Runescape vs. WoW (RWT)

[No_99_Melee]

Before you readers start assuming I am talking about Runescape versus World of Warcraft in terms of gameplay let me just say you are mistaken and need to continue reading... (It's also not a bring back wildy/free trade thread -.- )

 

 

 

Well we all know what happened with Runescape and RWT, how it "destroyed" pking and laissez faire. What you may not know is that RWT doesn't only happen in Runescape, but other popular games such as World of Warcraft. One of my friends in real life who plays WoW as opposed to Runescape has told me a lot about the selling of gold online and that it can fetch quite a fortune for high levels in game (I don't support, but then again I don't play WoW so I also don't care).

 

 

 

My question is why has Jagex had to go through such extreme measures to remove it when a much more popular game such as WoW still has RWT + pking + Free Trade? When I asked my friend this very question he told me that in WoW it was easy to spot Bots and Real World Traders based on thier appearance. I told him about Mr. Baldheaded Goatee wearing a brown shirt and green pants (not hard to differentiate in Runescape). After this he simply didn't know.

 

 

 

So why do you guys think Jagex had to do what they did in order to eliminate this threat whilst Blizzard is able to go about without worrying about it?

[Dragons_Might]

Because WoW has tried to get rid of RWT. They had a lawsuit agains some major RWT companies and I'm pretty sure won, Idk the details though, someone posted it on TIF a while ago comparing it to jagex's approach.

 

 

 

And Jagex stated how out of hand RWT was. Runescape is free, so had alot more RWT than any other MMO. I'm pretty sure they stated that in 2007, 500b+ in gold was RWT'ed, and thats just what they were sure was in RWT, not even counting the stuff they didn't catch. They estimated that within a few years, not even 3 I think, it would become a few trillion a year. Thats alot of gold RWT'ed... I dont think another MMO will get close to that out of hand.

[Aresgodowar]

compared to other games it is relatively easy to farm gold. take guild wars for instance. if im not mistaken the cap for cash is mebe under 1m and definently under 2m

[BloodArgon]

Runescape is the only free MMO that I know of that there is heavy RWT.

 

 

 

You cant compare WoW and RS in terms of bot amounts.

[Zox]

They were so much worse before, at least now it has died down a bit.

 

 

 

Congrats on the hilt btw.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

It's not that Blizzard didn't care about it, it's just that they went about it using an inefficient and expensive method.

 

 

 

Let's think about it for a second. WoW and RS have rules against RWT, and both frown upon it. Now consider that RWT companies can pop up out of nowhere, and disappear just as quickly. Not to mention, international laws often times make it tricky to legally pursue someone for this kind of breach of contract.

 

 

 

Jagex did it the effective way. They control their own game, not the worlds' legislation, so making changes in-house is way, way, way, way, waaaaaaaaay easier than going after one RWT company.

[Dragon_lord]

So far, RuneScape is the only MMORPG I've played that doesn't focus mainly on PvP. World of Warcraft may have boss monsters and other activities, but the fact remains that it relies on PvP to be as successful as it is.

 

Lawsuits are expensive, Blizzard can't go around suing every RWT merchant out there. But they decided having some RWT and bots stay in their game is a sacrifice they might have to make. This way, they won't loose many customers and keep the game as it is.

[InkofDeath]

Jagex had to remove RWT's because RWT's in Runescape wasn't just one company, it was basically small to medium sized cells operating in various locations around the world. Thus impossible to do a lawsuit. Or that's how a mod explained it quite a few years back.

 

 

 

Anyways in RuneScape, the economy is extremely influential if you have 'enough' gold. The RWT's eventually got this amount and they had been influencing prices on many items. And as you could tell, first it was trees, then essence miners, then fisher miners, and even runecrafting[/i] RWT's started to appear selling nature runes.

 

 

 

It was getting to the point that the economy wasn't based by players alone in the majority. Thus Jagex decided it wasn't going to happen any longer.

 

 

 

WoW & Runescape are different in this way, you have to pay for WoW thus the RWT's isn't going to be as huge as Runescapes will be. Runescapes will always be 4-5x worse, as the items that are most popular were usually available in free servers. And the fact you could make $1200 a week alone with a 4 man RWT group, there's wikipedia articles on it.

[Gravy]

Jagex prefer to solve their own problems.

[krisc6]

In wow , Gold farmers and power levelers who are obviosuley 3rd party companys grinding on a mob are just another way for me to get honor.Its died down a lot now, trade chat spam was ridiculous but i dont see it anymore and alot of RWTers are just giving up because theres not much money left in the business of sleling gold.

 

 

 

Selling accounts still happens but its more, my wife gave birth and i cant play anymore so im just going to sell my main.

 

 

 

I would have rather had the RWT trade changes never happen, you could have just made gatherer skills unlockable via 40 quests so they cant just make tonnes of bots at once, but sometimes to fix a games issues youve got to break them continually before you can fix it.

