Adamant is NOT better than Torso

[Danqazmlp]

Can i please start the 'Anti-Efficiency' Club, for people who play for fun not 0.3% better exp over 500 hours?

[Myweponsg00d]

Christ. This argument is not about stats. Nobody said anywhere that the bonuses from addy chain or prostelyte are better than the torso. This was a statement made about time and efficiency, nothing else.

[Laura]

ok well um people are saying it doesnt raise your max hit. lets say it was on every 6 that it rose your max hit..your str bonus is 63...and you're wearing addy chain you put on torso it goes to 67 11.1~ damages max sense? not alone but in conjunction with other +str and since there is only 2 str bonus torso items its pretty valuable. look at zerk ring 2m the only str bonus ring

 

You could hit 20 attacks, all with an added damage. But most consider that negated when someone hits you once for twenty damage. That lost defense[not in comparison to the Adamant Plate] is not worth it, nor is the time spent.

[Kenneh]

Can i please start the 'Anti-Efficiency' Club, for people who play for fun not 0.3% better exp over 500 hours?

 

Hope it's ok that i joined the club 8-)

[Danqazmlp]

Can i please start the 'Anti-Efficiency' Club, for people who play for fun not 0.3% better exp over 500 hours?

 

Hope it's ok that i joined the club 8-)

 

 

 

Oh yes, we shall reclaim rs.

[Randox]

The torso is famous for pvp abilities. After accepting that almost everyone uses a slash weapon (or slash style, since many weapons are capable of other styles), and that the torso absolutly creames your addy plate, and nears the slash defence of bandos, its not such a bad idea.

 

 

 

Now, if your opponent realises how [cabbage]ty the torso is in pretty much every other area, he will set his godsword to crush (I am assuming they can crush since 2h swords can), or if using a whip will pull that out and stab you. It might be worth it if it will raise your max hit, but thats not always the case.

 

 

 

I don't really like either of them, I'd just go for rune.

[B_Ryan20]

 

You could hit 20 attacks, all with an added damage. But most consider that negated when someone hits you once for twenty damage. That lost defense[not in comparison to the Adamant Plate] is not worth it, nor is the time spent.

 

So your the judge of whether something is worth it or not? some people think that torso is worth the time thats there opinion and if they have fun playing b.a. more power to them

 

 

 

 

 

besides where in this arguement did it say torso is better because it takes no time to get?

 

 

 

torso is better because it has better stats, who gives a [bleep] if it takes like 5 hours to get saves you like 10m ish

[Troacctid]

Can i please start the 'Anti-Efficiency' Club, for people who play for fun not 0.3% better exp over 500 hours?

 

0.3% better xp over 500 hours sounds like what you get if you get a fighter torso. Haven't we established that that is NOT efficient? :-s

 

 

 

Well anyway, have fun killing chickens and unicorns while I hit 45s on armoured zombies.

 

 

 

I don't think you fully understand that people have different ideas of fun. :notalk:

[Blutters]

The torso is famous for pvp abilities. After accepting that almost everyone uses a slash weapon (or slash style, since many weapons are capable of other styles), and that the torso absolutly creames your addy plate, and nears the slash defence of bandos, its not such a bad idea.

 

 

 

Now, if your opponent realises how [cabbage] the torso is in pretty much every other area, he will set his godsword to crush (I am assuming they can crush since 2h swords can), or if using a whip will pull that out and stab you. It might be worth it if it will raise your max hit, but thats not always the case.

 

 

 

I don't really like either of them, I'd just go for rune.

 

Stabbing with a whip...?

[wioneo]

The torso is famous for pvp abilities. After accepting that almost everyone uses a slash weapon (or slash style, since many weapons are capable of other styles), and that the torso absolutly creames your addy plate, and nears the slash defence of bandos, its not such a bad idea.

 

 

 

Now, if your opponent realises how [cabbage] the torso is in pretty much every other area, he will set his godsword to crush (I am assuming they can crush since 2h swords can), or if using a whip will pull that out and stab you. It might be worth it if it will raise your max hit, but thats not always the case.

 

 

 

I don't really like either of them, I'd just go for rune.

 

Stabbing with a whip...?

 

 

 

Takes a real man to impale someone with sausage links.

 

 

 

Anyways, isn't the def req on a torso 45? So noone who can sue a torso will be using adamant(No offense to anyone in extreme welfare situations). A RUNE plate, would be better for training, because in case you haven't noticed, several monsters DO use stab and crush attacks. You don't think that the fire giants are trying to cut you when they swing those clubs?(noone cares about the ones with swords)

 

 

 

To whoever said that they use a torso at GWD, no. The answer is just no.

