The Average Runescapers' Moral Value

[bean824]

I personally am a very poor RS player, so when I die and lose 600k worth of stuff its a massive loss. Many a time I've died somewhere through lag or whatever reason and found my gravestone wasn't even repaired. One time I asked someone when I was there and they said they didn't see it.

 

 

 

And I am actually sickened by some people on here. How can you just let people lose their items like that? I mean sure, if they're ignorant then they deserve it, but just because they didn't talk doesn't mean that they have to lose their items.

[BabyPunchers]

 

And I am actually sickened by some people on here. How can you just let people lose their items like that? I mean sure, if they're ignorant then they deserve it, but just because they didn't talk doesn't mean that they have to lose their items.

 

 

 

But because they didn't talk, i feel no connection to them. And hell, if they're dead, I can train with one less person there. And I don't feel guilty about that. Because I could care less if a 12 year old cries because he lost his Dragon Scimitar.

[cheapshotu]

This is sad but it's the truth of it. This game is filled with bad people.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if it's so much an issue of bad people as immature people. That's not to say there aren't plenty of bad people on RS, there certainly are, but a lot of it can just be chalked up to immaturity.

 

 

 

I know personally, I repair graves whenever I find them, as I can't bless them cause I don't have the prayer level to do so.

[BabyPunchers]

This is sad but it's the truth of it. This game is filled with bad people.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if it's so much an issue of bad people as immature people. That's not to say there aren't plenty of bad people on RS, there certainly are, but a lot of it can just be chalked up to immaturity.

 

 

 

I know personally, I repair graves whenever I find them, as I can't bless them cause I don't have the prayer level to do so.

 

 

 

I don't see how not repairing/blessing a grave is immature. But then again i could be reading that wrong. Either way, I'd rather spend my prayer points on Piety than on blessing some level 60's grave.

[cheapshotu]

This is sad but it's the truth of it. This game is filled with bad people.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if it's so much an issue of bad people as immature people. That's not to say there aren't plenty of bad people on RS, there certainly are, but a lot of it can just be chalked up to immaturity.

 

 

 

I know personally, I repair graves whenever I find them, as I can't bless them cause I don't have the prayer level to do so.

 

 

 

I don't see how not repairing/blessing a grave is immature. But then again i could be reading that wrong. Either way, I'd rather spend my prayer points on Piety than on blessing some level 60's grave.

 

 

 

I was responding more to what magma said about RS being full of bad people, and then just sort of threw in that last bit. Whether you bless a grave or not doesn't really determine your maturity/moral character, IMO. I mean, if you do, then hey, good for you. If you don't, whatever, ya know?

[llamster]

Even if a person was rude or mean to me I'd still bless his gravestone if he died. The fact that he was rude doesn't mean blessing his grave isn't the decent thing to do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[3rkid]

Even if a person was rude or mean to me I'd still bless his gravestone if he died. The fact that he was rude doesn't mean blessing his grave isn't the decent thing to do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

 

 

If that person who died was an [wagon] to me and stole my kills I would definitely NOT repair/bless their grave. He/she got what was coming to them.

[BabyPunchers]

Even if a person was rude or mean to me I'd still bless his gravestone if he died. The fact that he was rude doesn't mean blessing his grave isn't the decent thing to do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

 

 

 

 

But it is a lot more fun.

[spyderownzyou]

I bless all the graves I see, regardless of what i'm doing, in the hope that if I died some random stranger would do that for me :? :roll:

 

unless...the grave belongs to someone that has been insulting me or my friends or annoying us (robbing kills/being a idiot/mimicking us etc.) then we watch that person's grave fall apart, talking about how much of a [cabbage] they are in clan chat or in public when they return (moaning about losing there items), so much fun :twisted:

[Julius47108]

I'd bless a gravestone whenever I could bless one (being that I have 61 prayer and not 70 at the moment) even if they were mean to me. My conscience can't live with that person being sad and I couldn't get to sleep at night. Sometimes being that way really hurts you but when someone cusses you out and calls you a noob, you have person respect for yourself and no noob is going to change that.

[Zox]

More players means more selfish people playing. Think about how greedy the average person is, now realize that 50% of everyone in the world is more greedy than that.

