plus that the Democratic party is pissing me off with the excessive amount of propaganda spewing out from them (check out their website, it's disgusting. The Republican site is somewhat better...). What really makes me mad is how people are blaming Bush for the recession. It's just like when President Hoover was blamed for the Great Depression and shows how stupid people are. Recessions happen. It's part of the business cycle. McCain may be acting like a jackass right now, and some of his ideas are half-baked, but at least they even exist. McCain wants to build new nuclear power plants to take pressure off the energy crisis, but Obama says no. So what's the Democrats plan? NOTHING. They have nothing. They just say we need energy independence, but they don't say how. McCain's ideas may not be perfect or, hell, even good, but at least he's are trying. I URGE people to look at the Democratic party's website AND the Republican Party's website and compare them. Yeah, they both say bad things about each other, but look closer. On the Democrats' website they say they are going to change something, don't say how or give any ideas, then bash the hell out of McCain. On the Republicans' website they address the issue and give SOLUTIONS. And better yet there is no Obama bashing. That shows to me that the Republican party actually knows what they are doing and is trying to solve problems, and that the Democratic party is riding out there almost guaranteed win by sitting out and bashing the opposition. Until the Democrats get their crap together and offer some freaking ideas, I'm supporting McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Obama already showed his a flipflopper. Typical politician. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterxman Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Obama. He's liked internationally in a time when the world hates the US. He's more likely to end the Iraq war than McCain. Don't need a lot of experience to get my vote, Bush had plenty of experience and look how well things turned out. Pixel sigs by me.Pixel Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scootlaboot Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Obama. He's liked internationally in a time when the world hates the US. He's more likely to end the Iraq war than McCain. Don't need a lot of experience to get my vote, Bush had plenty of experience and look how well things turned out. True, but I'd still rather have Bill back in office. If you choose your beliefs/lifestyle simply based on what your parents want, then you are a weak minded individual and are not even worthy of calling yourself a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Obama. He's liked internationally in a time when the world hates the US. He's more likely to end the Iraq war than McCain. Don't need a lot of experience to get my vote, Bush had plenty of experience and look how well things turned out. True, but I'd still rather have Bill back in office. Hillary ran a lot more than Bill. I wish Lincoln could be president. Mainly because he'd be a skeleton. And nobody would [bleep] with a country whose leader is a skeleton. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufoman Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Mage killer: Bush has done anything but make a smaller government with lower taxes. He created homeland security (or at least substantially expanded it) as I recall, and a ton of other government agencies, that don't really seem worth the expense. We already have the FBI and CIA why do we need homeland security exactly? He has not exactly been the candidate I thought he would be, when he said the troops get to stay in Iraq for longer tours, and not get a raise it really got me mad at him. But this is not about bush, it's about his two likely successors. Myself I don't plan to vote for either of them. McCain comes off as somewhat weak, and he also worked with Ted Kennedy to try and pass the so-called comprehensive immigration reform. So-called because from what I heard tucked somewhere inside that monstrosity they called a bill was something that would of given amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. Comprehensive immigration reform should be done one bill at a time, each addressing a different part of the problem. Asides from that I think he's damaged goods- being held prisoner and tortured for so long by the Vietnamese... did any one watch the Manchurian candidate? This is not to say he is not a nice, likeable guy (a guy who served our country in the Vietnam War and suffered horribly at the hands of the Communists), I just don't think he is the right man for this particular job. As for Obama... shall we go down the list. Well their is his paster reverend Wright- that guy is guilty of sedition as far as I'm concerned. Obama took his sweet time to distance himself from that man when the recordings broke out. I have also heard he is more radical than Hillary Clinton... if I didnt like Hilary, why would I like him? He only has a few years experience as a senator, and what's more he's a man with very little history as I understand it. Can any one bring up something memorable that he did before running for president? Not that I would know as he is not from my state... and I don't follow politics all that well. In general I do not like the policy's that his party have always represented... take away our guns, raise taxes, impose affirmative action against the better judgment of the states, Impose the fairness doctern, legalize the illegals, and raise our taxes. Oh yeah, don't forget letting the military rot in order to pursue social programs (like Al Gore selling part of our strategic oil reserve to the lowest bidder) Lets see... I like guns in the hands of law-bideing, sane citizens. I happen to like the military (want better pay for soldiers- it's terrible). I like low taxes thank you very much. I want our boarders locked down tight. And I like freedom of speech. So theirs my reasons for not wanting to vote for Obama either. Before you start about how the republicans are no good either know that I don't like either of the two main party's. They each have allot of corrupt, dishonest politicians (and a few good one's), and they both (in my opinion, this whole thing is my opinion) act in a very self serving manor for themselves and their constituents (the elite that run this country). One thing I do like about Obama though: Jessie Jackson hates him (heard the comments about Obama not being black enough?). So in closing I plan to vote for a third party candidate this year, or none at all. Why should we the American people continue to play into this two party system? Why should we vote for the lesser of two evils year after year? What has it gotten us? We have 8 years of Clinton :^o , and 8 years of Bush :wall: to show for it. Clan Moderator from December 15th 2006- August 20th 2007Founder of: Terran Gamers, formerly known as Militos Deci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Pirates Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I don't even need to post who i'd pick, i'm sure 99% of Tipit knows who I want. BR BR BR? HUEHUEHEUEHUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushrock Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Obama wants to bring back the time when American politicians were more united and worked towards common goals. He's someone who, I think, can really make a difference. I think he can unite people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Well seeing that McCain doesn't even try to change Bush's flaw... "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolguy972 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I'm gonna vote for McCain because when he invades Iran we can yell "MONOPOLY!" and start putting hotels on Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Obama wants to bring back the time when American politicians were more united and worked towards common goals. He's someone who, I think, can really make a difference. I think he can unite people. I hear he says that, but I'm not sure. It could be I'm just blinded by his inexperience. And llcool, that was very, very funny. : catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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