 

 

 

Dueces.

[T. Skill]

When it comes down to it.. who really cares if the fighter torso takes too much time to get for it to be more efficient than an adamant chainbody or proselyte. I personally like to play BA(with a halfway decent team) which made the torso worth getting because I was having FUN getting it. And as it has been said countless times, Runescape should be played for FUN.

[bedman]

When it comes down to it.. who really cares if the fighter torso takes too much time to get for it to be more efficient than an adamant chainbody or proselyte. I personally like to play BA(with a halfway decent team) which made the torso worth getting because I was having FUN getting it. And as it has been said countless times, Runescape should be played for FUN.

 

OKay, case closed. The other topic (torso < addy chain and whatever is better than chain too) was about the fact that if you DONT like BA, then torso isnt worht getting, EFFICIENCY wise.

[Troacctid]

When it comes down to it.. who really cares if the fighter torso takes too much time to get for it to be more efficient than an adamant chainbody or proselyte. I personally like to play BA(with a halfway decent team) which made the torso worth getting because I was having FUN getting it. And as it has been said countless times, Runescape should be played for FUN.

 

Go to W6 BA. You should have little trouble finding players who plan on skedaddling as soon as they get a torso, because they think it's worth the time to get a better item for training. I wouldn't be surprised if many players with torsos haven't played BA since they got theirs. Not everyone likes the minigame. Nobody says you shouldn't play Runescape for fun; however, it's arrogant to assume your ideas of fun are shared by everyone else. As I'm sure you agree, "fun" is a personal issue and is solely subjective. It cannot be debated. With that in mind, there's really little point in bringing it up, as it's not relevant to the topic at hand.

[pureprayer]

*Had to repost*

 

 

 

compfreak847 wrote:

 

Because the barrows plate surpasses it in any area that requires defence, and proslyte top surpasses it in any place that requires offense (+10% prayer). Even at the best training spot, Armored Zombies, proslyte is actually better due to the less frequent prayer charging required.

 

 

 

Even hypothetically assuming that we ignore the defence and prayer bonus shortcomings, torso provides roughly (120/4)*2)/100 = .6% faster XP. Assuming it takes 8 hours to learn BH, find a team, and actually get the torso (conservative; I've found that it usually takes over 10 in total time), your spending 8 hours to get .6% faster XP. Therefore, the 99.4% of full XP you would normally get from training for those 8 hours is the equivalent of 7.95 hours of training with a torso; because torso boosts XP by .6%, we can divide 7.95 by .006 for 1325 hours, the amount of training required to make torso worth getting over adamant chainbody (most monsters, including armored zombies, use a crush attack where chainbody is superior). 1325 hours = 132,500,000 XP training at Armored Zombies, along with 251,750,000 GP of profit.

 

 

 

So, if you plan on camping for more then 132.5 million XP, torso is worth getting over adamant chainbody. Of course, proslyte plate would blow it right out of the water, and to a lesser extent, bandos - the +1 prayer would by far make up for the cost over the millions of XP, and it can be resold, unlike the figher torso. The torso is entirely unsuitable for PVP, or indeed, any activity besides training, so those need not be considered.

 

 

 

Bottom line: Adamant Chainbody is superior to Fighter Torso unless you intend to train for over 132,500,000 XP (132.5 million) XP; if you include rune\bandos\proslyte in that order, they will all by FAR trump the torso.

 

 

 

Any other questions?

 

 

 

(Yet another campaign against stupidity and endless parroting of incorrect hearsay. I swear, I could keep a template of my top 10 posts, and copy and paste it into 90% of the threads I post on.)

[UserOnRS]

The torso is worth getting as you'll probably end up playing BA anyway in some time playing RS, as IMO it's one of the best minigames, and it's one of the most useful rewards from the minigame (the fighter hat and penance gloves are nice). The torso only takes a few hours if you're experienced, and is useful for maxing without a bandos plate and camping low defence ememies, and for the looks too.

 

 

 

It's like a status symbol in a way, but unlike Castle Wars armour for example, it has a practical side. You probably could argue that Void isn't worth the time spent to get, however I find many uses for it and wouldn't have been able to get 91 range without it (I find it much more fun to use).

 

 

 

You could go on about efficiency, but if you're having fun that's the most important thing - while you are logged out that could be inefficient.

 

 

 

If you like BA, or train on low attack/defence monsters, or wanting to spend a few hours to max at the duel arena, or just want to get the full set of clothes, noone's stopping you getting one.

