Sarah Palin

[warren211]

I'm not too active in politics, so I'm not going to say too much here because I know there are a dozen people here who are eager to devour whatever I say and prove that I don't know enough. :|

 

 

 

Palin seems like an OK choice, but last time I checked McCain barely knew her. Although one could argue that Obama and Biden weren't exactly best friends either...

 

 

 

But one thing I could speak on is the whole racial equality thing in the above post or two. I live near some of those violent cities. Chicago suburbs, specifically. Every day a kid dies because of gun violence, or "mistaken identity". The communities are doing anything but the "why strive to succeed?" mentality. There's a group in a Chicago suburb that holds protests that encourage gun bans every time a shooting occurs. Friends, families, entire schools, even entire communities are shown gathered to mourn a dead child, followed by some of the victim's relatives making fantastic speeches on why guns need to be banned. It's the government's mentality I don't like. Governor Blagojevich offered Mayor Daley of Chicago thousands of state troops to assist Chicago suburbs, and the mayor actually took his time to decide. First, more cops doesn't always solve the problem, and the fact that you have to think about it when kids are dying by the day is shameful.

 

 

 

Obama promised in one of his speeches to make sure Chicago and it's suburbs the aid it needed to clean up. If this is true and he really plans to do it, I'd admire him forever. I hate the fact that when I stand at the street corner waiting for the school bus, I never know what's going to happen when a car drives by. I live in a cleaner suburb, not much happens here. That doesn't mean we're safe. Anyone who votes for Obama because he's black is a fool. I'm just hoping that if Chicagoans support him, he'll help us in return.

 

 

 

Sorry if I'm rambling a bit off topic here, but I do feel strongly about the need for more restrictions on guns, and that's one thing that Obama promises. Whether he'll live up to it, who knows. If he doesn't give a remote try, he'd better not set foot in Chicago again.

[wild_goat_14]

I'm not too active in politics, so I'm not going to say too much here because I know there are a dozen people here who are eager to devour whatever I say and prove that I don't know enough. :|

 

 

 

Palin seems like an OK choice, but last time I checked McCain barely knew her. Although one could argue that Obama and Biden weren't exactly best friends either...

 

 

 

But one thing I could speak on is the whole racial equality thing in the above post or two. I live near some of those violent cities. Chicago suburbs, specifically. Every day a kid dies because of gun violence, or "mistaken identity". The communities are doing anything but the "why strive to succeed?" mentality. There's a group in a Chicago suburb that holds protests that encourage gun bans every time a shooting occurs. Friends, families, entire schools, even entire communities are shown gathered to mourn a dead child, followed by some of the victim's relatives making fantastic speeches on why guns need to be banned. It's the government's mentality I don't like. Governor Blagojevich offered Mayor Daley of Chicago thousands of state troops to assist Chicago suburbs, and the mayor actually took his time to decide. First, more cops doesn't always solve the problem, and the fact that you have to think about it when kids are dying by the day is shameful.

 

 

 

Obama promised in one of his speeches to make sure Chicago and it's suburbs the aid it needed to clean up. If this is true and he really plans to do it, I'd admire him forever. I hate the fact that when I stand at the street corner waiting for the school bus, I never know what's going to happen when a car drives by. I live in a cleaner suburb, not much happens here. That doesn't mean we're safe. Anyone who votes for Obama because he's black is a fool. I'm just hoping that if Chicagoans support him, he'll help us in return.

 

 

 

Sorry if I'm rambling a bit off topic here, but I do feel strongly about the need for more restrictions on guns, and that's one thing that Obama promises. Whether he'll live up to it, who knows. If he doesn't give a remote try, he'd better not set foot in Chicago again.

 

 

 

Not trying to get off-subject, but do you really think a gun ban would help? Those gang members could still get a hold of guns, and they'd keep on doing what they are doing. It is already established that they don't care about the law.

[jackattack]

And here we have the aforementioned "my candidate is better than yours" thinly veiled debate.

 

 

 

(You could argue Obama doesn't really have any merit either, nor has he held any executive position, but his election would send a clear signal to other countries USA is still free and anyone can become the president)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What message? That anyone with money can become President? Obama is not an average Joe. He may only have one house, but that one house is worth just as much as McCain's. He wears Armani suits and Rolex watches. He has made stupid political discussions. Sounds like just about every other President. Except he's black. If that negates the fact that he's a millionaire, then I have lost hope in Martin Luther King's quest for racial equality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NoMoreDead: Before you copy and paste, learn to read and understand politics. The committee assignments are bullcrap that look good on paper, and those are a handful of votes that mostly came before his Presidential bid. Take a look at Obama's voting record compared to McCain's or Clinton's. They voted in nearly all sessions while Obama missed more than half *during* his campaign. Don't forget his Party which instead of voting on a major bill, took a long vacation and shut down Congress.

