Slayer Sucks

[compfreak847]

Leaf blade swords are the best one handed stab weapon, the best weapon for meleeing mithril dragons after extensive testing by Qeltar.

 

 

 

[hide=]Just got 97 def at azs. Using full bandos+rune defender. We have come to the end of another quote parade.[/hide]

 

Who wants to melee mithril dragons when they're not training slayer? :?

[Maulmachine]

Leaf blade swords are the best one handed stab weapon, the best weapon for meleeing mithril dragons after extensive testing by Qeltar.

 

 

 

[hide=]Just got 97 def at azs. Using full bandos+rune defender. We have come to the end of another quote parade.[/hide]

 

Who wants to melee mithril dragons when they're not training slayer? :?

 

People hunting after a dfh 8-)

 

 

 

clue hunters, 52 slayer~Jellys, best clue dropper ingame.

[pureprayer]

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

[Maulmachine]

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Previous page addressed that and rules it out as viable.

[compfreak847]

Leaf blade swords are the best one handed stab weapon, the best weapon for meleeing mithril dragons after extensive testing by Qeltar.

 

 

 

[hide=]Just got 97 def at azs. Using full bandos+rune defender. We have come to the end of another quote parade.[/hide]

 

Who wants to melee mithril dragons when they're not training slayer? :?

 

People hunting after a dfh 8-)

 

 

 

clue hunters, 52 slayer~Jellys, best clue dropper ingame.

 

Clues = ~200k per hour, only uninformed low levels use them. DFH has a very low drop rate and bad XP, not worth killing mith drags unless your just messing around for fun.

 

 

 

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Waterfiends = better charms and XP; bursting lobsters = even more charms and more XP, even with money earning time included.

[Maulmachine]

Leaf blade swords are the best one handed stab weapon, the best weapon for meleeing mithril dragons after extensive testing by Qeltar.

 

 

 

[hide=]Just got 97 def at azs. Using full bandos+rune defender. We have come to the end of another quote parade.[/hide]

 

Who wants to melee mithril dragons when they're not training slayer? :?

 

People hunting after a dfh 8-)

 

 

 

clue hunters, 52 slayer~Jellys, best clue dropper ingame.

 

Clues = ~200k per hour, only uninformed low levels use them. DFH has a very low drop rate and bad XP, not worth killing mith drags unless your just messing around for fun.

 

 

 

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Waterfiends = better charms and XP; bursting lobsters = even more charms and more XP, even with money earning time included.

 

Last I checked not everything is about efficiency, some people kill miths for fun, their weapon of choice is a leaf-bladed sword. as for the clues, what if they get a 3a amulet, bam 120m.

[pureprayer]

 

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Waterfiends = better charms and XP; bursting lobsters = even more charms and more XP, even with money earning time included.

 

 

 

Dust Devils have the option of being ranged (so do waterfiends but its slow).

[compfreak847]

 

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Waterfiends = better charms and XP; bursting lobsters = even more charms and more XP, even with money earning time included.

 

 

 

Dust Devils have the option of being ranged (so do waterfiends but its slow).

 

Or you could get 160k range XP\hour for free with chins\avansies, and use melee\mage to obtain charms in half the total time.

[pureprayer]

 

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Waterfiends = better charms and XP; bursting lobsters = even more charms and more XP, even with money earning time included.

 

 

 

Dust Devils have the option of being ranged (so do waterfiends but its slow).

 

Or you could get 160k range XP\hour for free with chins\avansies, and use melee\mage to obtain charms in half the total time.

 

True but if there are lower leveled rangers (70-75) the dust devils would be a better option. I said the best use of slayer is that (and slayer doesn't have many uses) because to train higher would be a waste of time and lvl 65 isn't much.

[compfreak847]

 

The BEST use of slayer is to kill dust devils for the Charm Drop.

 

Waterfiends = better charms and XP; bursting lobsters = even more charms and more XP, even with money earning time included.

 

 

 

Dust Devils have the option of being ranged (so do waterfiends but its slow).

 

Or you could get 160k range XP\hour for free with chins\avansies, and use melee\mage to obtain charms in half the total time.

 

True but if there are lower leveled rangers (70-75) the dust devils would be a better option. I said the best use of slayer is that (and slayer doesn't have many uses) because to train higher would be a waste of time and lvl 65 isn't much.