[nightzero]

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Honestly, this is how I see it and this is how I play. I don't mean to be rude by the way I play so if anyone who reads my post thinks it is rude that is fine it's your opinion.

 

 

 

When I go to GWD with a random team of people I do not know, I won't bless the grave for the simple fact that the items he's dropped and lost could go up or down in price cause there's 1 less of them available in the game. Also I don't bless the graves because I may need my prayer at some point and because I don't know these people and I most likely won't see them again.

 

I'll remember to make sure I dont go GWD with u ;)

 

 

 

On a serious note: Who cares if you dont know them....maybe you blessed that guys grave...you two start chatting...become really good friends...etc,etc

 

My point is that sure you dont know them but if you act like that all the time...you wont know anyone...any why? just because of an extremely stupid idea that you think prices will go up/down....tbh thats the worst excuse ive ever heard of, id more respect to ppl who say "b/c i dc" then you.....srsly you are THE example of the average runescapers moral value going down...

 

 

 

Btw generally I never see people like that......when gravestones didnt exist I remember going to black demons with my fire a bunch of expensive equipment. I forgot my anti-fire...took the pipe shortcut lagged and got wtfpwnt by a blue drag. Anyway these people didnt even see me but when i got back both of them traded me. I thought they were gonna mock me by showing what they got but I was extremely surprised when both of them gave me stuff back, almost 15mil in total.. that was probably the nicest thing any stranger on rs has done for me, and they were both lvl 70-80. Anyway sounds cliche but i added them both to bl and to this day were still friends :

[/hide] yah so not all people would take the items in old rs and we usuallyy had 1-2 threads a month of people questioning "was i wrong to take these itemS"

 

 

 

maybe the 70-80 werent to focused on money or thinking thats way more than they will ever need not like now when everyone cant even be satisfied with 4m or so.......

 

 

 

Yea back then even I would take peoples items sometimes....i mean cmon if you dont know a guy you just made some free cash....but not blessing a grave is just mean, at least before graves you would get richer, now they lose money and u gain nothing...other than a guilty conscience.

[Aegis Titan]

Don't know if this really has something to do with it but if you look at bounty hunter, well you can see that there isn't a moral at all. Ok maybe some people, but these aren't very common.

 

 

 

For example:

 

If you get a kill in bounty, you get specialed time after time by 1 itemers sometimes even without ammy... You can't move because you're constantly eating. Even though those guys won't get a thing, they just have fun in trying to pile jump you and knock you out. I wonder why would this make sence? Why ruining it for the other guy even though you don't get loot? Not even some rogue points? This guy is just trying to play the game like it should be played and not 1 iteming... If I see a 1 itemer kill another one I barrage him right away and then special him down. Because I just hate them, they try to ruin most people their fun, and if they've pickup penalty, it's free dagger for me. But to a guy that has some decent gear, well I won't hurt him, not even when he has a penalty or gray skull.

 

This also might have to do with the fact that I alway get killed by random locating 1 itemers, or when I'm barraging a guy who is my target, from a distance, they'll just pile. To help my target or trying to knock me out.

 

I mean what's the point? It's probably the fact that they can feel supperior over you even though you've better gear, or it's because you can do something... Like me with barrage, they just want to go and stand outside and say: "omg I koed the barrage noob!!!"

[BabyPunchers]

 

 

 

Yea back then even I would take peoples items sometimes....i mean cmon if you dont know a guy you just made some free cash....but not blessing a grave is just mean, at least before graves you would get richer, now they lose money and u gain nothing...other than a guilty conscience.

 

 

 

 

 

Meh, I got rid of my conscience about two months ago. Life's a lot more fun without it.

 

 

 

But really, they lose money, but they gain the insight to not be an [wagon] to everyone or they realise they're too weak for that training spot. And by not blessing their grave, I still have my 70 prayer. :)

[PastyGangsta]

My moral value is... I don't like cheap kills (this does not include safespotting since thats the way range and mage were intended). Things like in Bounty Hunter where you just run up and spec, thats bullcrap. I like a challenge, makes the game more fun.