 

 

 

As for approval ratings, they are a little skewed in his case of being a celebrity on the political scene. Instead you should look at those who don't approve of him. Palin's rating of people who think she is doing a bad job is minimal, nearly 3 percent, with 17 percent having no opinion.

 

 

 

 

Well I think technically you did say he's not a member of any major committee. He's on the armed services, foreign relations, health labor and education, and homeland security. He left the EPW. That is a pretty impressive list of committees. The thing is that he has done nothing. And he's been criticized because he has not held one major hearing on the european affairs committee he chairs. A little to much time campaigning. And @no more dead, you might not want to bring up the Iraq war deescalation act. That perfectly shows Obama's lack of judgment. While McCain was advocating the surge Obama did the opposite and his bill would have guaranteed defeat. Right now the war would be lost. Or the vote for the 2005 energy act which was the act that gave the oil companies tax breaks which is all Obama can talk about.

 

 

 

So please stop arguing a point if you have no idea what you are talking about. Obama is qualified, so is she.

 

 

 

Well I think neither is qualified. That is only one of the criteria though.

 

 

 

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If people could impeach a president he would be long gone, no other president is having so low approval rates. It's different from election vote share

 

I'd doubt you not knowing what impeachment means, but impeachment is bringing criminal or civil charges formally against a President.

 

 

 

Can't exactly do that to ol' Bushy, unless looking stupid is illegal.

 

 

 

His approval rating isn't so low for no reason or dumb 'Bushism's... It's because a lot of people do think he's done illegal things.

 

 

 

Iraq war 'expenses'.. Other than the salaries of soldiers.. What expenses are we talking about? All the reconstruction, weapons, ammunition companies, aircraft companies like Sikorsky.. Are all american. Every time he asks for more war funding, he's really giving money to his fellow cronies especially in the arms industry. From the treasury of taxpayers.. At the expense of american lives in Iraq (plus unnecessary civilian deaths).

 

 

 

Wouldn't mind either Obama or McCain to succeed him. Just as long as he's gone.

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If you count a lot of people as dennis kucinich, shiela jackson lee, barney frank, and ron paul.

 

 

 

And think about what you are saying. That the President actually started a war just so the people at lockheed or kbr or wherever can make money. He probably has never met most of the owners of any of those companies but their his 'cronies' so he started the Iraq war just to give them money? That sounds pretty silly. Say it out loud and if you still think it's true call up code pink and get a skeleton mask and sit in the audience at hearings.

 

 

 

And Ginger, I don't think you really understand the who Obama really is. He is the only hope for us. He will completely heal all racial inequality. He is THE ONE.

[Barihawk]

And Ginger, I don't think you really understand the who Obama really is. He is the only hope for us. He will completely heal all racial inequality. He is THE ONE.

 

 

 

I totally pray you are kidding.

[Ginger_Warrior]

And Ginger, I don't think you really understand the who Obama really is. He is the only hope for us. He will completely heal all racial inequality. He is THE ONE.

 

And I suppose McCain would do more to promote equality than Obama would then?

 

 

 

I'll still support Obama over a Republican any day of the week. He's not perfect, but at least he's not a pro-Christian, militaristic ex-army bigot. Don't pretend like you and I agree with each other.

[jackattack]

^^ He was a 'christian' and you might not want to bring up religion in the same sentence as Obama. And I don't think being in the army makes you a bigot.

 

 

 

And Ginger, I don't think you really understand the who Obama really is. He is the only hope for us. He will completely heal all racial inequality. He is THE ONE.

 

 

 

I totally pray you are kidding.

 

 

 

But what about Hope? And Change?

[trapical]

For those saying being Governor of Alaska is "easy" and "doesn't give executive experience"...

 

 

 

Alaska has 45% of the nation's coast lines and is three times as large as California's land mass. It has thousands of military bases and is scant 50 miles from the not-so-friendly country of Russia. It has hundreds of ethnic groups, and a massive natural resources industry. Countless decisions need to be made as to where to build roads, how to project order to towns in far flung wilderness, and how to preserve the wildlife while supplying the mainland United States with a million barrels of oil a day.