 

Explain how it would be a better option? Using avansies from 75-85, then chinning with the money and repeating will get them well over 100k XP\hour, and north of 160k when they hit the upper 90s. Dust devils are... 45-50k per hour?

[pureprayer]

 

Explain how it would be a better option? Using avansies from 75-85, then chinning with the money and repeating will get them well over 100k XP\hour, and north of 160k when they hit the upper 90s. Dust devils are... 45-50k per hour?

 

Assuming you don't want to train range and level it to 85, chinning would be a waste (a waste at 75 range). If you are short term training and going for charms you should stick with dust devils but if you were to train range long term the Aviansie/Chinning method would work better.

[compfreak847]

 

Explain how it would be a better option? Using avansies from 75-85, then chinning with the money and repeating will get them well over 100k XP\hour, and north of 160k when they hit the upper 90s. Dust devils are... 45-50k per hour?

 

Assuming you don't want to train range and level it to 85, chinning would be a waste (a waste at 75 range). If you are short term training and going for charms you should stick with dust devils but if you were to train range long term the Aviansie/Chinning method would work better.

 

At 75 range, avansies are still going to be a better option; the profit will enable you to use other methods of obtaining charms much more quickly.

[pureprayer]

 

Explain how it would be a better option? Using avansies from 75-85, then chinning with the money and repeating will get them well over 100k XP\hour, and north of 160k when they hit the upper 90s. Dust devils are... 45-50k per hour?

 

Assuming you don't want to train range and level it to 85, chinning would be a waste (a waste at 75 range). If you are short term training and going for charms you should stick with dust devils but if you were to train range long term the Aviansie/Chinning method would work better.

 

At 75 range, avansies are still going to be a better option; the profit will enable you to use other methods of obtaining charms much more quickly.

 

Dust Devils have variation and aren't THAT much worse than aviansies. I can hardly think of a much better use for slayer anyway thats not a waste of time to train to a high level.

[compfreak847]

 

Explain how it would be a better option? Using avansies from 75-85, then chinning with the money and repeating will get them well over 100k XP\hour, and north of 160k when they hit the upper 90s. Dust devils are... 45-50k per hour?

 

Assuming you don't want to train range and level it to 85, chinning would be a waste (a waste at 75 range). If you are short term training and going for charms you should stick with dust devils but if you were to train range long term the Aviansie/Chinning method would work better.

 

At 75 range, avansies are still going to be a better option; the profit will enable you to use other methods of obtaining charms much more quickly.

 

Dust Devils have variation and aren't THAT much worse than aviansies. I can hardly think of a much better use for slayer anyway thats not a waste of time to train to a high level.

 

There is no point in training it. That's my point. Thanks for proving it though :x

[Inuashakent]

I hate it when people lose an argument they always bring in the fun factor. If that's your argument, why bother arguing when we're talking about a whole different aspect?

[Troacctid]

I hate it when people lose an argument they always bring in the fun factor. If that's your argument, why bother arguing when we're talking about a whole different aspect?

 

I couldn't agree with you more on this one...it's just not a relevant issue. You can't debate or even quantify "fun." I see this way too much... :wall:

 

 

 

287, by the way. I skimmed over most of the back-and-forth with ydrasil, since I could tell it was just quibbles over the quality of data, but otherwise I read the whole thread...is there another number I should put for that, or just the one? :)

 

 

 

It's clear to me that slayer is indeed a pretty useless skill to train in the long-term, since past a certain point there are no gameplay benefits to it. However, it's obviously not useless before then, so if a player with 30 slayer asks for advice on training combat or collecting charms, I would still feel justified in recommending slayer. The main rewards, of course, are broad-tipped bolts, slayer rings, quests, and you could argue for dust devils and the Falador diary too.

 

 

 

I also have to agree with Zarfot. Training slayer is undeniably the most efficient way of training slayer, after all, so you can't call it completely useless unless you consider all xp in skills with no practical benefits to gameplay to be useless as well.

 

 

 

There is something I don't remember seeing so far. Some people who advocate slayer for training say that you should use slayer to train combat, because eventually you'll want to get 99 slayer and you'll feel bad that your combat skills are maxed already. I disagree; there's nothing stopping you from training melee further when you have 99s already. You'll just get better ranks in the hiscores, which means more prestige. Presumably that's the reason why you're getting the slayer cape anyway, right? Prestige. Hopefully you enjoy the skill as well, but you're not going to derive any less enjoyment because you aren't leveling your combat anymore. Personally, I think I'd enjoy it even more if I could hit 50s and use a steel titan the whole time. And anyway, you'll be training at maximum speed right from the start, instead of only at the end. Sure, it'll take longer than if you got 99 in melee an' stuff from slayer, but if your goal was to get 50m xp in attack, it would actually be faster to get 99 attack first and 99 slayer afterwards, no? If you value slayer xp after 90, why shouldn't you value attack xp after 99?

[compfreak847]

I hate it when people lose an argument they always bring in the fun factor. If that's your argument, why bother arguing when we're talking about a whole different aspect?

 

I couldn't agree with you more on this one...it's just not a relevant issue. You can't debate or even quantify "fun." I see this way too much... :wall:

 

 

 

287, by the way. I skimmed over most of the back-and-forth with ydrasil, since I could tell it was just quibbles over the quality of data, but otherwise I read the whole thread...is there another number I should put for that, or just the one? :)

 

 

 

It's clear to me that slayer is indeed a pretty useless skill to train in the long-term, since past a certain point there are no gameplay benefits to it. However, it's obviously not useless before then, so if a player with 30 slayer asks for advice on training combat or collecting charms, I would still feel justified in recommending slayer. The main rewards, of course, are broad-tipped bolts, slayer rings, quests, and you could argue for dust devils and the Falador diary too.

 

 

 

I also have to agree with Zarfot. Training slayer is undeniably the most efficient way of training slayer, after all, so you can't call it completely useless unless you consider all xp in skills with no practical benefits to gameplay to be useless as well.

 

 

 

There is something I don't remember seeing so far. Some people who advocate slayer for training say that you should use slayer to train combat, because eventually you'll want to get 99 slayer and you'll feel bad that your combat skills are maxed already. I disagree; there's nothing stopping you from training melee further when you have 99s already. You'll just get better ranks in the hiscores, which means more prestige. Presumably that's the reason why you're getting the slayer cape anyway, right? Prestige. Hopefully you enjoy the skill as well, but you're not going to derive any less enjoyment because you aren't leveling your combat anymore. Personally, I think I'd enjoy it even more if I could hit 50s and use a steel titan the whole time. And anyway, you'll be training at maximum speed right from the start, instead of only at the end. Sure, it'll take longer than if you got 99 in melee an' stuff from slayer, but if your goal was to get 50m xp in attack, it would actually be faster to get 99 attack first and 99 slayer afterwards, no? If you value slayer xp after 90, why shouldn't you value attack xp after 99?

 

That's a very good point out training combat skills past 99, I hadn't thought of that. There was another set of numbers embedded somewhere in the 10-15 page range, but I certainly don't expect anyone to find it ;)

[bedman]

287, another excellent read from you, compfreak.

 

 

 

Efficiency wise, slayer isnt worth it, you are totally right. Not a a single arguement to throw in.

 

 

 

On the other hand, efficiency wise, a lot of things wouldn't be worth it. Mith drags have been mentioned before. Dont ask me why, but from time to time, I like to kill those buggers, hoping for a 30m drop. Same goes for clues. That's the "fun" factor that's been discussed before, and I know, this isnt a counter argument or anything. Just stating the obvious, again.

 

 

 

So, to conclude: You are absolutely right. Just dont forget to have some fun too, or otherwise we'd be chinning/killing aviansies/rcing/... all the time, which isnt always very fun, is it.

 

 

 

As for troacctid: I have recently gotten 99 ranged and magic. I had gotten both to lvl 90 + without really grinding, however, I chinned 90-99 ranged, and bursted 93-97 magic + did some bolt enchanting to 99. Well, every xp I've gotten since then feels like a waste to me, seriously. I dont care about the ranks. I just think about how I could have done less enchanting, less chinning, etc. That's why I would find it really annoying to have 99 melees and only 50 slayer and "having" to train my melees past 99.

 

This is ofcourse very personal.

[in2it85]

Slayer doesnt suck.

 

 

 

I do agree on you on that it isnt the best money making method, in my case i lost more then i earned to 85+

 

 

 

However its a great method for training mutiple of your skill while having fun.