[999134]

In wow , Gold farmers and power levelers who are obviosuley 3rd party companys grinding on a mob are just another way for me to get honor.Its died down a lot now, trade chat spam was ridiculous but i dont see it anymore and alot of RWTers are just giving up because theres not much money left in the business of sleling gold.

 

 

 

Selling accounts still happens but its more, my wife gave birth and i cant play anymore so im just going to sell my main.

 

 

 

I would have rather had the RWT trade changes never happen, you could have just made gatherer skills unlockable via 40 quests so they cant just make tonnes of bots at once, but sometimes to fix a games issues youve got to break them continually before you can fix it.

 

 

 

well done u have just got a ban from hidden jagex moderators

 

(yes i am paranoid >.>)

[bored321]

It wasn't just the fact that the bots were ruining the community, it was because of all the chargebacks jagex was getting from accounts from bots that used false information, or credit card fraud. And because of this was loosing alot of money. They said if they didn't do it when they did a few years down the line they would have had to close Runescape.

 

 

 

Blizzard on the other hand, is a much larger well established company that probably could quite easily afford the loss, but as its not f2p (by that i mean you have to buy the game not just membership) the amount of bots/chargebacks is a lot lower than that of jagex.

[pulli23]

It wasn't just the fact that the bots were ruining the community, it was because of all the chargebacks jagex was getting from accounts from bots that used false information, or credit card fraud. And because of this was loosing alot of money. They said if they didn't do it when they did a few years down the line they would have had to close Runescape.

 

 

 

Blizzard on the other hand, is a much larger well established company that probably could quite easily afford the loss, but as its not f2p (by that i mean you have to buy the game not just membership) the amount of bots/chargebacks is a lot lower than that of jagex.

 

Could you quit that "credit fraud argument" already? - It's a pretty bad reason as there are lots of other ways to beat it (for example use a third party thing like paypal instead: This might cost a bit more but I for one would gladly pay those 0.30 euros extra to get some wilderness feeling again!).

[Mercifull]

@pulli23: There is already a huge black market for paypal accounts for non Runescape purposes. Changing from credit cards to paypal would not solve the problem of fraud ant instead might increase paypal fraud from people keylogging paypal users or phishing.

[bored321]

It wasn't just the fact that the bots were ruining the community, it was because of all the chargebacks jagex was getting from accounts from bots that used false information, or credit card fraud. And because of this was loosing alot of money. They said if they didn't do it when they did a few years down the line they would have had to close Runescape.

 

 

 

Blizzard on the other hand, is a much larger well established company that probably could quite easily afford the loss, but as its not f2p (by that i mean you have to buy the game not just membership) the amount of bots/chargebacks is a lot lower than that of jagex.

 

Could you quit that "credit fraud argument" already? - It's a pretty bad reason as there are lots of other ways to beat it (for example use a third party thing like paypal instead: This might cost a bit more but I for one would gladly pay those 0.30 euros extra to get some wilderness feeling again!).

 

 

 

Because it was the reason! Using paypal and any other method does not prevent charge backs, infact paypal is one of the worse methods, as its so easy to recall payments. All of Jagex's payment methods use third party services already. Please get your facts correct before flaming me.

[pulli23]

@pulli23: There is already a huge black market for paypal accounts for non Runescape purposes. Changing from credit cards to paypal would not solve the problem of fraud ant instead might increase paypal fraud from people keylogging paypal users or phishing.

 

 

 

uhm you really think people try to do anything at paypal for RUNESCAPE :roll: If one could hack paypal you would easily earn a lot more. But the main thing is: even if there's any fraud at paypall, it won't be JAGEX troubles anymore.. That's the reason why 3rd party things can help!

 

 

 

Besides for the possibility to "recall payments": well this isn't that easy, and the one who gets the money "knows" when the recall isn't possible anymore. JAgex could just wait with giving membership during that period.

 

 

 

 

 

Also if credit card fraud is "so easy": why do other companies don't have troubles with it?

[SwreeTak]

RS is free. That's the main reason. That's why it came much more bots to the game and why RWTing became so big in the game.

[Mercifull]

@pulli23: There is already a huge black market for paypal accounts for non Runescape purposes. Changing from credit cards to paypal would not solve the problem of fraud ant instead might increase paypal fraud from people keylogging paypal users or phishing.

 

 

 

uhm you really think people try to do anything at paypal for RUNESCAPE :roll: If one could hack paypal you would easily earn a lot more. But the main thing is: even if there's any fraud at paypall, it won't be JAGEX troubles anymore.. That's the reason why 3rd party things can help!

 

 

 

Besides for the possibility to "recall payments": well this isn't that easy, and the one who gets the money "knows" when the recall isn't possible anymore. JAgex could just wait with giving membership during that period.

 

 

 

 

 

Also if credit card fraud is "so easy": why do other companies don't have troubles with it?

You really have no idea of business accounting do you? Paypal have the right to close a business account due to fraudulent transations. Paypal charges fees for business use. And other companies DO have trouble with credit fraud.