 

 

 

Alaska is actually a pretty hard state to rule compared to something like Vermont or Wisconsin. And its certainly harder than one year in the Senate -.- .

 

 

 

Oh and she's pretty hot for her age:

 

[mrpez]

Oh and she's pretty hot for her age

 

 

 

i was nodding my head in agreement until i read that last line. why did you have to go there?

[1_man_army]

^^ He was a 'christian' and you might not want to bring up religion in the same sentence as Obama. And I don't think being in the army makes you a bigot.

 

 

 

 

I don't recall him saying he was a bigot because he was in the army, he just said he was a bigot.

[En_fuego]

Oh and she's pretty hot for her age

 

 

 

i was nodding my head in agreement until i read that last line. why did you have to go there?

 

 

 

Its so true though.

 

 

 

[NoMoreDead]

 

NoMoreDead: Before you copy and paste, learn to read and understand politics. The committee assignments are bullcrap that look good on paper, and those are a handful of votes that mostly came before his Presidential bid. Take a look at Obama's voting record compared to McCain's or Clinton's. They voted in nearly all sessions while Obama missed more than half *during* his campaign. Don't forget his Party which instead of voting on a major bill, took a long vacation and shut down Congress.

 

 

 

As for approval ratings, they are a little skewed in his case of being a celebrity on the political scene. Instead you should look at those who don't approve of him. Palin's rating of people who think she is doing a bad job is minimal, nearly 3 percent, with 17 percent having no opinion.

 

 

 

Sorry to toot my horn, but I teach civics and hang around with political scientists who vote both ways. I know what I am talking about. One piece of advice to you: Don't take anything you read on the internet for granted or at face value. Shop around and approach something from multiple sources.

 

 

 

Learn to read and understand politics? How about yourself, sir? You stated that Barack Obama has done nothing worth noting. Isn't it MORE amazing that he did all that BEFORE he began the road for presidency? He's done quite a bit in such a short amount of time, negating all thoughts of his inexperience somehow hurting America. It really doesn't matter how many things he's voted on, only that he voted on the most important issues, and voted the morally correct way (in his own eyes).

 

 

 

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

As for Palin's approval rating:

 

Pop of Illinois: 12,831,970

 

Pop of Alaska: 670,053

 

 

 

Obama has more than NINTEEN times as many people to "please". It's a basic rule of thumb: More people, more diversity in opinion. Of course in such a small, concentrated area Palin would have a great approval rating. Obama's approval ratings are not skewed. If anything, they are more eye popping, considering he's keeping up with a wider array of people and opinions.

 

 

 

Remember, Obama won 73% of the vote when he won Illinois, and his approval rating is still right around those numbers. I think he's doing a fine job montoring 19 times as many people and keeping up with the election, and the people agree.

[Lordjake]

 

NoMoreDead: Before you copy and paste, learn to read and understand politics. The committee assignments are bullcrap that look good on paper, and those are a handful of votes that mostly came before his Presidential bid. Take a look at Obama's voting record compared to McCain's or Clinton's. They voted in nearly all sessions while Obama missed more than half *during* his campaign. Don't forget his Party which instead of voting on a major bill, took a long vacation and shut down Congress.

 

 

If you're talking about the Medicare bill from July, 2008:

 

 

 

They weren't able to vote on the bill because Republicans voted against taking it to vote.

 

Instead, the Senate debated endlessly (filibuster) until they finally adjourned to go home for the next week.

 

They passed the same bill the week after the vacation, only to have to vetoed by George Bush (and then overrode the veto).

 

 

 

 

 

And since you mentioned voting records, lets take a look...

 

 

 

109th Congress -

 

Obama missed 1.7% of the votes.

 

McCain missed 9.0% of the votes.

 

 

 

110th Congress -

 

Obama missed 45.5% of the votes.

 

McCain missed 63.8% of the votes.

 

 

 

 

 

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and I do agree Palin is quite hot.

[mrpez]

this article claims that sarah palin's fifth child, Trig Paxson Van Palin, is not her child but her grandson.

 

 

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

[NoMoreDead]

Well done on that research, Lordjake.

[En_fuego]

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

[NoMoreDead]

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

 

 

 

HAH! He is "taken" the way you described because he is a very relatible, honest, caring, and genuine person who cares about the middle class. That's disgusting to you? I call that amazing.

 

 

 

How does being loved make you a celebrity? I don't get it. All I'm getting out of this is you think that being liked by a lot of people makes you a "celebrity". McCain goes overseas and is treated the way he is because his policies are horrible, he does not care about the middle class, and he has no idea how to lead.

[jackattack]

^^ He has. He was in Colombia when the hostage rescue happened. If Obama was there they would have said that he not only planned it but flew the helicopter.

 

 

 

 

NoMoreDead: Before you copy and paste, learn to read and understand politics. The committee assignments are bullcrap that look good on paper, and those are a handful of votes that mostly came before his Presidential bid. Take a look at Obama's voting record compared to McCain's or Clinton's. They voted in nearly all sessions while Obama missed more than half *during* his campaign. Don't forget his Party which instead of voting on a major bill, took a long vacation and shut down Congress.

 

 

If you're talking about the Medicare bill from July, 2008:

 

 

 

They weren't able to vote on the bill because Republicans voted against taking it to vote.

 

Instead, the Senate debated endlessly (filibuster) until they finally adjourned to go home for the next week.

 

They passed the same bill the week after the vacation, only to have to vetoed by George Bush (and then overrode the veto).

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that he meant the American energy act. Which Nancy Pelosi wouldn't even bring to a vote. Some of the Republicans have been at the house chamber since they took the break. Nancy Pelosi shut the lights off on them. They've been there the whole time with no cameras or microphones.

[BlueLancer]

And here we have the aforementioned "my candidate is better than yours" thinly veiled debate.

 

 

 

(You could argue Obama doesn't really have any merit either, nor has he held any executive position, but his election would send a clear signal to other countries USA is still free and anyone can become the president)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What message? That anyone with money can become President? Obama is not an average Joe. He may only have one house, but that one house is worth just as much as McCain's. He wears Armani suits and Rolex watches. He has made stupid political discussions. Sounds like just about every other President. Except he's black

 

 

 

A person watching his speeches on TV in a rural village of Indonesia or any African country wont know what brand of clothes or watches he's using. He will see a black man in a politician's suit has became the president of the free world in a country of mostly white people.

 

 

 

That's the only message most of the world will see if he gets elected; Freedom. It will pressure other nations to do the same, "why not in our country?" An average labourer in any country doesn't think of issues with complex analysis as teachers do. It's a really simple message... A person whose ethnic background is of people who used to do slave labour, could be the president of the entire country. Regardless of his wealth, it signals "anything is possible in a free country"

[En_fuego]

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

 

 

 

HAH! He is "taken" the way you described because he is a very relatible, honest, caring, and genuine person who cares about the middle class. That's disgusting to you? I call that amazing.

 

 

 

How does being loved make you a celebrity? I don't get it. All I'm getting out of this is you think that being liked by a lot of people makes you a "celebrity". McCain goes overseas and is treated the way he is because his policies are horrible, he does not care about the middle class, and he has no idea how to lead.

 

 

 

You just used words that should never be in the same sentence with any politician; honest, caring, genuine. This is why I'm voting for a 3rd party this year, I'm a Libertarian, but previous voting years I tried to make vote count, this year I'll really vote for who I prefer. And it won't be the the Messiah.

[NoMoreDead]

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

 

 

 

HAH! He is "taken" the way you described because he is a very relatible, honest, caring, and genuine person who cares about the middle class. That's disgusting to you? I call that amazing.

 

 

 

How does being loved make you a celebrity? I don't get it. All I'm getting out of this is you think that being liked by a lot of people makes you a "celebrity". McCain goes overseas and is treated the way he is because his policies are horrible, he does not care about the middle class, and he has no idea how to lead.

 

 

 

You just used words that should never be in the same sentence with any politician; honest, caring, genuine. This is why I'm voting for a 3rd party this year, I'm a Libertarian, but previous voting years I tried to make vote count, this year I'll really vote for who I prefer. And it won't be the the Messiah.

 

 

 

Well have fun tossing your vote out a window. You have given no other reason to not vote for Obama other than the fact that he's liked worldwide. Hey, I guess if that's what sways you, I wouldn't want your vote.

[En_fuego]

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

 

 

 

HAH! He is "taken" the way you described because he is a very relatible, honest, caring, and genuine person who cares about the middle class. That's disgusting to you? I call that amazing.

 

 

 

How does being loved make you a celebrity? I don't get it. All I'm getting out of this is you think that being liked by a lot of people makes you a "celebrity". McCain goes overseas and is treated the way he is because his policies are horrible, he does not care about the middle class, and he has no idea how to lead.