 

 

 

 

 

If i could put it like this way, Slayer is the direct OPPOSIT that Old-Runescape was. (if you played it)

[compfreak847]

Slayer doesnt suck.

 

 

 

I do agree on you on that it isnt the best money making method, in my case i lost more then i earned to 85+

 

 

 

However its a great method for training mutiple of your skill while having fun.

 

 

 

 

 

If i could put it like this way, Slayer is the direct OPPOSIT that Old-Runescape was. (if you played it)

 

Slayer, as a skill, doesn't suck. I really enjoy it, it's one of my favorite skills.

 

Slayer, as a method of training combat, sucks. It's a horrible way to train, wasting 100s of potential millions on the long road to 99.

[AgentEarl]

i cant stand slayer

 

completely pointless

 

you get stupid tasks half the time and its just ah! its my only not ranked skill to which makes it even worse :x

[bedman]

i cant stand slayer

 

completely pointless

 

you get stupid tasks half the time and its just ah! its my only not ranked skill to which makes it even worse :x

 

Lol, so firemaking is ... fun?

 

 

 

The creator of this thread does actually like slayer. He just says it's a bad way to train combat. But of course you didn't read that, did you. You just saw the title, responded whatever came into your head, and then walked away. Nice firemaking btw. :^o

[heroclixplay]

287

 

Good argument and post been reading through alot of the pages for the last 30 minutes or so. I have to say im one of those people that hates staying in the same place for to long which makes slayer a funner training option for me. Got to say camping at the abby demons is pretty bad get a few crimsons and occasionaly a whip but it dosent make up the time you could save doing alternate methods. There is also a social aspect to slayer constantly moving around and meeting new slayers on task. Also i usually get decent slayer xp on tasks im not required to pray on. Because im always focusing on the game when i slay i can piety flashing tasks which can cause a decent increase in xp per hour and its sweet hitting 52 with a whip.

 

 

 

Sorry if parts of this post are incoherent its late here and i should be in bed

[Pballer007]

Put the letters two, eight, and seven in the first three digits of your reply to prove you actually read what I typed

 

 

 

Anyways, I enjoy slayer, I do consider it a money maker for me, I dislike more or less every skill in rs (includeing combat lol?)

 

 

 

But it keeps it exciting, sacrificing xp is bad I must agree, but slayer is a skill and I must level it.

[fenrir321]

"Put the letters two, eight, and seven in the first three digits of your reply to prove you actually read what I typed."

 

 

 

Ok, I read it, so don't ignore me please : .

 

 

 

 

 

I do admit that Slayer is not as good as other training methods.

 

Perhaps I like having my mind engaged while I play. I barely made it out alive from 62-70 prayer doing pc for 9 days. I also abhor Duradel (or Lapolosk, or whatever his name is) tasks. I don't have maxed stats as you can see, and therefore don't go after the hard tasks. I've tried doing a steel dragon task. It was less "fun" than Aberrant Spectres because I didn't really hit frequently.

 

 

 

I do admit that Slayer is not nearly as good experience as the "best" training method. However, the "best" is up for interpretation. Your mentioned training methods (if I'm correct in assuming that you use 28 prayer potions or chins for range) are extremely expensive or just plain expensive when using prayer potions. Despite the fact that you have stated that the pay off is incredibly great, it takes a lot of money to make money sometimes.

 

 

 

Take battle staffing for example. If you don't have supple amounts of cash, you can't make much money. In like, if your skills are not high, you won't make as much money either.

 

 

 

Slayer is a good way to "compromise". I have done at least 80 tasks total (I don't slayer camp ftl) in my entire career in runescape. Despite all of the claims that Duradel is the best, I find that Chaeldar is the best. Her/his (can't tell :wall: ) tasks are fairly high level while also giving somewhat of a challenge even at my near full 90 levels. The tasks usually pay for themselves while also giving some experience. The occasional lava staff or "valuable" high alch is also pretty good in my eyes.

 

There comes a point where there's a trade off between money and time.

 

The best methods require high amounts of money. The not-so-good methods don't.

 

 

 

The reason why I say this last part is because since the majority players are children, they still don't know how to save up money for when they need it. A bandos plate is nice to have, but what happens if it's lost and you have enxt to 0 gp in your bank? :?