I believe that perspective on any issue is the only way anybody could make any educated decision on it. Which, like our (ex?)-president Bush has proved, many world leaders do not have.

 

 

 

Here's the way I see it with insurgents fighting for their jihad (????.)

 

 

 

But first, the 'lesser' jihad that these people are fighting is, for lack of a better term, a cultural defense. Just like how a bee will sting at an interloper, so it is the same with the Muslims. They must defend their culture.

 

 

 

Now, the 'greater' jihad is a literal definition of 'to struggle (strive) in the way of God'. This is not, by my understanding, a 'war' with which infidels must be cleansed. It is merely a way to come closer to God. Whether this Allah exists or not is not a discussion here.

 

 

 

But, I digress. For all intents and purposes, the Muslims are fighting for the preservation of culture. Americans have been quick to dismiss the actions of these insurgent 'jihadists' as radical, violent, and unprovoked. I, personally, see this as a very ignorant statement. It is akin to saying thus, that it is in fact truth that, since these Muslims of an age old empire are refusing to submit to our own Western beliefs, that of the remarkably new American nation, they are somehow 'evil' in their defense.

 

 

 

There are plenty of documentaries, particularly associating from the West (Religulous, anybody?) that are incredibly offending to all Abrahamic religions (I do hope I spelled that correctly) such as Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, and have understandably inflammatory remarks that were bound to illicit such a violent reaction from at least one of these groups.

 

 

 

That is exactly what these Islamic radicals are - defenders of the Arabic culture as we know it.

 

 

 

Here's on the flip side:

 

 

 

Muslims radicals have assaulted, seemingly unprovoked, against western civilization, particularly American and Her associates, such as England, Germany, and, to a lesser extent, northern Europe.

 

 

 

Insurgents have subdued their communities into submission of their often non-religious based agenda, such as that of al-Qaeda, ( ???????,) which is a broadly recognized terrorist organization. Under the guise of religion, al-Qaeda recruits for a seemingly political and power-hungry cause.

 

 

 

I, personally, am well torn on the issue. But I want to hear the input of y'all at Tip.It. Are the Muslims justified in their jihad? Or are they troublemakers? I want to know!

Taking an innocent life is never justified.

Perhaps the Muslims believe in something bigger than the individual, especially when they see those individuals as aggressors against their very way of life.

Anything with 'ism' attached to it is generally not good.

Everyone should have a right to free speech, of all kinds, even things I disagree with.

 

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it, as Voltaire said.

 

 

 

Muslims are unjustified in their actions, and moderate muslims who do not stand up against the radicals are implicitly allowing this behavior. There are some great quotes of the fundamental hypocrisy in Bill Maher's Religulous; Muslims want the rights of free speech afforded by liberal societies, but don't allow this free speech used against them. People using religion as a shield to deny freedom of speech are abhorrent to me; free, uncensored speech is the only way to achieve things in our society.

Anything with 'ism' attached to it is generally not good.

 

No, Mr. Froman. I expect you to

 

 

 

SELL SAUSAGE AT RIDICULOUSLY LOW PRICES!

 

 

 

But, yeah, I ain't much for isms. Particularly radicalisms.

Is that like, a porno line, Len? o.O

 

 

 

Anywho, I'm not going either way in this debate. Too sensitive, I feel. Especially since everybody I've seen has been against the radicalism.

 

 

 

But I don't really think the Muslims want that freedom of speech. In fact, it looks like they're fighting pretty damn hard against it. :|

 

 

 

And freedom of speech is general is...it's mixed for me. On the upside, opinion gets out, and that's good. People should largely be allowed to speak what they think. But on the downside, the most negative, ignorant crap also gets out, too. At that point, whatever side wins becomes the new societal cast...what if the ignorant side wins? Change is nature, and naturally that change will occur, and that side will win. Eventually. Do we want a future like that? I am, once again, torn.

It's a very simple answer for me: the brand of Radicalism that sees people strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent people are never justified in their actions, no matter how right they think they are.

 

 

 

We need to learn how to coexist on this planet. Mass extermination of everyone but those of your "tribe" is one of the most abhorrent things I can think of.

Radicalism of any sense is usually very, very bad.

Everyone should have a right to free speech, of all kinds, even things I disagree with.

 

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it, as Voltaire said.

 

 

 

Muslims are unjustified in their actions, and moderate muslims who do not stand up against the radicals are implicitly allowing this behavior. There are some great quotes of the fundamental hypocrisy in Bill Maher's Religulous; Muslims want the rights of free speech afforded by liberal societies, but don't allow this free speech used against them. People using religion as a shield to deny freedom of speech are abhorrent to me; free, uncensored speech is the only way to achieve things in our society.

 

 

 

I believe in limiting hate speech and violent protest in some instances but this is basically my opinion.

 

 

 

Unless you were attacked first killing is almost never justified( i say almost because I know their is an example escaping me right now)

Everyone should have a right to free speech, of all kinds, even things I disagree with.

 

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it, as Voltaire said.

 

 

 

Muslims are unjustified in their actions, and moderate muslims who do not stand up against the radicals are implicitly allowing this behavior. There are some great quotes of the fundamental hypocrisy in Bill Maher's Religulous; Muslims want the rights of free speech afforded by liberal societies, but don't allow this free speech used against them. People using religion as a shield to deny freedom of speech are abhorrent to me; free, uncensored speech is the only way to achieve things in our society.

