imbackstinkers Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I mean nintendo's mario btw. We see it happening in the videogame industry every couple of years, another fabulous series gets flushed down the toilet (sonic and crash bandicoot come to mind), but mario has never gotten stale. The "mario" franchise (games that bear his name) altogether have sold over 200 million copies and the plumber himself has appeared in over 20 games (not including sports or party games) and overall has showed his face in over 200 games over the years. Why aren't people tired of mario?, Does mario have what sonic doesn't? Does mario still have that "it" factor? But seriously can you look me in the eye today and say that without mario that the platform genre would still be alive today, In the last decade platformers have been on a nosedive (save mario), sonic and crash's best days were left in the 90s as shooters and rpgs became popular and less and less platformers were being developed. LittleBigPlanet is a great game but it didn't live up to sales expectations,now sales don't = good/badgame, it just shows that the general public isn't as hungry for platformers as in the days of old maybe platform lovers are a special breed but when i look at super mario's galaxy's sale figures i sratch my head, do people buy galaxy because it's a platformer or do they buy it because it's super MARIO galaxy, what exactly makes this short plumber so popular. Sonic has aged horribly and if his next game flops SHOULD go into retirement but mario is l ike the new kid on the block. Franchises come and go but can mario stick around and keep the platform genre alive for another 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakiri Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Mario has the same problem as Sonic...Nintendo milks em both for all their worth... While the occasional Mario title is decent, he's getting boring...he's only popular because he invented the platformer, and because kids love those kinda games...why do you think Sonic the Hedgehog sells? Kids usually buy them because it appeals to them... I personally think Nintendo should die...They make less and less original titles, but instead work with the stupid Franchises... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 There have been platformers before Mario, just not very good ones. He popularized it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpbizkit Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 There have been platformers before Mario, just not very good ones. He popularized it. And will continue to go on. Some of the best games I've played are even Mario games. It's milking if every game is bad but the bad games usually come in fews not loads. Tif 360 MGC Leaderboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkis Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 mario is just wonderful he got a red hat sonic doesent ;) also from some experience platformers arent only popular amongs kids but also adults i think rpg and FPS is mainly teens :? not sure but maybe platformers are just popular amongs adults for nostalgia.. but the few 60 year olds ive seen gotten addicted to em cant be :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Viola Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Mario has the same problem as Sonic...Nintendo milks em both for all their worth... While the occasional Mario title is decent, he's getting boring...he's only popular because he invented the platformer, and because kids love those kinda games...why do you think Sonic the Hedgehog sells? Kids usually buy them because it appeals to them... I personally think Nintendo should die...They make less and less original titles, but instead work with the stupid Franchises... Nintendo doesn't own Sonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakiri Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Mario has the same problem as Sonic...Nintendo milks em both for all their worth... While the occasional Mario title is decent, he's getting boring...he's only popular because he invented the platformer, and because kids love those kinda games...why do you think Sonic the Hedgehog sells? Kids usually buy them because it appeals to them... I personally think Nintendo should die...They make less and less original titles, but instead work with the stupid Franchises... Nintendo doesn't own Sonic. Typo sorry...any company putting titles onto a nintendo console milk it till its [bleep] are drier than prunes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happysniff Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Aren't you that same guy who admitted to being the biggest Nintendo fanboy? Mario will never die btw, and Legend of Zelda will never die either, or won't die for a long time. Although I must admit, Mario's bewbz have been milked dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin64 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Mario's not an enigma. Enigmas are rare. Mario is EVERYWHERE. Well, I'm getting tired of Mario about now. Especially since the last few games could have been about any characters, even new ones, and would have provided the same gameplay experience (especially Mario Sunshine, the only things there that were in previous Mario games were the toads, Bowser, and a Boo every now and again. Sure, big characters, but easily replaceable). Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakiri Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Aren't you that same guy who admitted to being the biggest Nintendo fanboy? Mario will never die btw, and Legend of Zelda will never die either, or won't die for a long time. Although I must admit, Mario's bewbz have been milked dry. Yes, Ugozima admitted to being the biggest Nintendo fan boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happysniff Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Aren't you that same guy who admitted to being the biggest Nintendo fanboy? Mario will never die btw, and Legend of Zelda will never die either, or won't die for a long time. Although I must admit, Mario's bewbz have been milked dry. Yes, Ugozima admitted to being the biggest Nintendo fan boy... I was referring to the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakiri Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 O.K, but there seem to be a lot of Nintendo fans that consider themselves the biggest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin64 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 O.K, but there seem to be a lot of Nintendo fans that consider themselves the biggest... They're just compensating. Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakiri Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 But my question is, with all the milking of franchises, with all the crappy minigame collections and all of the other crap that Nintendo puts out, how in hell can anyone say that they are a fan. When the only franchise that is any good anymore on Nintendo is Zelda (Probably because they don't milk its large, plump [bleep]). We have Mario (who's [bleep] give off powdered milk) and Sonic (Who's [bleep] are saggy old things that hang in the waters of mediocrity). Sonic would be good if they quit adding all the [cabbage]. Sonic Unleashed could have been really good if they completely wiped the really [developmentally delayed]ed Werehog sections. Mario on the other hand, has no hope...while everyonce in a while a game with the mario logo comes out that can call itself halfway decent, there seems to be four million mini game collections lingering around it, and the only way to get to the one gem is to pick out all the other ones till you get to it. Madworld is the only game that looks any good coming out for the wii. Its probably because its an original game for the system, that is made for adults... I'll quit ranting because I know that if one person says something that hurts there feelings towards some corporation or company, they defend them like some kind of angry army, which is exactly the army that brings these games to our gamestores and demands more, leaving nintendo throwing crap out from their windows toward their army... God...I sound a lot like Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkofDeath Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Mario doesn't get old, because he's re-invented every time. A mario in 1990s isn't a mario in 2005, nor one in 2008. Each mario game had a distinct different style in gameplay, (usually storyline was different, but it did involve the same characters, just different roles...plots). Mario can be a hero, plumber, puzzle master, or many other different things. He's a character that we've been conditioned to love and adore and think highly of, and because of that we buy the games he's in because we know there will be a different style of gameplay, the storyline will be different and something innovative will be put in the game, alongside creative gameplay as well. Also Mario has produced games that appeal to the masses. Sure plenty of games for niche markets or players, but altogether it basically means everyone will have a reason to play Mario. It's not so much that it's Mario, it's that he's used differently every time. He's never the same Mario in any game that he's in. He's always different and is always surrounded by differences and inconsistencies compared to any other game he's been in. You can excludes series from that, but each new game in the series offers different gameplay, or more creativness packed onto the previous games creativity and uniqueness. Sure there's been some crap games with Mario, but majority have been major sellers for the points made above. When the next mario game is announced most casual to enthusiast gamers will check the game out for sure. Why? Because deep down we know Mario is going to offer us something we either want or haven't seen before. --- This is why Sonic, and other game icons fail. The developers or publishers limit the creativity in the games, or stop developers from trying 'new' types of gameplay, because they might fail in the market. Sonic hasn't changed at all. It's still the same little hedgehog that is fast and can roll really fast. There's been nothing re-invented about Sonic at all in any of the games he's been in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harakiri Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 ^^^Yes he has. I guess I'll give you the Sonic speech I tell my best friend who loves Sonic and pushes the games down my throat... __________________________________________________________________________________ Sonic the hedgehog was one of my favorite characters back in fourth grade, and back to when Sonic Underground (or was it Thunderground?) was on air. I liked the games because they were well done 2D games that were fast, and had a lot of openness about them. There was a simplistic story, absolutely no interuptions from gameplay except for the creative boss fights, and