[nightzero]

 

 

 

Yea back then even I would take peoples items sometimes....i mean cmon if you dont know a guy you just made some free cash....but not blessing a grave is just mean, at least before graves you would get richer, now they lose money and u gain nothing...other than a guilty conscience.

 

 

 

 

 

Meh, I got rid of my conscience about two months ago. Life's a lot more fun without it.

 

 

 

But really, they lose money, but they gain the insight to not be an [wagon] to everyone or they realise they're too weak for that training spot. And by not blessing their grave, I still have my 70 prayer. :)

 

Nah I think I like it better with my conscience, makes me less of a b(cabbage)ch.

 

And it has nothing to do with being a "cabbage" to everyone or being too weak....im lvl 121 and ive died at black demons...why...because of lag...guess what the other dude blessed my grave even though we hadnt said a single word.....and then we kept talking :D

 

By the way everyone has a conscience you cant get rid of it, you can just be a douche and ignore it.

[Ravenkana]

I'd say the moral value in this game is higher than ever before.

 

There ain't pking for loot, so there ain't luring anymore.

 

(Of course Jagex is intent on inviting the e-thugs back this winter. -.- )

 

And since you can't get stuff from people's misfortunate deaths at monsters, that got rid of door noobs, and other tricksters who liked to make people die.

I'm tired of people blaming Pk'ers and their like on the decay of morals within the game. Look around you. Since they "left" are things really THAT much better? No. Runescapians are still as immature, rude, and selfish as ever.

[Kazel]

The truth is, if you die in this game there should be no second chances. Gravestones ruined the danger in this game.

 

 

 

I agree that Gravestones ruined the danger level. That's not to say you SHOULDN'T bless a gravestone if you happen to see one. They're implemented in the game, nothing we can do about that, so we might as well take advantage of it.

[asianboy7o7]

it does not take an hour to kill 40 hob/goblins

 

and some imps to get a hammer

 

 

 

ill bless a gravestone depending on the place

 

 

 

once in the ice giant /warrior there was a lvl 60 or so he had 4 hp left asking for food knowing the ice giants and warriors were unaggresive

 

 

 

at 4hp he runs out and says "bless my gravestone when i die" attacks an ice giant and dies

[Randox]

What comes around goes around. Karma. [bleep] someone over now and watch someone else [bleep] you over later. When I was F2P, I used to help people with quests, but once I hit high 60's to 70-71 combat, people stopped asking (I never forve myself on anyone, but for some quests I would put myself in a likely place to get asked such as killing black knights in their fortress), probably because they now percieved he as a 'high level jackass', and I dont blame them. They probably asked people in the 70's for help before and were told to go [bleep] themselves and be nooby someplace else.

 

 

 

Anywhoo, I would have looted a corpse pre gravestones. Heck, I still have several thousand fire runes from when I was f2p and before the RWT crusade. But, since looting is not an option anymore, I see no reason not to bless a grave (or repair since I lack the prayer to bless). Sure, some people will point out that yes, I would have looted that corpse if possible, but there are 2 things to consider. First, I gain nothing by not blessing, and losse only a few meger prayer points. If I am in a situation where I need prayer, I can garuntee that I have all the pots I will need, plus 1 or 2 more since I feel better safe than sorry is a good motto, so its not like I would be sacrificing a trip since something else is going to run out first anyways. Second, the circumstances have changed. As I said, I have nothing to lose or gain (accept gratitude and the nice feeling a normal human gets when they help another in need). Before, if I didn't loot a corpse someone else would (poor excuse I know :mrgreen: ). And actualy there were cases where I returned items (or most of them), though I never had teh fortune to find a 40m drop but I am sure I would grab all that I could. If it were a friend I would have returned the stuff, and so with friends I will gladly keep there items safe for as long as I am not endangering my own items, at wich point I will save my own [wagon].

 

 

 

I don not log into the game to help every person I find at my own expense, but neither do I log in to thwart them either. With some exceptions, I do not begrudge the occasional passerby a few minutes of my time or some advice/instruction. I am not some level gaining crazy hardcore dude. I don't even like training most skills for more than half hour to an hour (there are exceptions), and so even as a member, I like to help people to break up the monotoney of the day.

