D Scimmy vs SS

[SirHartlar]

Ok, well soon I will reach 99 Attack and begin training Str via Slayer again. I realise that the SS overall is faster than D Scim/DFS, but by how much? I don't think 5K or so an hour is that good of a difference for the 7M tag on a sword, especially with the prices fluctuating so wildy atm. Any thoughts?

[Deathmath]

I think it'd be worth it for 7 mil, but with the fluctuating prices I'd wait.

[compfreak847]

Considering your 4 levels away from 99, use a defender + d scimmy. Almost as good of stats. Never use DFS when meleeing.

[Deathmath]

Considering your 4 levels away from 99, use a defender + d scimmy. Almost as good of stats. Never use DFS when meleeing.

 

 

 

On a second thought that sounds good :P I was too caught up w/ the DFS.

[compfreak847]

Considering your 4 levels away from 99, use a defender + d scimmy. Almost as good of stats. Never use DFS when meleeing.

 

 

 

On a second thought that sounds good :P I was too caught up w/ the DFS.

 

It's a mania that I used to buy into, sadly. There isn't a single situation where DFS is good for melee.

[Deathmath]

Except for PVP or boss?

 

 

 

Looking into it some guy was chatting on irc, talked to him. He said the difference in training for generic slayer was under ten percent, and varied by task.

[compfreak847]

Except for PVP or boss?

 

 

 

Looking into it some guy was chatting on irc, talked to him. He said the difference in training for generic slayer was under ten percent, and varied by task.

 

Yeah, I'd put it at roughly 10-15%. Not so great after all, considering that with 80 summoning and SGS you don't need food on most tasks.

 

 

 

PVP its even worse, and its no good for any boss.

[Exodus_Flesh]

You're really ignorant if you say it doesn't have a single use.. A Dragonfire Shield's high defense is great when you're trying to last somewhere for an extended period of time (I.E., slayer task with a hard hitting monster).. You're basically saying all shields are useless, which really isn't true.

[compfreak847]

You're really ignorant if you say it doesn't have a single use.. A Dragonfire Shield's high defense is great when you're trying to last somewhere for an extended period of time (I.E., slayer task with a hard hitting monster).. You're basically saying all shields are useless, which really isn't true.

 

Provide some monster examples.

[Exodus_Flesh]

A list of Slayer Monsters: Black Demons, Black Dragons (Need Anti-Fire shield at least anyways), Suqahs, Hellhounds, Iron/Steel Dragons, Nechryaels, Mithril Dragons.. Anything that you are melee'ing and trying to stay at for extended periods of time..

[RichieMcD]

I'd buy a SS for the extra 5k exp an hour but also for the fact that it is the best weapon for Waterfiend tasks which as you should know are great for Crimsons.

 

 

 

Keep the DFS for any dragon tasks you get so you can use Scimmy for Str exp.

[compfreak847]

A list of Slayer Monsters: Black Demons, Black Dragons (Need Anti-Fire shield at least anyways), Suqahs, Hellhounds, Iron/Steel Dragons, Nechryaels, Mithril Dragons.. Anything that you are melee'ing and trying to stay at for extended periods of time..

 

Your either praying on Black Demons or you have a pony, and are healed more then enough. Dragons are so obvious I thought I'd leave them out, but I'll let you have that. Suqahs don't hit enough to need it, hellhounds do not hit NEARLY enough to need it, I have no experience with Nechs so I can't say, and you shouldn't bee meleeing mith drags anyway. Oh, and for ranging\maging dragons, a regular antifire shield is better then DFS.

[Inuashakent]

You're really ignorant if you say it doesn't have a single use.. A Dragonfire Shield's high defense is great when you're trying to last somewhere for an extended period of time (I.E., slayer task with a hard hitting monster).. You're basically saying all shields are useless, which really isn't true.

 

It doesn't have a use in slayer tbh. Maybe dragon hunting, but nothing else. Besides DK's or something... lol.

 

 

 

Don't use them against any slayer monster besides dragons (I skip all of em anyways)

 

 

 

Nechs - I use a geyser titan + barrows, no guthans.

 

Abbys - I pray 10% str with v skirt and pro top... bunyip, no food needed.

 

Black demon - Pray... (Ponies are more expensive than pray pots, no?)

 

Suquas - I pray mage + melee def, it's the fastest way.

 

Hellhounds - SKIP but not needed.

 

Garg - Stupid task, but not needed.

 

 

 

Rune defender is the ultimate training weapon, no question. But to answer the original question, train using whip on controlled. Yes, it's that good.

[Mylez]

If it was me, I would use Scimmy and DFS without a doubt. SS is ok for looks, and is fairly affordable at 7m but Scimmy is still preferable. The speed difference is minimal, maybe 10%.. ;)

[compfreak847]

You're really ignorant if you say it doesn't have a single use.. A Dragonfire Shield's high defense is great when you're trying to last somewhere for an extended period of time (I.E., slayer task with a hard hitting monster).. You're basically saying all shields are useless, which really isn't true.