that was it. Sonic did go downhill. They introduced Tails, and I guess that was fine. Sonic needed a friend. Then there was knuckles, who was originally a bad guy. O.K, that fine, don't have to worry about the fat scientest. But, these ideas went into the heads of the producers, and they kept adding more and more characters. Some were alright and needed to be added in for plot reasons (I.E Amy Rose, Shadow the hedgehog) while others were just there because...I really don't know (I.E Charmy the Bee, Vector the Alligator). Then, we got some Sonic Card game/Board Game on the Dreamcast, that was actually really wierd, it showed us Amy's underwear... Then Sonic Adventure, which was fine until they brought it out on Gamecube and [bleep]ed it. Then Heroes, and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. Shadow was introduced (my favorite character in the series), but the gameplay seemed to be horrible. I fell off pits because the camera sucked, you could spin jump on enemies, and that would be a kinda lock on thing. It got horrible because for some reason, you would spin jump, and then Sonic would go and jump down a cliff, which kinda told me something... There was that horrendous battling game on the GBA. There were some alright 2d platformers on teh GBA. The DS games are alright. Then, theres Sonic the hedgehog (Which I think was a rotten bag of [cabbage], the characters were annoying, the camera sucked). Sonic goes to the length to chase an underage girl. Nice one... The wii one I never played. Unleashed was good on the 2d sections, but sucked everywhere else... And then Shadow the Hedgehog...I couldn't wait... And then, the festering pile of [cabbage] came and it was soooooooo big a disappointment...Why does he say damn all the time? Is this supposed to teach kids "hey, its cool to say damn." Sonic would be alright, if they would keep with the 2D formula it was based on, if it would quit adding characters and story, and if the developers became competent instead of a bunch of [developmentally delayed]s with computers trying to make a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkofDeath Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 So is this a Mario Vs Sonic thread, where we grief over how inferior Sonic has been marketed, and developed compared to the gaming industries #1 icon, Mario, and make sad pathetic excuses, that won't make up for anything at all? Cause that isn't a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayOxide Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mario's not an enigma. Enigmas are rare. Mario is EVERYWHERE. Hes like, a 40 yr old plumber? Thats not close to an enigma. I dont need a siggy no moar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild_goat_14 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mario's not an enigma. Enigmas are rare. Mario is EVERYWHERE. Hes like, a 40 yr old plumber? Thats not close to an enigma. It is the rare gaming franchise that didn't die out because of stupid development, good grief that wasn't that hard to get. And yes, I love the Mario games. I have a Wii and love Strikers, lol. I shall take my flock underneath my own wing, and kick them right the [bleep] out of the tree. If they were meant to fly, they won't break their necks on the concrete.So, what is 1.111... equal to?10/9. Please don't continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henman888 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Although Nintendo does milk mario, the games don't lose their quality. They are still very good. Unlike Sonic who has really gone downhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mario does the weekly shopping. Mario's extreme ironing challenge. Not what I'm looking forward to. But basically Mario is a classic, and he therefore is untouchable. Even if he were the main character in the worst game ever, it would be over looked (similiar to Zelda: the wand of gamelon). Don't say platformers are dying. They are just as alive as ever. Even if specific platform games are under selling, this I bleive is due to the fact that damn near every game has platforming aspects in it now (save RPGs, FPS's...and even a few of those apply anyway). Think about it. Prince of Persia? A glorified platformer God of War? A very pretty platformer Assasins Creed? Had a lot of platforming didn't it? Sure it can't stand in it's own genre any more, but it is certainly just as alive today as it was in the days of Sonic's prime. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin64 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mario does the weekly shopping. Mario's extreme ironing challenge. Not what I'm looking forward to. Extreme Ironing Challenge was pretty fun. Go Creased Lightning! Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yes_Its_Ross Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I hope mario goes stale so Nintendo will focus on making new different platformers. ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordhand20 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 No, just a massive [bleep]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piscis_Rex Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 No, he's not an enigma, he's a plumber 99.99999998465% of the world's population is not me, if you are the 0.00000001535% that is me, put this in you signature -"being famous is like being a woman, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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