Sarah Palin

[1_man_army]

Forced marriages happen for religious reasons surprisingly often. The fact that Sarah Palin doesn't practice a religion that does that or lives in a country that condones forced marriage is irrelevant. I'm only using it as an example of parents forcing their children to do unreasonable thing against their will which potentially will effect them for the rest of their lives.

[jackattack]

We got a bit off topic. That's not relevant anyway because it was her daughters idea to keep the baby and marry the guy.

[Lordjake]

I can only imagine what would be happening if Palin was a Democrat and this happened to her.

 

Fox News would air the story non-stop, and Rush Limbaugh would get so excited, he'd pop a couple dozen pain-killers.

 

So far in my limited news-watching today, there's been some focus on it, but nothing as nasty as what could be said.

 

 

 

 

Edit: and that is a far cry from Obama who would probably force his daughter to have an abortion so she isn't "punished with a baby"

 

You've gotta be pretty [bleep]ed up to think that.

 

Being "pro-choice" doesn't mean going out and killing all babies that don't come out of marriage.

 

 

 

I don't want to go off-topic, but just because I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean I necessarily support abortions. I personally don't like the idea of killing a fetus, but I do believe women who make the decision to have an abortion should be allowed to, in the safety of a qualified doctor. Obama may feel the same way, maybe he doesn't. I'm just saying...

[user1991]

You've gotta be pretty [bleep] up to think that.

 

Being "pro-choice" doesn't mean going out and killing all babies that don't come out of marriage.

 

 

 

I don't want to go off-topic, but just because I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean I necessarily support abortions. I personally don't like the idea of killing a fetus, but I do believe women who make the decision to have an abortion should be allowed to, in the safety of a qualified doctor. Obama may feel the same way, maybe he doesn't. I'm just saying...

 

 

 

When does a baby begin to "be"?

 

 

 

Is it at the moment of conception, at birth, when it develops a nervous sytem, or way before that, when the Father is born, or when his Father was born.

 

 

 

Now that I think about it, cause and effect makes no sense, because as Alan Watts would say, "there is no past, or future, only now." - which if you think about it, makes sense, because "events" don't really exist..

 

 

 

Anyway, that's way offtopic.

 

 

 

Back on topic: Palin and McCain are both morons, and they have no place being the two most powerful people on the planet.

[Necromagus]

And Palin in even more trouble... She has been a member of, and still actively supports (addressing this year's convention of) the Alaskan Independence Party, who's motto is "Alaska First, Alaska Always" (nice contrast to John McCain's "America First") and who seeks to have a statewide poll on whether or not Alaska should secede.

[wild_goat_14]

And Palin in even more trouble... She has been a member of, and still actively supports (addressing this year's convention of) the Alaskan Independence Party, who's motto is "Alaska First, Alaska Always" (nice contrast to John McCain's "America First") and who seeks to have a statewide poll on whether or not Alaska should secede.

 

 

 

I can Alaska seceding, as they are completely separated from the lower 48 and should govern themselves. But then of course we would think of some new 50th state to squeeze in(separate Florida, New York, or even the "State of Jefferson" thing going on in the northwest, just so we can keep our flag.

 

 

 

Then Russia would beat the hell out of them if they wanted.

[jackattack]

The Jefferson state kind of makes sense to me. People up past Chico just don't feel like Californians to me. It just feels like another state. I mean I've never been there but who has? It might as well be death valley. But if any state would secede it would be Vermont. I remember seeing some thing where like more than 12% of the population wanted to.

[NoMoreDead]

Sarah Palin's wiki so far. I'm having trouble finding a lot of positives in this.

 

 

 

[hide=]Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former chief of staff James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority. Clark later pleaded guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.

 

 

 

^^Well done, governor.

 

 

 

In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope. This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP (her husband's former employer). Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure, and in June, Palin signed it into law. On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corp., was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant. In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines $500 million in seed money and a license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48 through Canada.

 

 

 

^^Palin's shining moment.

 

 

 

In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6 billion operating budgetthe largest in Alaska's history. At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history

 

 

 

Palin strongly supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), which McCain has opposed. They also disagree on her belief that global warming is not caused by human activity.

 

 

 

"Two major Alaska newspapers have questioned Palins competency for the Vice Presidency. In an editorial dated August 30, 2008, the Anchorage Daily News wrote "It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be a heartbeat away from the presidency.""[/hide]

[mrpez]

im not sure if the american president and vice president are the most powerful people in the world.

 

 

 

the people with the most influence on the world are the leaders of some of the most powerful fortune 500 companies. you can be sure that if a company like GE or IBM goes down, money worldwide will have no meaning.

[jackattack]

Sarah Palin's wiki so far. I'm having trouble finding a lot of positives in this.

 

 

 

[hide=]Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former chief of staff James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority. Clark later pleaded guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.

 

 

 

^^Well done, governor.

 

 

 

In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope. This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP (her husband's former employer). Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure, and in June, Palin signed it into law. On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corp., was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant. In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines $500 million in seed money and a license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48 through Canada.

 

 

 

^^Palin's shining moment.

 

 

 

In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6 billion operating budgetthe largest in Alaska's history. At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history

 

 

 

Palin strongly supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), which McCain has opposed. They also disagree on her belief that global warming is not caused by human activity.

 

 

 

"Two major Alaska newspapers have questioned Palins competency for the Vice Presidency. In an editorial dated August 30, 2008, the Anchorage Daily News wrote "It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be a heartbeat away from the presidency.""[/hide]

 

 

 

 

 

Drilling in Anwr is good, the natural gas pipeline is good, getting the corrupt people out of the government is good. You might also want to try...

-She sometimes broke with the state Republican establishment. For example, she endorsed Parnell's bid to unseat the state's longtime at-large U.S. Congressman, Don Young. Palin also publicly challenged Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.

 

-A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008, showed Palin's approval rating at 80 percent

 

-Palin obtained a passport in 2007 to visit with Alaskan National Guard soldiers in Kuwait and travel to Germany to meet with wounded soldiers

 

-Palin has strongly promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska, including in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), where such development has been the subject of a national debate. She also helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits

 

-In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates. She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send Alaskans $1,200 directly, paid for from the windfall surplus the state is getting because of the high oil prices.

 

-In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican United States Secretary of the Interior, to list polar bears as an endangered species. The State of Alaska filed a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts. She said the move to list the bears was premature and was not the appropriate management tool for their welfare.

 

-She also followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Westwind II jet purchased (on a state government credit account) by the Murkowski administration. In August 2007, the jet was sold on eBay for $2.1 million.

 

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[magekillr]

I always looked at Senator McCain just as a Joe Blow public member, looking from the outside in, she said. Hes been buttin heads with Republicans for years, and thats a healthy place to be. Then again, on McCains signature issuethe prosecution of the war in Iraqshe did not sound so gung-[garden tool]. Her son is a soldier, and she said, Im a mom, and my son is going to get deployed in September, and we better have a real clear plan for this war. And it better not have to do with oil and dependence on foreign energy.

 

 

 

Just keep your mouth running Mrs. Palin.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Oh yes, please do.

 

 

 

See, now McCain is on the backfoot in light of yesterday's revelations. One of two scenarios is true:

 

 

 

A) McCain did not properly vet Palin, in which case, this shows bad leadership.

 

 

 

B) McCain did vet her properly, and chose her anyway despite all this baggage, which shows bad judgement.

 

 

 

The very two things he's been attacking Obama for. It is astounding hypocrisy.

[BlueLancer]

im not sure if the american president and vice president are the most powerful people in the world.

 

 

 

the people with the most influence on the world are the leaders of some of the most powerful fortune 500 companies. you can be sure that if a company like GE or IBM goes down, money worldwide will have no meaning.

 

 

 

1, 2, even 5 F500 companies don't really matter that much in the grand scheme.

 

 

 

Take Microsoft for example.. It's market cap is near $250 billion dollars. Yet it's value keeps swinging up and down, just a single negative court case brought it down $80 billion (link).

 

 

 

There were no ramifications or effects on any country's economy, barely even the american one. Even if it had dropped all the way from $250B to $0.00, it wouldn't matter.

 

 

 

The only businesses in the western world that directly effect people's daily lives are the petroleum & food industry. IT, clothing, technology, entertainment, construction, customer service, manufacture & anything else is ultimately just secondary.

 

 

 

If all the major farms/food producers went bankrupt & tons of oil companies got brought down due to corruption charges... That would make economies and stock markets worthless for a long time, assuming it also happened in countries which the US imports those goods from.