 

It doesn't have a use in slayer tbh. Maybe dragon hunting, but nothing else. Besides DK's or something... lol.

 

 

 

Don't use them against any slayer monster besides dragons (I skip all of em anyways)

 

 

 

Nechs - I use a geyser titan + barrows, no guthans.

 

Abbys - I pray 10% str with v skirt and pro top... bunyip, no food needed.

 

Black demon - Pray... (Ponies are more expensive than pray pots, no?)

 

Suquas - I pray mage + melee def, it's the fastest way.

 

Hellhounds - SKIP but not needed.

 

Garg - Stupid task, but not needed.

 

 

 

Rune defender is the ultimate training weapon, no question. But to answer the original question, train using whip on controlled. Yes, it's that good.

 

Yeah, but because he's already 99 attack\defence, d scimmy would be better if he's looking to max out fast.

 

 

 

If it was me, I would use Scimmy and DFS without a doubt. SS is ok for looks, and is fairly affordable at 7m but Scimmy is still preferable. The speed difference is minimal, maybe 10%.. ;)

 

 

 

Why would DFS be better?

[boatracer22]

:wall: could someone please explain to me what is so bad about a dfs

[D Jay99]

:wall: could someone please explain to me what is so bad about a dfs

 

It's not bad, but the rune defender is better.

[Mylez]

You're really ignorant if you say it doesn't have a single use.. A Dragonfire Shield's high defense is great when you're trying to last somewhere for an extended period of time (I.E., slayer task with a hard hitting monster).. You're basically saying all shields are useless, which really isn't true.

 

It doesn't have a use in slayer tbh. Maybe dragon hunting, but nothing else. Besides DK's or something... lol.

 

 

 

Don't use them against any slayer monster besides dragons (I skip all of em anyways)

 

 

 

Nechs - I use a geyser titan + barrows, no guthans.

 

Abbys - I pray 10% str with v skirt and pro top... bunyip, no food needed.

 

Black demon - Pray... (Ponies are more expensive than pray pots, no?)

 

Suquas - I pray mage + melee def, it's the fastest way.

 

Hellhounds - SKIP but not needed.

 

Garg - Stupid task, but not needed.

 

 

 

Rune defender is the ultimate training weapon, no question. But to answer the original question, train using whip on controlled. Yes, it's that good.

 

Yeah, but because he's already 99 attack\defence, d scimmy would be better if he's looking to max out fast.

 

 

 

If it was me, I would use Scimmy and DFS without a doubt. SS is ok for looks, and is fairly affordable at 7m but Scimmy is still preferable. The speed difference is minimal, maybe 10%.. ;)

 

 

 

Why would DFS be better?

 

 

 

Big defence and strength bonus :

[ilovecardj]

Dont bother with dfs, defense isn't needed and the attack bonus of defender far outweighs the small bonus of the dfs.

 

 

 

personnaly would definately use a ss, as the d scim is quite crummy. if you dont want to spent 8m, get obby sword and berskerer necklace, it gives out better exp then a dscim

[ultimatballr]

Well everyone else has pretty much given out their opinions and ideas on what you should use, but I figure I will give my input as well.

 

 

 

Through personal experience I have found that I love my Sara Sword more than I have any other weapon (maybe whip when I first got it) It is a relatively new weapon which adds a certain appeal to it. For me it is far more accurate than a dragon scimmy. I gave up str training at 80 due to the fact that I hit so many zeros with the scimmy it would frustrate me to the point of leaving the game for a week or two.

 

 

 

If you don't mind watching the price of your item fall or rise then I'd say go along and get a SS. You would lose what 3m MAX on it unless the price bombed in some ridiculous way. Also, through your training I am sure you would make much more than 3m from use of the SS if you are using slayer. (Which pretty much pays for the cost of the sword, should you resell it, you would be taking no loss on it)

 

----

 

 

 

As for the DFS and rune defender debate. I have no personal experience with a DFS, but I do find myself using my defender on many if not all of the tasks that I use my whip. So if you do go with the scimmy, just use your defender and guthans/summons to heal the 30 or so hp that you probably may not have lost with the superior def bonus' of the DFS.

[compfreak847]

Well everyone else has pretty much given out their opinions and ideas on what you should use, but I figure I will give my input as well.

 

 

 

Through personal experience I have found that I love my Sara Sword more than I have any other weapon (maybe whip when I first got it) It is a relatively new weapon which adds a certain appeal to it. For me it is far more accurate than a dragon scimmy. I gave up str training at 80 due to the fact that I hit so many zeros with the scimmy it would frustrate me to the point of leaving the game for a week or two.