 

 

 

You just used words that should never be in the same sentence with any politician; honest, caring, genuine. This is why I'm voting for a 3rd party this year, I'm a Libertarian, but previous voting years I tried to make vote count, this year I'll really vote for who I prefer. And it won't be the the Messiah.

 

 

 

Well have fun tossing your vote out a window. You have given no other reason to not vote for Obama other than the fact that he's liked worldwide. Hey, I guess if that's what sways you, I wouldn't want your vote.

 

 

 

Its 1 less vote Jesus. I'd rather throw my vote away than vote for a false prophet. And I said that I'm Libertarian, that would be the reason I'm not voting for him.

[NoMoreDead]

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HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

 

 

 

HAH! He is "taken" the way you described because he is a very relatible, honest, caring, and genuine person who cares about the middle class. That's disgusting to you? I call that amazing.

 

 

 

How does being loved make you a celebrity? I don't get it. All I'm getting out of this is you think that being liked by a lot of people makes you a "celebrity". McCain goes overseas and is treated the way he is because his policies are horrible, he does not care about the middle class, and he has no idea how to lead.

 

 

 

You just used words that should never be in the same sentence with any politician; honest, caring, genuine. This is why I'm voting for a 3rd party this year, I'm a Libertarian, but previous voting years I tried to make vote count, this year I'll really vote for who I prefer. And it won't be the the Messiah.

 

 

 

Well have fun tossing your vote out a window. You have given no other reason to not vote for Obama other than the fact that he's liked worldwide. Hey, I guess if that's what sways you, I wouldn't want your vote.

 

 

 

Its 1 less vote Jesus. I'd rather throw my vote away than vote for a false prophet. And I said that I'm Libertarian, that would be the reason I'm not voting for him.

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Just remember, you are throwing away your vote for someone who is being made out to be a "false prophet" (by your own suggestion, of course as I myself do not agree with this statement at all) by others, and is not a self-proclaimed messiah. Your reasoning for not voting for him simply because of party lines is ignorant and unjustified. As I said, if I were Obama, I wouldn't want your support.

[En_fuego]

I don't support his ideas, his policies, pretty much anything he does. The same goes with any other liberal, that's why I never vote liberally and probably never will.

[NoMoreDead]

I don't support his ideas, his policies, pretty much anything he does. The same goes with any other liberal, that's why I never vote liberally and probably never will.

 

 

 

Well it's fantastic to hear you have a very closed-minded perception on the topic. I don't know how you don't support lower taxes, pulling out of a war, giving women more rights, ect, but that's fine.

[Powman3]

HAHAHHA Oh my dear god, yet again we have someone bringing up the idiotic "He's a celebrity" notion. Tell me, what makes him a celibrity on the political scene? What defines a celebrity on the political stage? John McCain has been paraded around as a war hero since I can remember. He's been in the spotlight as a war hero for decades. Celebrity? Look at John McCain. If Obama is a celebrity, McCain is a superstar.

 

 

 

Obama is a superstar celebrity in every way possible. Look how he is taken in here in the US, everyone loves him, he is our 'Messiah'. He goes overseas, everyone loves him, hes the second coming of Jesus. Its really disgusting.

 

 

 

Now have Mccain go overseas, lets see how he is treated.

 

 

 

HAH! He is "taken" the way you described because he is a very relatible, honest, caring, and genuine person who cares about the middle class. That's disgusting to you? I call that amazing.

 

 

 

How does being loved make you a celebrity? I don't get it. All I'm getting out of this is you think that being liked by a lot of people makes you a "celebrity". McCain goes overseas and is treated the way he is because his policies are horrible, he does not care about the middle class, and he has no idea how to lead.

 

 

 

You just used words that should never be in the same sentence with any politician; honest, caring, genuine. This is why I'm voting for a 3rd party this year, I'm a Libertarian, but previous voting years I tried to make vote count, this year I'll really vote for who I prefer. And it won't be the the Messiah.

 

 

 

I fail to see how a politician can't be any of those words you just said. You think everyone is a heartless, careless son of a [bleep] who does this only for money? That's pretty ignorant.

 

 

 

EDIT: I took my time to look up the definition of messiah. (this was the only non-religious definition I could find).

 

 

 

(usually lowercase) a zealous leader of some cause or project.

 

 

 

 

 

...You would have to be extremely unintelligent to not vote for someone like that. <_<