[magekillr]

Ginger, she wasn't even in the running for VP until 5 days before announcement. She was vetted by the team for 1 day, had a 15 minute interview with McCain, and was chosen immediately afterwards.

 

 

 

Oh, hello Pope Palin:

 

 

 

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

[loi86]

Funny how he chose a running mate with more experience than Obama, McCain, and Biden combined. No, Senator does not count as experience, because as governor you have to run a small country(kind of) even though it is one of the smaller population states.

[SanFranciscoGiants]

Frankly, John McCain made an extremely foolish choice picking someone that knows more about elk and moose hunting than politics.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Funny how he chose a running mate with more experience than Obama, McCain, and Biden combined. No, Senator does not count as experience, because as governor you have to run a small country(kind of) even though it is one of the smaller population states.

 

If your boiling this down to experience alone, that would make Palin a better President than any of the others.

 

 

 

You're not being serious, are you?

[magekillr]

 

 

 

The spin....it hurts.

 

 

 

This interview caused John McCain to withdraw from an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer because Campbell Brown went "too far".

[jackattack]

That was a nice little smear you had going about her being in the AIp to bad it's not true. They vetted her and they knew what they were getting.

 

 

 

edit:

I always looked at Senator McCain just as a Joe Blow public member, looking from the outside in, she said. Hes been buttin heads with Republicans for years, and thats a healthy place to be. Then again, on McCains signature issuethe prosecution of the war in Iraqshe did not sound so gung-[garden tool]. Her son is a soldier, and she said, Im a mom, and my son is going to get deployed in September, and we better have a real clear plan for this war. And it better not have to do with oil and dependence on foreign energy.

 

 

 

Just keep your mouth running Mrs. Palin.

 

 

 

We have a clear plan and McCain is the one who supports opening up new sources of domestic energy. And I'm not so sure you want to bring up comments made by the vp choices because Biden flat out said Obama was not qualified to be President. Not even Romney said anything that bad about McCain.

[magekillr]

That was a nice little smear you had going about her being in the AIp to bad it's not true. They vetted her and they knew what they were getting.

 

 

 

Yes it was...she was actively involved, and her husband was a member until 2002.

[jackattack]

No she wasn't. She's been a Republican since 1982.

 

 

 

"Supporters of Barack Obama are engaged in an unfortunate and nasty smear campaign," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said, specifically citing issues related to Palin's politics.

 

 

 

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_ ... n_politics

[aspokaspofkjsopfkapo]

Sarah Palin....

 

 

 

# She has connections to dominionist groups, including Joel's Army.

 

# She believes creationism should be taught in schools.

 

# She believes religious leaders should be able to endorse political candidates.

 

# She strongly opposes reproductive freedom for women and wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape or incest.

 

# She supported the infamous "bridge to nowhere" and recently lied about her support.

 

# The leading Christian extremist groups support her.

 

 

 

the risk of Palin becoming president is too great...

[mrpez]

if mccain dies in office and palin becomes president, i will give serious thought to moving out of country.

[Quoi_Tu]

Sarah Palin....

 

 

 

# She has connections to dominionist groups, including Joel's Army.

 

# She believes creationism should be taught in schools.

 

# She believes religious leaders should be able to endorse political candidates.

 

# She strongly opposes reproductive freedom for women and wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape or incest.

 

# She supported the infamous "bridge to nowhere" and recently lied about her support.

 

# The leading Christian extremist groups support her.

 

 

 

the risk of Palin becoming president is too great...

 

 

 

Not that I'm defending Palin, but with all the rumors and possible facts going around about her, I'm confused as to what is actually true. Basically, citation/source/shred of evidence s'il vous plait.

[jackattack]

Sarah Palin....

 

 

 

# She has connections to dominionist groups, including Joel's Army.Source?

 

# She believes creationism should be taught in schools.Source? She may think that it should be up to local school boards but I doubt she supports replacing evolution with intelligent design

 

# She believes religious leaders should be able to endorse political candidates.They can and do

 

# She strongly opposes reproductive freedom for women and wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape or incest.Better than Obama who supports letting infants born alive die.

 

# She supported the infamous "bridge to nowhere" and recently lied about her support.No she didn't, she initially supported finishing it and when she became Governor she didn't use the federal earmark to build the bridge

 

# The leading Christian extremist groups support her.Hamas supports Obama does that mean anything?