 

 

 

I believe in limiting hate speech and violent protest in some instances but this is basically my opinion.

 

 

 

Unless you were attacked first killing is almost never justified( i say almost because I know their is an example escaping me right now)

 

 

 

Killing just because your were attacked first (revenge) shouldn't be the way to go either. After all, we did technically invade them 8-) .

Well, these people value their religion above their lives, and seeing attacks on their culture is worse than an attack on their lives.

 

 

 

Maybe they perceived the threat that called for jihad when Russians usurped into Afghanistan? That seems when al-Qaeda was formed.

Is this a serious question? :oops:

Anything with 'ism' attached to it is generally not good.

 

 

 

patriotism, nudism, realism, idealism. everything can be considered bad when taken too far. as for muslim radicalism, i'm leaning towards bad. i can't see how it is good. granted it's not like i've studied it either.

My biological Aunty is married to a man from Seria, he's Muslin and fit's none of the Muslim stereotypes which many seem to put every Muslim into the same bracket, when it's a very small minority who are extremists.

 

 

 

what my uncle said to be is there is a verse in the Quran basically saying anyone who dies protecting the safety of Islam or who dies fighting to spread Islam will live on a higher plain in Paradise, but many extremists misinterpret this as if they go out and blow themselves up they'll live on a higher plain when simply this isn't true.

 

 

 

Most extremists Muslims are disillusioned and taken advantage of. Doremember though that every religion has it's own sickening terrorists groups.

My biological Aunty is married to a man from Seria, he's Muslin and fit's none of the Muslim stereotypes which many seem to put every Muslim into the same bracket, when it's a very small minority who are extremists.

 

 

 

what my uncle said to be is there is a verse in the Quran basically saying anyone who dies protecting the safety of Islam or who dies fighting to spread Islam will live on a higher plain in Paradise, but many extremists misinterpret this as if they go out and blow themselves up they'll live on a higher plain when simply this isn't true.

 

 

 

Most extremists Muslims are disillusioned and taken advantage of. Doremember though that every religion has it's own sickening terrorists groups.

 

 

 

Exactly, the KKK are christians too :ugeek:

^ No, they have absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

I do not think that any kind of radicalism, motivated or not by religion, by anyone at all, is ok. It is not a question of "Innocent lives", but lives in general. No amount of provocation is enough to justify killing someone else, or for that matter, yourself.

Blowing yourself up to kill innocent civillians on a bus is NOT jihad. Defending yourself against infidels who invade you and going out to help brother Muslims is what is called jihad.

 

 

 

As I see it, REAL jihad is justified.

Islam coulda been a real peaceful religion. Mohammed didn't encourage the jihad that followed his death. He couldn't make his followers believe peace was better, so he tried to say that only people defending Islam could go to Paradise. But, I'm sure he knew it was futile. Islam likely would have died out had the Great Jihad not occurred, though. And it's one of the most interesting and least well-known war campaigns in history...

I believe that many extremists misinterpret the message of protecting the religion on Islam. Killing other innocent people aimlessly isn't a divine thing to do in most people's ideals.

It's unfortunate a large minority of Muslims are [bleep]ed up in the head.

^ No, they have absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

I do not think that any kind of radicalism, motivated or not by religion, by anyone at all, is ok. It is not a question of "Innocent lives", but lives in general. No amount of provocation is enough to justify killing someone else, or for that matter, yourself.

 

 

 

Last time I checked, the KKK's goal was to create a White Christian conservative American nation. Pretty sure that it's arguably based on religion then to a certain degree. Do remember for a brief period they also targeted Catholics as well.

 

 

 

It's unfortunate a large minority of Muslims are [bleep] up in the head.

 

 

 

As yes, the typical stereotype of a person who's developed their opinion on what they saw on the news. Can you even count the amount of Muslims you know on one hand?

It's unfortunate a large minority of Muslims are [bleep] up in the head.

 

 

 

As yes, the typical stereotype of a person who's developed their opinion on what they saw on the news. Can you even count the amount of Muslims you know on one hand?

 

 

 

He did say large minority. I think we can agree that there's too many psychopathic Muslims, even if they are a minority.

It's unfortunate a large minority of Muslims are [bleep] up in the head.

 

 

 

As yes, the typical stereotype of a person who's developed their opinion on what they saw on the news. Can you even count the amount of Muslims you know on one hand?

 

 

 

He did say large minority. I think we can agree that there's too many psychopathic Muslims, even if they are a minority.

 

It's not unreasonable to think that the number of people who are easily led (to become extremists, psychopaths, whatever) are of the same density in any religious bracket. It's just that Islam (and Arabic culture) has been provoked to the point that the easily led minority of Muslims are actually being led towards these unjustified beliefs. So, it's not a case of 'too many psychopathic Muslims', it's a case of too many people guiding them in the wrong direction.

 

 

 

Can anybody think of an acceptable justification for killing yourself and other people around you, who have not interacted with you in any way? Not only have the reasons given failed to justify the action, the action is unjustifiable in any scenario.

"Good or Bad? (Justified or Not)"

 

Simply because something is unjustified does not make it "bad," and vice versa.

 

 

 

In the case of any form of radicalism that includes human sacrifice, those who practise it have a severely skewed sense of morals. Their views, while not necessarily "right" or "wrong," are far out of line with the rest of world, and are thus unacceptable.