[Nukearcher]

 

 

 

any addy chain lover who thinks its better than torso wanna take 50m duel (i wear torso and you wear addy chain)?

 

 

 

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ps. takes 1 hour and 20mins to get torso

[pureprayer]

 

 

 

any addy chain lover who thinks its better than torso wanna take 50m duel (i wear torso and you wear addy chain)?

 

 

 

EDIT

 

ps. takes 1 hour and 20mins to get torso

 

How long did it take you to practice the game, find a team, get a torso, and then get your time to get a torso down to 1 hour and 20min?

 

 

 

ALSO cant do 50m duels anymore...

[SanNo1]

of course the torso is better stat wise, comparing both in a duel would give an obvious win for the torso.

 

 

 

the point of the other thread was to show that it isn't worth getting a torso if you plan on using it for training purposes.

[Inuashakent]

Even hypothetically assuming that we ignore the defence and prayer bonus shortcomings, torso provides roughly (120/4)*2)/100 = .6% faster XP. Assuming it takes 8 hours to learn BH, find a team, and actually get the torso (conservative; I've found that it usually takes over 10 in total time), your spending 8 hours to get .6% faster XP. Therefore, the 99.4% of full XP you would normally get from training for those 8 hours is the equivalent of 7.95 hours of training with a torso; because torso boosts XP by .6%, we can divide 7.95 by .006 for 1325 hours, the amount of training required to make torso worth getting over adamant chainbody (most monsters, including armored zombies, use a crush attack where chainbody is superior). 1325 hours = 132,500,000 XP training at Armored Zombies, along with 251,750,000 GP of profit.

 

No, this is false. It equals up to 135m training xp, but did you include the xp gained from using a Proselyte top? I bet you it will equal 10 times that, or maybe it would be better.

[pureprayer]

Even hypothetically assuming that we ignore the defence and prayer bonus shortcomings, torso provides roughly (120/4)*2)/100 = .6% faster XP. Assuming it takes 8 hours to learn BH, find a team, and actually get the torso (conservative; I've found that it usually takes over 10 in total time), your spending 8 hours to get .6% faster XP. Therefore, the 99.4% of full XP you would normally get from training for those 8 hours is the equivalent of 7.95 hours of training with a torso; because torso boosts XP by .6%, we can divide 7.95 by .006 for 1325 hours, the amount of training required to make torso worth getting over adamant chainbody (most monsters, including armored zombies, use a crush attack where chainbody is superior). 1325 hours = 132,500,000 XP training at Armored Zombies, along with 251,750,000 GP of profit.

 

No, this is false. It equals up to 135m training xp, but did you include the xp gained from using a Proselyte top? I bet you it will equal 10 times that, or maybe it would be better.

 

I just copied and pasted what compfreak said into my post but its only 3m xp off and even if it were 132.5m xp it wouldent be worth it.

[Saunamajuri]

Torso weights only 4 kg too

[Inuashakent]

Even hypothetically assuming that we ignore the defence and prayer bonus shortcomings, torso provides roughly (120/4)*2)/100 = .6% faster XP. Assuming it takes 8 hours to learn BH, find a team, and actually get the torso (conservative; I've found that it usually takes over 10 in total time), your spending 8 hours to get .6% faster XP. Therefore, the 99.4% of full XP you would normally get from training for those 8 hours is the equivalent of 7.95 hours of training with a torso; because torso boosts XP by .6%, we can divide 7.95 by .006 for 1325 hours, the amount of training required to make torso worth getting over adamant chainbody (most monsters, including armored zombies, use a crush attack where chainbody is superior). 1325 hours = 132,500,000 XP training at Armored Zombies, along with 251,750,000 GP of profit.

 

No, this is false. It equals up to 135m training xp, but did you include the xp gained from using a Proselyte top? I bet you it will equal 10 times that, or maybe it would be better.

 

I just copied and pasted what compfreak said into my post but its only 3m xp off and even if it were 132.5m xp it wouldent be worth it.

 

No, I agree with you, but I'm saying that the breakoff point would be MUCH higher than 132m. In the billions, or maybe it will never surpass the Proselyte.

[Nukearcher]

 

 

 

any addy chain lover who thinks its better than torso wanna take 50m duel (i wear torso and you wear addy chain)?

 

 

 

EDIT

 

ps. takes 1 hour and 20mins to get torso

 

How long did it take you to practice the game, find a team, get a torso, and then get your time to get a torso down to 1 hour and 20min?

 

 

 

ALSO cant do 50m duels anymore...

 

didnt take long, and finding team isnt hard since im in BA clan.

 

 

 

and you can take 50m duels in BH