 

 

 

Basicly, if at all possible, I will not take an action that I know would adversly affect another player (I am not saying I give up all the mining rocks but more thatI don't send them off to dangerous places). If not taling an action would adversly affect another player (ex. not blessing grave), then I will endevour to take that helping action if possibe and not tremendously inconvenient. If asked for advice, I will always give it, but I tend to be more stingy now when help reqires me to follow them around while gaining nothing. I will always try to render aid to people if possible and not horribly inconveniant. Sometimes I charge for services (such as the giving of food 97% of the time), sometimes I don't. I play for myself, but with consideration of other people.

[Smage]

Something it is not just the Moral Value, it is simply the psychology of human.

 

 

 

Think it this way, an accident happen and many a time, people will crowd around it and looking and not doing anything. Do they not have poor moral value becacause they don't help? Not really.

 

 

 

To put it simply, you will get more help when there is less people around. Because when there is a group of people, each of them would not do anything because they think other people who do it, so it the end nobody do anything to help.

 

 

 

And as mention earlier in the threads by other forumers, the criteria for helping might simply due to you are friends with the other person (inner-circle), you like the stranger (first impression) or simply that there is nobody around but you (as I see alot of example with you, a single person with the gravestone not you + a team with a gravestone) which boils down to the Crowd vs Few people effect.

 

 

 

Neverthless, it is social psychology and socialogy of a person that will determine whether he/she will help or not. Also remember economics, helping the person used up prayer cost and sometimes the opportunity cost is simply not worth to incur :P

[SwreeTak]

Never go gwd with people you dont know..

 

 

 

Completly true. Because the moral of most RS players today is, as the thread started said, bleeped up. Completly bleeped up to be honest. This is very sad, but we can all make it a little better by not being one of those players, by blessing graves, helping new players and so on.

[Wee_Man317]

Runescape was better way back when, IMO it has become "infested" for lack of a better word, with 11 year olds trying to get rich quick and having no compassion for anyone else, examples include nicking spots at places like blue dragons where there are limited spots available.

 

 

 

Just last week i asked a player if i could use his spade for a minute to plant my tree, as i had forgotten mine *cursed leprachaun ate it i think* but the response i got was

 

 

 

"no noob get ur own u poor noob"

 

 

 

It's the little things like this...if i had asked a more mature player, they would surely have lent it me, wouldn't they?

 

 

 

I believe that older players are generally better company than younger ones. Older players don't mind sharing pearls of wisdom, lending out low valued items, *that does not include using the item lending feature as everyone has a different opinion on this* by low value i mean things like a pickaxe, a harpoon, tele runes. Low levels from my experience have generally been the ones who value their pixels over friendship.

 

 

 

*oh noes i can't bless that guy's grave i might not have enough prayer to save myself*

 

 

 

Knowing full well there is an altar in the same damn room, sure he could have avoided dying, but in the end he maybe got unlucky, it's entirely his fault, put yourself in the other person's situation, example you lag really bad as a virus scan hits you, you can't put prayer on fast enough and die, as you die you cancel the virus scan as quickly as possible, praying that someone has blessed your grave. Finally you are lag free, you tele to trollheim and begin work on the kill count, only to see the dreaded message "your gravestone has collapsed" you wouldn't be so happy with other people if they'd stood there and watched it go, would you?

 

 

 

If only the game was like it used to be, where everyone nkew everyone in a world and everyone was friendly, most of the time you get cold shouldered when asking any kind of question.

 

 

 

I have found that the majority of younger players have no respect for, or care about, anyone but themselves, so why should they expect to be treated with respect and care? why do i find myself blessing the grave of someone who just called me a sad noob? because i feel that if someone protects him, it may just save someone elses stuff in the future. Prayer is EASILY regained, so why hesitate to use it?

 

 

 

P.S ~ Nice post Randox

[Roseiah]

I know that I personally have morals and compassion in Runescape, but they do get tried and tested a lot by the general Runescape community. I think a lot of people assume that people are idiots and treat them as such, when the majority of people, aren't.

[BabyPunchers]

 

By the way everyone has a conscience you cant get rid of it, you can just be a douche and ignore it.

 

 

 

Then I do this. Again, a lot more fun. ;)