[BloodArgon]

@pulli23: There is already a huge black market for paypal accounts for non Runescape purposes. Changing from credit cards to paypal would not solve the problem of fraud ant instead might increase paypal fraud from people keylogging paypal users or phishing.

 

 

 

uhm you really think people try to do anything at paypal for RUNESCAPE :roll: If one could hack paypal you would easily earn a lot more. But the main thing is: even if there's any fraud at paypall, it won't be JAGEX troubles anymore.. That's the reason why 3rd party things can help!

 

 

 

Besides for the possibility to "recall payments": well this isn't that easy, and the one who gets the money "knows" when the recall isn't possible anymore. JAgex could just wait with giving membership during that period.

 

 

 

 

 

Also if credit card fraud is "so easy": why do other companies don't have troubles with it?

You really have no idea of business accounting do you? Paypal have the right to close a business account due to fraudulent transations. Paypal charges fees for business use. And other companies DO have trouble with credit fraud.

 

 

 

This isnt the point.

 

RWT is much more vast in RS.

 

For the cost it takes to make 1 bot account in WoW, you can make 3 in RS. Larger army, larger profit. The game was being overrun with them.

[Brinner]

1. You can make a account and play for free fast.

 

2. You usually don't have to worry about monsters when your skilling in RS, in WoW you do.

 

3. You can easily auto in RS, WoW its harder.

 

4. RS has more stuff to auto, WoW has less.

[bored321]

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@pulli23: There is already a huge black market for paypal accounts for non Runescape purposes. Changing from credit cards to paypal would not solve the problem of fraud ant instead might increase paypal fraud from people keylogging paypal users or phishing.

 

 

 

uhm you really think people try to do anything at paypal for RUNESCAPE :roll: If one could hack paypal you would easily earn a lot more. But the main thing is: even if there's any fraud at paypall, it won't be JAGEX troubles anymore.. That's the reason why 3rd party things can help!

 

 

 

Besides for the possibility to "recall payments": well this isn't that easy, and the one who gets the money "knows" when the recall isn't possible anymore. JAgex could just wait with giving membership during that period.

 

 

 

 

 

Also if credit card fraud is "so easy": why do other companies don't have troubles with it?

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You don't obviously have anything to do with paypal, i myself just off ebay have had 6 charge backs from credit cards, it does affect you as that money is removed from your account and you do not get it back (i have had over 681 payments btw).

 

Not only that but if your account receives a large amount of fraud it will be closed and can lose any money associated with it without warning. (just google it for proof)

 

 

 

Pretty much every company will suffer from credit fraud in one way or another, and i suggest you don't post on here if you don't know what you are talking about you will only get flamed.

[No_99_Melee]

Ok guys just woke up and read all your comments. So it seems that the main factor of RWT when it was in Runescape was because you are able to make so many free accounts on RS at once. Also because there are not creatures roaming around the world you can create a repetitive loop of gathering certain things without being worried about your bot dying after only one load. The problem I have with the second declaration is that Runescape does have that in a sense. Randoms can take a bot away from what they're doing and unless they do what the random says to do they are not aloud to return.

 

 

 

Is it that the bot systems were more advanced in Runescape to combat this than WoW? I've heard of many Autoers that could actually respond to a random and get through it like both you and I. Why couldn't an an Autoer do the same in WoW when responding to a creature? Run away and come back? (Not entirely sure how combat works in WoW so correct me if I'm wrong :lol: )

 

 

 

P.S.

Congrats on the hilt btw.

 

 

 

I just dismantled my BGS and showed you hilt. Gotcha!

[Kenshinjapan]

WOW has separate realms, which means that you cannot change worlds with a character once you have chosen one. Because it is not like runescape where it is 1 giant economy, each world in WOW operates by itself. Because of that, WOW rwters have to keep lots of money on EVERY server in order to supply the demand. So whenever someone buys 10,000 gold for their character, only that server is affected and the other 100 are not harmed.

 

 

 

Does that make sense?

[No_99_Melee]

WOW has separate realms, which means that you cannot change worlds with a character once you have chosen one. Because it is not like runescape where it is 1 giant economy, each world in WOW operates by itself. Because of that, WOW rwters have to keep lots of money on EVERY server in order to supply the demand. So whenever someone buys 10,000 gold for their character, only that server is affected and the other 100 are not harmed.

 

 

 

Does that make sense?

 

 

 

Interesting, but can't you pay money to change realms?

[Kenshinjapan]

WOW has separate realms, which means that you cannot change worlds with a character once you have chosen one. Because it is not like runescape where it is 1 giant economy, each world in WOW operates by itself. Because of that, WOW rwters have to keep lots of money on EVERY server in order to supply the demand. So whenever someone buys 10,000 gold for their character, only that server is affected and the other 100 are not harmed.

 

 

 

Does that make sense?

 

 

 

Interesting, but can't you pay money to change realms?

 

 

 

Yes, but what's the point? Paying $30 extra dollars to move to a server filled with total strangers? Growing to 70 on one server has it's benefits, as you will have it easier in endgame.