 

 

 

If you don't mind watching the price of your item fall or rise then I'd say go along and get a SS. You would lose what 3m MAX on it unless the price bombed in some ridiculous way. Also, through your training I am sure you would make much more than 3m from use of the SS if you are using slayer. (Which pretty much pays for the cost of the sword, should you resell it, you would be taking no loss on it)

 

----

 

 

 

As for the DFS and rune defender debate. I have no personal experience with a DFS, but I do find myself using my defender on many if not all of the tasks that I use my whip. So if you do go with the scimmy, just use your defender and guthans/summons to heal the 30 or so hp that you probably may not have lost with the superior def bonus' of the DFS.

 

 

 

Saradomin Sword: +82 slash

 

Dragon Scimitar w/Defender: +86 slash

 

 

 

 

 

You were probably a higher attack level when you used SS then when you last used a scimitar, as the slash attack is slightly higher then SS. And don't forget that small defence bonus from the defender also :

[ilovecardj]

even if it has 4 higher slash, its far far FAR more innacurate still then the SS

 

 

 

SS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>D scim+defender

[wioneo]

What is this "10% doesn't matter much" garbage that people are spewing on this topic? I'm not so good with timings and such but aren't the best melee training methods around 80k or so xp/hour? You've got....4,190,016 strength xp left to 99 judging by the hiscores, so that would be over 524 hours at 80k xp/hour(which sounds pretty fast but honestly I have no idea). Ten percent of that is over 52 hours...

 

 

 

So if this 10% difference figure is correct, and you can sustain 80k/hr xp gain for long periods of time, then the question becomes "Is 7ish m worth 52 hours of your life?"

 

 

 

On the defender vs. DFS subject. Considering slayer, the answer is a defender(I welcome you to present a valid example to contradict this). The ONLY melee example in which a DFS would be better than a defender(excluding dragons as they are a blatantly obvious exception) would be killing Supreme, but then a Godsword would be better, and that knocks out the shield option.

[Inuashakent]

Well everyone else has pretty much given out their opinions and ideas on what you should use, but I figure I will give my input as well.

 

 

 

Through personal experience I have found that I love my Sara Sword more than I have any other weapon (maybe whip when I first got it) It is a relatively new weapon which adds a certain appeal to it. For me it is far more accurate than a dragon scimmy. I gave up str training at 80 due to the fact that I hit so many zeros with the scimmy it would frustrate me to the point of leaving the game for a week or two.

 

 

 

If you don't mind watching the price of your item fall or rise then I'd say go along and get a SS. You would lose what 3m MAX on it unless the price bombed in some ridiculous way. Also, through your training I am sure you would make much more than 3m from use of the SS if you are using slayer. (Which pretty much pays for the cost of the sword, should you resell it, you would be taking no loss on it)

 

----

 

 

 

As for the DFS and rune defender debate. I have no personal experience with a DFS, but I do find myself using my defender on many if not all of the tasks that I use my whip. So if you do go with the scimmy, just use your defender and guthans/summons to heal the 30 or so hp that you probably may not have lost with the superior def bonus' of the DFS.

 

Sure, slayer could pay for it. But... if you didn't have an SS, you would actually... profit.

 

 

 

Since when was 2str>20 slash?

 

 

 

even if it has 4 higher slash, its far far FAR more innacurate still then the SS

 

 

 

SS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>D scim+defender

 

Yeah, way to go. Be completely oblivious to facts.

[compfreak847]

What is this "10% doesn't matter much" garbage that people are spewing on this topic? I'm not so good with timings and such but aren't the best melee training methods around 80k or so xp/hour? You've got....4,190,016 strength xp left to 99 judging by the hiscores, so that would be over 524 hours at 80k xp/hour(which sounds pretty fast but honestly I have no idea). Ten percent of that is over 52 hours...

 

 

 

So if this 10% difference figure is correct, and you can sustain 80k/hr xp gain for long periods of time, then the question becomes "Is 7ish m worth 52 hours of your life?"

 

 

 

On the defender vs. DFS subject. Considering slayer, the answer is a defender(I welcome you to present a valid example to contradict this). The ONLY melee example in which a DFS would be better than a defender(excluding dragons as they are a blatantly obvious exception) would be killing Supreme, but then a Godsword would be better, and that knocks out the shield option.

 

The 10% difference was about DFS vs. defender; obviously 10% faster training would be significant. I must admit, however, that training with a whip on controlled seems like a better idea the more I think about it. I mean, if your training slayer, your going to end up woth far more XP anyway; why not train it faster?

 

 

 

even if it has 4 higher slash, its far far FAR more innacurate still then the SS

 

 

 

SS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>D scim+defender

 

 

 

Let's ignore facts then use 37 greater symbols to emphasize our point. Bad bad bad. :shame: